Full House vote on impeachment inquiry rules to be held Thursday

[fskimospy]

I will be routing for the next President to use the same power to shit on opponents.
I look forward to it.
Just imagine the MAGA guys rage if Obama said to any other country. “I’m hearing Donald Trump has all sorts of shady deals and I’m hearing some of his guys may have real close ties to Russia”

Yes, does anyone seriously doubt that if Obama had wanted to use the US government to get dirt on Donald Trump he couldn't have found mountains of it?

This is the thing I never get about the weird Republican 2016 conspiracy theories. Apparently Obama weaponized the federal government to dig up dirt on Trump and then just decided not to use it in the election?

 

[woolfe9998]

What parts of the resolution do you think indicate that the process is nothing more than a political take down? Please cite them specifically.

It isn't a "think." It's a "feel." Feels can't be put into words.

 

[thilanliyan]

Have you even read the resolution? If anyone had doubts about the Democrat's impeachment process being nothing more than a political taken down, the resolution erased that. They have openly campaigned for impeachment since 11/9/2016.

Any thoughts on the actual substance of the allegations?

 

[interchange]

What parts of the resolution do you think indicate that the process is nothing more than a political take down? Please cite them specifically.

I was going to ask the same thing, possibly word for word same.

 

[z1ggy]

I have to agree with David Pakman on the whole issue. Even if Dems officially vote to impeach, Trump will never ever in a million billion years be convicted in the Senate. Then, he'll go touring and campaigning around the country, with "proof" via the non conviction that the Witch Hunt was all fake news, he's the bestest and most wisest, doing such cool and legal stuff.

The only thing I can think of is this is a giant conspiracy to somehow keep Bernie out of office because they are worried he'll ruin all the big paychecks most of our congress gets from big corps, whether it's R or D.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I have to agree with David Pakman on the whole issue. Even if Dems officially vote to impeach, Trump will never ever in a million billion years be convicted in the Senate. Then, he'll go touring and campaigning around the country, with "proof" via the non conviction that the Witch Hunt was all fake news, he's the bestest and most wisest, doing such cool and legal stuff.

The only thing I can think of is this is a giant conspiracy to somehow keep Bernie out of office because they are worried he'll ruin all the big paychecks most of our congress gets from big corps, whether it's R or D.

You must have very long arms....

 

[fskimospy]

I have to agree with David Pakman on the whole issue. Even if Dems officially vote to impeach, Trump will never ever in a million billion years be convicted in the Senate. Then, he'll go touring and campaigning around the country, with "proof" via the non conviction that the Witch Hunt was all fake news, he's the bestest and most wisest, doing such cool and legal stuff.

I agree it is extremely unlikely Trump will be convicted. That being said Trump was going to do exactly what you describe anyway so I don't see how it matters. I suspect the long term results of it are probably pretty small but overall damage Trump. The idea that you can have months of headlines displaying how you're a criminal is a net positive because you can claim vindication later is a bit of a stretch.

I mean do you think OJ's reputation was improved by his trial even though he was acquitted?

The only thing I can think of is this is a giant conspiracy to somehow keep Bernie out of office because they are worried he'll ruin all the big paychecks most of our congress gets from big corps, whether it's R or D.

I don't think it's a big conspiracy at all, I think Pelosi was right that Trump leaves them no choice but to impeach. If the House doesn't try to remove him from office then the message to all future presidents is that they can commit unlimited crimes, up to and including crimes to try and rig the next election in their favor without consequence.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Have you even read the resolution? If anyone had doubts about the Democrat's impeachment process being nothing more than a political taken down, the resolution erased that. They have openly campaigned for impeachment since 11/9/2016.

Have you read the resolution? It is s very precise and well worded document! Again it is not about the process! It is about the facts which most people who are proTrump prefer to ignore!

 

[z1ggy]

I agree it is extremely unlikely Trump will be convicted. That being said Trump was going to do exactly what you describe anyway so I don't see how it matters. I suspect the long term results of it are probably pretty small but overall damage Trump. The idea that you can have months of headlines displaying how you're a criminal is a net positive because you can claim vindication later is a bit of a stretch.

I mean do you think OJ's reputation was improved by his trial even though he was acquitted?



I don't think it's a big conspiracy at all, I think Pelosi was right that Trump leaves them no choice but to impeach. If the House doesn't try to remove him from office then the message to all future presidents is that they can commit unlimited crimes, up to and including crimes to try and rig the next election in their favor without consequence.

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

I agree we have to try and do something but... I'm looking at it from a long term view, and a risk vs reward outcome. The potential risks and likelihood of realization are far more than the good outcomes: Chances of Trump not being convicted which then gives him a huge burst of energy going right into an election year, firing up his loony base, easily beating Warren or Sleepy Joe. That situation is far more likely than Trump getting convicted by Mitch & The Gang, him going to jail and becoming a national disgrace, followed by some 8 year long 'englightened period' where Dems control 2 of 3 branches and somehow undo all the shit Trump and the swamp have conjured up since 2016.

Even though justice might not get served to Trump specifically, we are better off just voting him out in 2020 and getting things back on track and treating this whole Trump presidency as a weird blip on the radar, instead of risking him using a failed impeachment as a campaigning talking point and pitting the left vs the right even more than it already is.

I mean Clinton wasn't convicted and the dude got his D sucked and cheated on his wife while in the most highest office our country has. Pretty sure that in general, most people would say BC is still portrayed as a "good guy" (even though that's probably questionable at best).

 

[dainthomas]

I thought we are to post factual information and not knowingly false "truths".

"Russia, if you're listening....."

"China should start an investigation into the Bidens."

 

[fskimospy]

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

I agree we have to try and do something but... I'm looking at it from a long term view, and a risk vs reward outcome. The potential risks and likelihood of realization are far more than the good outcomes: Chances of Trump not being convicted which then gives him a huge burst of energy going right into an election year, firing up his loony base, easily beating Warren or Sleepy Joe. That situation is far more likely than Trump getting convicted by Mitch & The Gang, him going to jail and becoming a national disgrace, followed by some 8 year long 'englightened period' where Dems control 2 of 3 branches and somehow undo all the shit Trump and the swamp have conjured up since 2016.

Even though justice might not get served to Trump specifically, we are better off just voting him out in 2020 and getting things back on track and treating this whole Trump presidency as a weird blip on the radar, instead of risking him using a failed impeachment as a campaigning talking point and pitting the left vs the right even more than it already is.

Have you considered a third option, that months of exposure for criminal activity hurts Trump instead of helping him, even if he isn't convicted?

I don't buy the 'it will fire up his base' argument as they are turning out anyway. I remember the same argument happened before the 2018 elections and, well, his base DID turn out and Republicans got slaughtered anyway. What's important is how the rest of the country takes it and my bet is that it's not a positive for Trump even if he isn't convicted.

I mean Clinton wasn't convicted and the dude got his D sucked and cheated on his wife while in the most highest office our country has. Pretty sure that in general, most people would say BC is still portrayed as a "good guy" (even though that's probably questionable at best).

Yeah but what happened in the 2000 election after that?

 

[Jhhnn]

I have to agree with David Pakman on the whole issue. Even if Dems officially vote to impeach, Trump will never ever in a million billion years be convicted in the Senate. Then, he'll go touring and campaigning around the country, with "proof" via the non conviction that the Witch Hunt was all fake news, he's the bestest and most wisest, doing such cool and legal stuff.

The only thing I can think of is this is a giant conspiracy to somehow keep Bernie out of office because they are worried he'll ruin all the big paychecks most of our congress gets from big corps, whether it's R or D.

It's not about "both sides". Even if the GOP won't dump Trump they'll have to wear the shame of it home for the election.

 

[Jaskalas]

Welp, every single Republican voted against even having an inquiry into whether or not Trump should be impeached despite the fact that he's on record requesting that foreign governments launch investigations into his domestic political opponents.

I hope every conservative minded person on here remembers that next time they are in the voting booth. If it's an incumbent the person you're voting for thinks the president should be able to weaponize the country's foreign policy against whoever might run against him. Is that the side you want to be on?

I appreciate that we can "resolve" at least some of this if we win in 2020, but man. In a nation with a two party duopoly, one of those parties FULLY endorses criminal activity out in the open. The support for lawlessness among Republicans is so widespread now that I dare say we risk skipping civil discourse entirely.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I thought we are to post factual information and not knowingly false "truths".

We are, but when you run across what you perceive to be a false truth it is up to you to post a link refuting what was posted, proving a false truth was posted! Why? Because using that word - knowingly is akin to starting a sentence off with -- Everybody knows....

 

[HomerJS]

I appreciate that we can "resolve" at least some of this if we win in 2020, but man. In a nation with a two party duopoly, one of those parties FULLY endorses criminal activity out in the open. The support for lawlessness among Republicans is so widespread now that I dare say we risk skipping civil discourse entirely.

Fuck them!

 

[fskimospy]

I appreciate that we can "resolve" at least some of this if we win in 2020, but man. In a nation with a two party duopoly, one of those parties FULLY endorses criminal activity out in the open. The support for lawlessness among Republicans is so widespread now that I dare say we risk skipping civil discourse entirely.

Yes it's hard to know what to do when the position of one of the two major parties is that they are not even interested in investigating whether or not the president is committing crimes in order to rig his own re-election.

 

[Jaskalas]

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

Future Presidents do not need a Senate Majority. They can block impeachment with just 33 (or 34?) Senators against it.

 

[dank69]

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

I agree we have to try and do something but... I'm looking at it from a long term view, and a risk vs reward outcome. The potential risks and likelihood of realization are far more than the good outcomes: Chances of Trump not being convicted which then gives him a huge burst of energy going right into an election year, firing up his loony base, easily beating Warren or Sleepy Joe. That situation is far more likely than Trump getting convicted by Mitch & The Gang, him going to jail and becoming a national disgrace, followed by some 8 year long 'englightened period' where Dems control 2 of 3 branches and somehow undo all the shit Trump and the swamp have conjured up since 2016.

Even though justice might not get served to Trump specifically, we are better off just voting him out in 2020 and getting things back on track and treating this whole Trump presidency as a weird blip on the radar, instead of risking him using a failed impeachment as a campaigning talking point and pitting the left vs the right even more than it already is.

I mean Clinton wasn't convicted and the dude got his D sucked and cheated on his wife while in the most highest office our country has. Pretty sure that in general, most people would say BC is still portrayed as a "good guy" (even though that's probably questionable at best).

How do you know Bill cheated on his wife? Maybe they had an open marriage agreement.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

I agree we have to try and do something but... I'm looking at it from a long term view, and a risk vs reward outcome. The potential risks and likelihood of realization are far more than the good outcomes: Chances of Trump not being convicted which then gives him a huge burst of energy going right into an election year, firing up his loony base, easily beating Warren or Sleepy Joe. That situation is far more likely than Trump getting convicted by Mitch & The Gang, him going to jail and becoming a national disgrace, followed by some 8 year long 'englightened period' where Dems control 2 of 3 branches and somehow undo all the shit Trump and the swamp have conjured up since 2016.

Even though justice might not get served to Trump specifically, we are better off just voting him out in 2020 and getting things back on track and treating this whole Trump presidency as a weird blip on the radar, instead of risking him using a failed impeachment as a campaigning talking point and pitting the left vs the right even more than it already is.

I mean Clinton wasn't convicted and the dude got his D sucked and cheated on his wife while in the most highest office our country has. Pretty sure that in general, most people would say BC is still portrayed as a "good guy" (even though that's probably questionable at best).

Let’s flip this.
Trump has 4 more years, then a D takes office.
Hey world you’ll be greatly rewarded if you provide me with illegal stuff former President Trump did.
That President would just be acting in the people’s best interest just like the current President is.

 

[fskimospy]

Future Presidents do not need a Senate Majority. They can win the vote with just 33 against.

And it is nearly impossible to imagine a future scenario where any party controls the presidency but fewer than 33 senators. This means all future presidents can commit unlimited crimes without recourse.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Future Presidents do not need a Senate Majority. They can block impeachment with just 33 (or 34?) Senators against it.

???

 

[Fanatical Meat]

???

He is saying if a future President has 35 dependable bros in Congress that President could commit all the crimes they desire.

 

[Jaskalas]

???

Passing Impeachment in the Senate requires two thirds. So... 66 or 67 Senators have to support impeachment. I haven't found the exact number yet.

When is the last time a single party had that many Senators? It is not possible to impeach without the President's own party at least partially in agreement.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Well the bigger picture issue is that sure it sends a message to future Presidents that congress will vote to remove you if you commit crimes... but that's it. If you have your own party as the senate majority, they'll protect you, sweep your crimes under the rug, and on you go to another 4 more years.

I agree we have to try and do something but... I'm looking at it from a long term view, and a risk vs reward outcome. The potential risks and likelihood of realization are far more than the good outcomes: Chances of Trump not being convicted which then gives him a huge burst of energy going right into an election year, firing up his loony base, easily beating Warren or Sleepy Joe. That situation is far more likely than Trump getting convicted by Mitch & The Gang, him going to jail and becoming a national disgrace, followed by some 8 year long 'englightened period' where Dems control 2 of 3 branches and somehow undo all the shit Trump and the swamp have conjured up since 2016.

Even though justice might not get served to Trump specifically, we are better off just voting him out in 2020 and getting things back on track and treating this whole Trump presidency as a weird blip on the radar, instead of risking him using a failed impeachment as a campaigning talking point and pitting the left vs the right even more than it already is.

I mean Clinton wasn't convicted and the dude got his D sucked and cheated on his wife while in the most highest office our country has. Pretty sure that in general, most people would say BC is still portrayed as a "good guy" (even though that's probably questionable at best).

I disagree. With country as divided as we are it all comes down to election turnout. Historically speaking Republicans always turn out, it's Democrats and Independents that are far more likely to stay home.

Should impeachment process go all the way to the the Senate I highly doubt that it's going to give GOP extra boost at the polls. I think it is far more likely that failed impeachment will energize Democrats/Independents to throw GOP and Trump out of office in 2020 just like they did with the HoR in 2018.

I think dangers of sitting back until 2020 are far greater than following through with impeachment.

 

[interchange]

I have to agree with David Pakman on the whole issue. Even if Dems officially vote to impeach, Trump will never ever in a million billion years be convicted in the Senate. Then, he'll go touring and campaigning around the country, with "proof" via the non conviction that the Witch Hunt was all fake news, he's the bestest and most wisest, doing such cool and legal stuff.

The only thing I can think of is this is a giant conspiracy to somehow keep Bernie out of office because they are worried he'll ruin all the big paychecks most of our congress gets from big corps, whether it's R or D.

I don't agree. When a person acts in a way that is traumatically deviant, meaning they violate the established boundaries of behavior e.g. sexual assault, it is quite often that the victims normalize it or complain in ways that don't force resolution. And when someone chooses to force a resolution, they sometimes win.

I don't care, though. To me the only losing in this situation is agreeing to accept the trauma. Go forth because it's the right thing to do. There is no reason for anything else to mitigate that.

Funny thing about committing offenses out in the open. Those who object to it internally often shut down because they are hoping someone else will step up in their stead.