guys, there are still like 350 million desktops sold every year, while chipmakers are focusing off IPC it doesnt necessarily mean that they dont want to sell desktop chips
tablets are on the boom right now yet users still own desktops too
They order in batches, but they do not order all CPUs they intend to sell of a particular type in a single order. If the OEMs do not sell as much as expected, there will fewer or no re-orders. Hence Intel's unused 14 nm capacity situation could still occur, because those 14 nm fabs will already have been built.OEMs order CPUs in advance, not day to day like you do in a shop.
They order in batches, but they do not order all CPUs they intend to sell of a particular type in a single order. If the OEMs do not sell as much as expected, there will fewer or no re-orders. Hence Intel's unused 14 nm capacity situation could still occur, because those 14 nm fabs will already have been built.
There is simply less reason to + they are not 'this sexy thing' but something 'normal / taken for granted'. Decline will stop eventually at some point and it will be smaller but still respectable market size. Consumers simply wait longer before they change desktops / desktop CPUs, so those product will have to have longer product cycles.There are around 350 million PCs sold every year, not desktops.
I would guess around 100-125million of those are desktops and declining fast.
There is simply less reason to + they are not 'this sexy thing' but something 'normal / taken for granted'. Decline will stop eventually at some point and it will be smaller but still respectable market size. Consumers simply wait longer before they change desktops / desktop CPUs, so those product will have to have longer product cycles.
Then dekstop market will stablizie again, and if mITX and NUCs will gain some momentum it may even have some small to moderate growth again.
Hehe, end product as a whole is desktop though and besides you know that where mobile end and desktop start is kind of imaginary line.NUCs for example is laptop chips.
How do you mean? Intel would blow up some of the 14 nm factories they've already built? Or design a new line of 14 nm desktop CPUs within a couple of months?Still plenty of time for the chain to adapt.
Looking at the track record over the last couple of years, every time Intel has claimed they are just about to become a relevant player in the mobile phone & tablet segment. So far it has not happened. ARM dominates it. And Intel betting all in with their 14 nm facilities on becoming relevant is a huge gamble. They clearly risk ending up sitting with unused 14 nm capacity. Well, they could of course use the spare capacity for their foundry business... perhaps using it to produce ARM based chips for OEMs...Maybe you should ask what happens to certain ARM licensed companies, if they cant sell as many chips. :awe:
How do you mean? Intel would blow up some of the 14 nm factories they've already built? Or design a new line of 14 nm desktop CPUs within a couple of months?
Looking at the track record over the last couple of years, every time Intel has claimed they are just about to become a relevant player in the mobile phone & tablet segment. So far it has not happened. ARM dominates it. And Intel betting all in with their 14 nm facilities on becoming relevant is a huge gamble. They clearly risk ending up sitting with unused 14 nm capacity. Well, they could of course use the spare capacity for their foundry business... perhaps using it to produce ARM based chips for OEMs...
Even if we imagine Airmont fails, even tho Silvermont is already a huge success with OEMs.
All major OEMs goes BT for tablets, even Samsung. ARM already failed in RT vs x86 Windows segment and all OEMs simply waited for BT.
BT doesn't support Android ATM, that's why there are no BT Android tablets.
BT doesn't support Android ATM, that's why there are no BT Android tablets.
But still, they must have reserved 14 nm capacity for CPUs intended for mobile phones and tablets. Now if that push into the tablet / mobile phone space fails Intel will be sitting on unused 14 nm capacity, right? Or do you think they suddenly will re-arrange their launch plans completely and introduce a so far unplanned line of Broadwell desktop CPUs in a couple of months time to make use of such unused 14 nm capacity?
o rly?
Intel had BT android tablets at IDF for people to use. The software stack isn't ready yet so they will launch after the windows tablets.
Even if your assertion was true, your conclusion would be just as bogus. Windows tablets can(and will) grow in marketshare in 2014.
There are around 350 million PCs sold every year, not desktops.
I would guess around 100-125million of those are desktops and declining fast.
Yeah, and reviewers said that those were not usable. So you can expect BT Android for the next iteration.
Don't think so. Windows apps for touch devices just suck, most of them are dead when they're not cheap clones and the amount of them is way lower than Android or iOS.
http://betanews.com/2013/08/29/most-ios-and-windows-phone-apps-are-dead/
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Don't think so. Windows apps for touch devices just suck, most of them are dead when they're not cheap clones and the amount of them is way lower than Android or iOS.
http://betanews.com/2013/08/29/most-ios-and-windows-phone-apps-are-dead/
misinformation in 2 posts in a row.
That article is about the windows phone store. Not that the number of abandoned apps has any indication on the future direction of store.
There is simply less reason to + they are not 'this sexy thing' but something 'normal / taken for granted'. Decline will stop eventually at some point and it will be smaller but still respectable market size. Consumers simply wait longer before they change desktops / desktop CPUs, so those product will have to have longer product cycles.
Then dekstop market will stablizie again, and if mITX and NUCs will gain some momentum it may even have some small to moderate growth again.
I agree. I work in a research lab in a major university doing a large population study. For us, and almost every other lab I know about, a desktop is still the most cost efficient solution and allows much better productivity than a laptop because of a better keyboard, mouse, and large monitors for manipulating data.
Unfortunately for the PC makers, all our computers are E8400 and earlier and still perform quite adequately. If we upgrade it is usually just a better monitor or a second monitor for dual monitor use. Eventually though, I assume we will upgrade to more modern computers, but a desktop is still far and away the best solution.
That's the point. Windows Phone is way more successful than Windows for tablets and it still suck big time. BTW having separate stores tells a lot about Microsoft management.