Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[bridito]

Sort of. The high-end really belongs to IBM.

Granted, but I'm primarily discussing the personal computer arena where IBM has no presence.

I cringed when I read that because it's presence in the article merely serves to communicate to the reader that the author has an ax to grind with AMD for AMD tearing up a roadmap years ago and taking a new approach to bulldozer altogether...a decision that was made for all the right reasons.

The bulldozer that is being delayed in 2011 is nothing at all related to the bulldozer plan that was to be a 45nm product to debut in 2009.

This is akin to someone arguing that because the Chevy Volt was delayed a few months this tied in, somehow, to management decisions going back to Chevy pulling their electric cars off the market in 1921. (I'm just making all this up, just to make a point though)

It is two separate, unrelated, decisions and pathways involved. There is no value added to the new news in that article - possible delay to Q1 2012 - to come from invoking a data point regarding a long-ago cancelled project that held the same project name.

...but it does speak to the intent, motive, and derision the author appears to hold for AMD, in general, and one would be silly to not consider this in weighting the likelihood of the rest of the article coming true.

Fair enough. I certainly don't want to come off as an AMD-basher as I still have one quark of intent to buy BD but it's swiftly diminishing down to superstring level. I do wonder how long it will be until someone puts the soundtrack of Don't Worry Be Happy under Read's initial AMD speech video though!

Such things are dynamic. However, it does give some sense to Dirk Meyer being fired. It was not a clever statement to make, when AMD didn't deliever in 2009.

One could on the other hand reasonably argue that the K10.5 turned out to have a long life. AMD didn't really need to replace it until Q1 2011 when SB came out and AMD lost the ability to compete in mid-end. But hopefully mr. Reads ambitions are a little higher - rumor has it that they are.

Read can be a great guy and a great CEO but nothing is going to change the fact that AMD simply cannot muster the development $ that Intel can as a much bigger company.

 

[Arg Clin]

Read can be a great guy and a great CEO but nothing is going to change the fact that AMD simply cannot muster the development $ that Intel can as a much bigger company.

Certainly true. Still, if it was as simple as that, AMD could just roll over and die right away.

AMD needs to focus on what's importan businesswise.

No matter how strong our (enthusiasts) hearts may beat for the lastest and greatest performance king of cpus, the real money is in the much more moderate computers, typically equipped with integrated gpu. I think AMD has made some smart moves with the development of APUs and BD's module design, that makes some sense in that context.

I'm willing to bet that 9 out of 10 computer buyers care more about noise and heat than they do about game performance or overclocking potential.

 

[Abwx]

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardwa...seurs-bulldozer-sujet_856847_555.htm#t8029265

 

[chihlidog]

I saw this posted on [H] just a few minutes ago.

Now we need some benchmarks!!

 

[Nemesis 1]

This happens every single time there is a lack of competition. Corporations are a collective, and those individuals that make up the collective get lazy when they are not challenged, human nature.

Anyway, I'm sticking to my original prediction that Bulldozer will ship late Q4-2011, real availability late January 2012.

I most certainly would agree with you normally . But not now . Intel is behind in graphics . They have the pedal to the metal . Its that or lose the low end completely to NV.

 

[AtenRa]

sorry didn't refresh

 

[Abwx]

Core stepping is D1 , that makes quite a lot of revisions ,
unless it is a server only related stepping...

 

[classy]

I saw this posted on [H] just a few minutes ago.

Now we need some benchmarks!!

16 Cores, no matter how you slice it, that's pretty slick.

 

[Idontcare]

Is this more to your liking? It even has extra protection for the user. People can add their own text to it as they see fit.

Now that's just pure awesome, that's a Chuck Norris Bulldozer

I'm guessing, going by the covers on the windows, this particular bulldozer is used as a force of evil rather than good?

I think you just found the Rory Read Bulldozer...if there ever was a Predator Bulldozer out there, this is what I imagine it would look like. D:

Core stepping is D1 , that makes quite a lot of revisions ,
unless it is a server only related stepping...

I'm impressed they were able to cycle through that many steppings in such a short period of time, characterization and validation all along. They must be operating at a frenetic pace internally.

 

[AtenRa]

Just for information, the metallic mesh (Slat Armor) around crew cabin is an anti-RPG protection system.

 

[busydude]

Core stepping is D1 , that makes quite a lot of revisions , unless it is a server only related stepping...

That website is pretty obscure.. no listing in resellerrating.

 

[jhu]

Israeli Bulldozer?

 

[grimpr]

Very much, those are definitely Israeli IDF girls.

 

[dakU7]

Yup, that's IDF.

 

[bryanW1995]

Certainly true. Still, if it was as simple as that, AMD could just roll over and die right away.

AMD needs to focus on what's importan businesswise.

No matter how strong our (enthusiasts) hearts may beat for the lastest and greatest performance king of cpus, the real money is in the much more moderate computers, typically equipped with integrated gpu. I think AMD has made some smart moves with the development of APUs and BD's module design, that makes some sense in that context.

I'm willing to bet that 9 out of 10 computer buyers care more about noise and heat than they do about game performance or overclocking potential.

As ABWX showed, the real money is in servers/professional business. Even more so than in gpus due to the much greater volume, though that could change drastically over time.

 

[bryanW1995]

Now that's just pure awesome, that's a Chuck Norris Bulldozer

I don't know if it is or not, but I seriously doubt that it can kill 2 stones with one bird! I am going to quickly get away from you, as I forsee a roundhouse to the chest in your very near future.

 

[jvroig]

Why is it always a front-end loader and never an actual Bulldozer with these graphics?

Now I can forgive the AMD intern (whoever he/she may be) who used that front-end loader toy in John Fruehe's Bulldozer videos. If an active AT member can make the same mistake, I suppose I should find it in my heart to forgive that intern (I hope JF didn't fire the dude or anything, though)

As for the armored bulldozer, I had no idea how big it actually was until I noticed the IDF girls beside it! Whoa.



Is that AMD Opteron vendor page pic legit? What vendor is that, anybody have the site/link?

 

[Cogman]

Did someone say Bench mark?

Don't know why you guys want to see something like this .

 

[JFAMD]

OK, my rules for everyone:

1. No benchmarks that show up before launch will be representative of actual performance
2. No benchmarks that don't come from AMD will also not be representative
3. Anyone selling bulldozer before launch probably does not have it

All of this stuff is a distraction.

 

[jvroig]

Cool. Thanks for the clarification, JF. :thumbsup:

 

[trollolo]

16 cores is a joke. games are just now taking advantage of 4 cores, so the only point in having 16 is so you can run 500 instances of Microsoft word at the same time.

 

[Voo]

16 cores is a joke. games are just now taking advantage of 4 cores, so the only point in having 16 is so you can run 500 instances of Microsoft word at the same time.

[x] Has no clue about server software whatsoever and/or is a troll.

I go with the second one - the name.

 

[jvroig]

16 cores is a joke. games are just now taking advantage of 4 cores, so the only point in having 16 is so you can run 500 instances of Microsoft word at the same time.

It's an Opteron processor. It's not for your computer playing games. It's for our servers running our business.



EDIT: Seems Voo beat me to it by mere seconds. Darn the velocity gods on your side, Voo!

 

[Vesku]

16 cores is a joke. games are just now taking advantage of 4 cores, so the only point in having 16 is so you can run 500 instances of Microsoft word at the same time.

Some people do more than play games and see how many instances of MS Word they can run. Heck the "you only need a really fast dual-core" crowd has only recently started to quiet down. Just think with 8 cores and 8GB of RAM users can get months of extra time before they have to get their machines cleaned of all the crapware they inevitably accumulate. We should be demanding more cores simply to offer some relief to those foolish PC enthusiasts that have yet to cut off family and friends from tech support help.

 

[chihlidog]

OK, my rules for everyone:

1. No benchmarks that show up before launch will be representative of actual performance
2. No benchmarks that don't come from AMD will also not be representative
3. Anyone selling bulldozer before launch probably does not have it

All of this stuff is a distraction.

Was the second one an intentional double negative? Im guessing not, but hey one never knows. You marketing types are crafty.

Can you give us an indication of how likely desktop BD is to be released on or about September 19?