Full House vote on impeachment inquiry rules to be held Thursday

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Jhhnn

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I share this opinion.

Really Dems, you don't have a candidate and a way to beat him at the ballot booth? Apparently not, hence this. This whole debacle is just weak sauce by those who know they are already defeated. A lot of America will see it that way too. He may be impeached in the house, but he won't get removed and will be acquitted in the Senate. Please go for it and I'll laugh at the ham handed foolishness that went down, netting nothing but wasted time and resulting in a two term presidency for Trump. I'm saying this and I don't like the guy, but I can see. This will be politically fatal for Democrats. The better option would have been having a candidate that could win.

That's a truly nasty hit piece. Trump's conduct demands impeachment, plain & simple. Not just for this, but for all of it, for the sake of America. He's destroying us. And the GOP is letting him, lying every inch of the way because he gives them what they want, more winning at top down class warfare.
 

interchange

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Hey guys how about we make impeachment something that the House pursues when evidence surfaces that a President commits offenses which violate his duty to America? How about they do that duty solemnly regardless of party affiliation? How about the President get a fair trial in the Senate if impeached where all Senators collaborate to decide if the President is guilty? How about we do this because it's about a President representing America and forget what party anyone is in?
 

Puffnstuff

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I wonder how long it will be before Dumb Donnie lashes out in a tweet storm rage....and how long it takes the republicans to stand behind it?
 

Cogman

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I share this opinion.

Really Dems, you don't have a candidate and a way to beat him at the ballot booth? Apparently not, hence this. This whole debacle is just weak sauce by those who know they are already defeated. A lot of America will see it that way too. He may be impeached in the house, but he won't get removed and will be acquitted in the Senate. Please go for it and I'll laugh at the ham handed foolishness that went down, netting nothing but wasted time and resulting in a two term presidency for Trump. I'm saying this and I don't like the guy, but I can see. This will be politically fatal for Democrats. The better option would have been having a candidate that could win.

To cry "partisan hackery" and "the solemnity of the process" is rich coming from a member of the party that decided to impeach a president over a blowjob. A party who started an impeachment inquiry over rumors of sexual impropriety and ultimately drafted impeachment documents based on crimes committed during the investigation. The be clear, Clinton did nothing to justify an investigation.

So, excuse me if I don't share the same opinion. America didn't either. Everything that trump is claiming right now actually happened to clinton.

Trump has actually committed crimes. The fact that the senate won't convict doesn't matter. It is the duty of congress to impeach him.

The Mueller report details 10 counts of obstruction.

This Ukraine scandal has MULTIPLE witnesses to the fact that Trump bribed a foreign leader to interfere with with US elections (investigating a political opponents son to gain US aid.)

Even the act of withholding aid was an overreach on Trumps part. Congress, who controls the purse, had already authorized the aid. Trump had no right to hold it back in the first place (yet another crime).

Were this a lawsuit about Trump's affairs (Stormy Daniels) you might have a point. But that isn't even close to what this impeachment is about.
 

ewdotson

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Why, because it's the truth? Sometimes truth looks stupid, especially when one is vehemently against it and comfortable that the outcome will be different.
No, because it's stupid. The best evidence is that Trump has literally been doing exactly the crap that the founding fathers put impeachment into the Constitution o address. The op-ed is farcical and in no way based on reality.

(Cf. those wild and crazy liberals over at the Federalist Society. While there is some room for interpretation, the clearest definition of "high misdemeanors" is breached of fiduciary trust.


There is very clear evidence that Trump is guilty of rather a lot of that.)
 
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zzyzxroad

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I share this opinion.

Really Dems, you don't have a candidate and a way to beat him at the ballot booth? Apparently not, hence this. This whole debacle is just weak sauce by those who know they are already defeated. A lot of America will see it that way too. He may be impeached in the house, but he won't get removed and will be acquitted in the Senate. Please go for it and I'll laugh at the ham handed foolishness that went down, netting nothing but wasted time and resulting in a two term presidency for Trump. I'm saying this and I don't like the guy, but I can see. This will be politically fatal for Democrats. The better option would have been having a candidate that could win.

So perfect call?
 

ewdotson

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More fun quotes from the *actual* founding fathers regarding impeachment:

Mason, Madison, and Randolph all spoke up to defend impeachment on July 20, after Charles Pinckney of South Carolina and Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania moved to strike it. “[If the president] should be re-elected, that will be sufficient proof of his innocence,” Morris argued. “[Impeachment] will render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach.”

“Shall any man be above justice?” Mason asked. “Shall that man be above it who can commit the most extensive injustice?” A presidential candidate might bribe the electors to gain the presidency, Mason suggested. “Shall the man who has practiced corruption, and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment by repeating his guilt?”

Madison argued that the Constitution needed a provision “for defending the community against the incapacity, negligence, or perfidy of the Chief Magistrate.” Waiting to vote him out of office in a general election wasn’t good enough. “He might pervert his administration into a scheme of peculation”— embezzlement—“or oppression,” Madison warned. “He might betray his trust to foreign powers.”

I feel pretty comfortable that many of the founding fathers would be *perfectly* find with Trump facing an impeachment inquiry.
 

pcgeek11

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Impeachment is not about partisan politics. Why not condemn Republicans?


It shouldn't be.

You asked me who the "they" was in my response above. So I answered you with an honest reply.

Many of the Democrats have been saying for 2 years that they have all they need to impeach Trump. Yet they sit on their hands until now.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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It shouldn't be.

You asked me who the "they" was in my response above. So I answered you with an honest reply.

Many of the Democrats have been saying for 2 years that they have all they need to impeach Trump. Yet they sit on their hands until now.

until now, when they have reams of evidence and even chuds are having a hard time defending piss baby.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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So to be clear do you think asking foreign governments to investigate your domestic political enemies is not an impeachable offense?


I do not think what happened on the phone with the Ukraine is impeachable w/respect to the phone transcripts.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Something about he hasn’t been charged with a high crime or misdemeanors so he shouldn’t/can’t be impeached. Just ignore the DoJ’s position that a sitting president can’t be charged with anything or Trump’s legal argument that he can’t even be investigated by anyone for anything.

I've never said anything like that.

That was a worthless post.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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It shouldn't be.

You asked me who the "they" was in my response above. So I answered you with an honest reply.

Many of the Democrats have been saying for 2 years that they have all they need to impeach Trump. Yet they sit on their hands until now.
Did it occur to you the entirely different standards of evidence needed to convict the bloated orange white guy dictated waiting to vote until he virtually impeached himself??
 

fskimospy

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I do not think what happened on the phone with the Ukraine is impeachable w/respect to the phone transcripts.

Are you claiming that Trump did not request that Ukraine investigate his political opponents or that it was fine for him to do so?
 

JSt0rm

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Are you claiming that Trump did not request that Ukraine investigate his political opponents or that it was fine for him to do so?

"ukraine didn't realize they were being extorted so it isn't a crime"
"we do crimes all the time so it doesn't matter"
"trump is too dumb to know his crimes are crimes so there's no corrupt intent"
"all foreign policy is quid pro quo therefore trump did nothing wrong"
"democrats aren't impeaching properly"
"democrats asking israel to treat palestinians better is the same thing"
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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I do not think what happened on the phone with the Ukraine is impeachable w/respect to the phone transcripts.

It is illegal for a political campaign to solicit anything of value (like dirt on a political opponent) from a foreign govt, let alone extort it. Trump DGAF about corruption in Ukraine other than to exploit it & have them drum up some bullshit about the Bidens. Rudy was his front man in Ukraine serving that purpose for months prior to the phone call.
 

zzyzxroad

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I do not think what happened on the phone with the Ukraine is impeachable w/respect to the phone transcripts.

I'd argue you are wrong. That call was the opposite of perfect based only on the WH realease. It is at an absolute minimum enough that everyone should be compelled to look into this administration.

If you disagree can you at least offer up a no fraud guarantee?
 
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