Taking on nVidia hasn't really worked for them either.
I suppose it's possible but OEMs aren't going to be interested in that. You have to realize that if AMD actually wants to make money, it's through OEM deals.
I do not. AMD cannot and does not have the resources to take on Intel. If anything, they should have been trying to take on Nvidia.
Do you think AMD is unable to offer great (dGPU) bundle deals for Zen 4C/8T parts that will go head on with Skylake 4C/8T?
I do not. AMD cannot and does not have the resources to take on Intel. If anything, they should have been trying to take on Nvidia.
Taking on nVidia hasn't really worked for them either.
Well, the situation is a lot like the 1980 US Olympic hockey team - and AMD needs a win just as badly, even though the odds are really stacked against them. I don't fault AMD for going out swinging - then again, I don't own any AMD stock.
"Better process" on what metrics?
Be very careful there as a more advanced process may not clock as high as an older high performance process. Case in point intel 32nm vs. 22 nm.
"Better process" on what metrics?
Be very careful there as a more advanced process may not clock as high as an older high performance process. Case in point intel 32nm vs. 22 nm.
AMD isn't out there swinging but backtracking. All their AMD strategy went to the way of the dodo.
Or Intel s 22nm vs 14nm...
Case in point is that their 14nm process require 1.1V at 3.1GHz, i m curious to see how their future 4C/8T part fare in this respect, if anything the 95W TDP is an indication that these will be hot chips with efficency possibly no better, or even worse, than Haswell set apart for the GPU...
In this respect Samsung s 14nm should be enough provided it s just as good as a theorical shrink of GF 32nm to 14nm...
The fact that planar 20nm turned out to be a great disappointment (something Intel knew would be the case well in advance); really put a huge dent in AMD's CPU & GPU plans. I'm fairly positive that the big reshuffle comes down to this, somewhat tragic, problem. The time, money and manpower wasted on 20nm CPU & GPU designs is really bad news for AMD.
So, while I don't see it exactly the same way as you, the dog & pony show on Analyst day does appear to be designed to cover up this reality.
I had to double check. This is an AMD thread.
The fact that planar 20nm turned out to be a great disappointment (something Intel knew would be the case well in advance); really put a huge dent in AMD's CPU & GPU plans. I'm fairly positive that the big reshuffle comes down to this, somewhat tragic, problem. The time, money and manpower wasted on 20nm CPU & GPU designs is really bad news for AMD.
So, while I don't see it exactly the same way as you, the dog & pony show on Analyst day does appear to be designed to cover up this reality.
The is the result of Reed's doings. I'm glad Su is running a different game plan.
I guess that the FX selling quite well thoses two past years is indicative that there s a market for moderatly priced high perfs DT SKUs, depending on the process cost we could see FX8350 equivalents at about the same prices while the 8C/16T parts should be significantly below Intel s usual 500-600$ price tags.
What did we learn beside 40% ipc gain?
Nothing except that it's the usual core with (now) minuscule gains, still better than what AMD's done since BD but the latter had this distinct disadvantage of being stuck on 32nm for almost half a decade now.Do we know more about Zen than we do intel's next gen?
Do we know more about Zen than we do intel's next gen?
Well, the situation is a lot like the 1980 US Olympic hockey team - and AMD needs a win just as badly, even though the odds are really stacked against them. I don't fault AMD for going out swinging - then again, I don't own any AMD stock.
Not even close. We know skylakes core count and clock speeds due to leaks. We also know its launch month.
But its obviously an unfair comparison. Skylake is 3 months away and Zen is probably 18 months out.
I dont fault them for going out swinging, but I definitely question the way they are doing it.
They are going away from their area of expertise (APUs) just when HBM finally had a chance to really make the igp powerful enough to be a compelling purchase decision. And what about HSA? Why would a developer commit resources to HSA when AMD's only chip on their touted new architecture has no igpu? I thought even in servers HSA and microservers was supposed to be the magic sauce that would give them back marketshare. A major tenet of business planning is to concentrate on your own strengths and attack your competitor's weakest point. This is just the opposite, abandoning your greatest area of expertise (one the you paid 5 billion dollars for) and attacking the giant at their strongest point. This roadmap really does show that those who said AMD would be limited by their small research budget were in fact correct and not just picking on poor AMD.
So nothing official then? That's what I thought.
So your question really was " Does AMD spend more time talking about Zen then Intel spends talking about Skylake?"?
I think the answer to that is obvious
Yea, I wonder what the internal assessments were for ipc and clockspeed for bulldozer.
One thing I will say though, is that the AMD fans never give up. First it was going to be a zen apu plus HBM that would destroy intel. Now that that is delayed to who knows when, Zen has suddenly become a server monster. Like I said several pages ago , it just amazes me that AMD abandoned the only area they have a lead over intel (igpu performance) to concentrate on going head to head with them in their (intel's) strongest segment. I guess at least if you have only 1.5% of the market and you make any kind of gains at all you can advertise a huge increase in sales. I mean if they go to 5%, that is a 300+ percent increase. That would sure look good on marketing slides.
Anyway, maybe they will pull it off, anything is possible. Just seems like with HBM apus and hopefully better cpu performance from Zen they would have had a much better chance to make significant gains.
Nope, it's why would anyone expect AMD to reveal more about an architecture that is a year away, than intel which has revealed nothing about their next chip that is 3 months away.
Or GF's 32nm vs. 28nm.
He's talking about the Zen based FX series.Where did you see anything AMD said about abandoning the iGPUs ???
That was a regression not a better process than the 32nm SOI.
Yes, but given the damage done by the 20nm debacle, one has to wonder if AMD has the cash to execute on the business plan they just outlined. FWIW, I think Su needs to let go of ARM and semi-custom (except, obviously, console APUs).
I really hadn't thought through the pickle that AMD is _still_ in until MRMT's comments a few posts up.