Passing Impeachment in the Senate requires two thirds. So... 66 or 67 Senators have to support impeachment. I haven't found the exact number yet.
When is the last time a single party had that many Senators? It is not possible to impeach without the President's own party at least partially in agreement.
If it's an incumbent the person you're voting for thinks the president should be able to weaponize the country's foreign policy against whoever might run against him. Is that the side you want to be on?
That's one way to look at the goings on during his admin. Looks like Barr is about to set the record straight on Obama's scandal free reign.
In an ideal world, yes all this "bad publicity" works against Trump but then again... how the hell did he even become President anyway? He's had literal non stop bad publicity since before the elections because he is an absolute garbage human, yet... here he is. He and his campaign are MASTERS are turning bad things that they do, and flipping it around on their accusers. He basically embraced the whole "grab her by the pussy" line and it turned out to have 0 effect on him ultimately becoming President. And we all thought that was the end.Have you considered a third option, that months of exposure for criminal activity hurts Trump instead of helping him, even if he isn't convicted?
I don't buy the 'it will fire up his base' argument as they are turning out anyway. I remember the same argument happened before the 2018 elections and, well, his base DID turn out and Republicans got slaughtered anyway. What's important is how the rest of the country takes it and my bet is that it's not a positive for Trump even if he isn't convicted.
Yeah but what happened in the 2000 election after that?
When in doubt do the right thing. 65% of the country knows what that is. I blame the deplorables more then Trump because it should never have happened. His scam was very easy to spot. His people voted for evil just to get a win.In an ideal world, yes all this "bad publicity" works against Trump but then again... how the hell did he even become President anyway? He's had literal non stop bad publicity since before the elections because he is an absolute garbage human, yet... here he is. He and his campaign are MASTERS are turning bad things that they do, and flipping it around on their accusers. He basically embraced the whole "grab her by the pussy" line and it turned out to have 0 effect on him ultimately becoming President. And we all thought that was the end.
I just feel like it's every time something "big" comes up that's going to sink his ship, and it doesn't. The Mueller probe was supposed to be this big giant thing that took him and his crew down, but... it's not even being considered for the inquiry as far as I've seen.
The Right and Trump are experts are dividing us up It's left vs right, me vs him, socialism vs freedom, so on and so on. Using history to try and predict the future doesn't always work that great. If it did, I'd be a billionaire from making crazy gains off stock options or something. Just because impeachments didn't turn out well for other POTUS' doesn't mean it will hurt Trump. He's a totally different animal and we are living in a totally different day and age. I want him gone as much as the next (non trumper) person, but I'm just worried that in some kind of wacky way, this actually will end up empowering him.
In an ideal world, yes all this "bad publicity" works against Trump but then again... how the hell did he even become President anyway? He's had literal non stop bad publicity since before the elections because he is an absolute garbage human, yet... here he is. He and his campaign are MASTERS are turning bad things that they do, and flipping it around on their accusers. He basically embraced the whole "grab her by the pussy" line and it turned out to have 0 effect on him ultimately becoming President. And we all thought that was the end.
I just feel like it's every time something "big" comes up that's going to sink his ship, and it doesn't. The Mueller probe was supposed to be this big giant thing that took him and his crew down, but... it's not even being considered for the inquiry as far as I've seen.
The Right and Trump are experts are dividing us up It's left vs right, me vs him, socialism vs freedom, so on and so on. Using history to try and predict the future doesn't always work that great. If it did, I'd be a billionaire from making crazy gains off stock options or something. Just because impeachments didn't turn out well for other POTUS' doesn't mean it will hurt Trump. He's a totally different animal and we are living in a totally different day and age. I want him gone as much as the next (non trumper) person, but I'm just worried that in some kind of wacky way, this actually will end up empowering him.
In an ideal world, yes all this "bad publicity" works against Trump but then again... how the hell did he even become President anyway? He's had literal non stop bad publicity since before the elections because he is an absolute garbage human, yet... here he is. He and his campaign are MASTERS are turning bad things that they do, and flipping it around on their accusers. He basically embraced the whole "grab her by the pussy" line and it turned out to have 0 effect on him ultimately becoming President. And we all thought that was the end.
I just feel like it's every time something "big" comes up that's going to sink his ship, and it doesn't. The Mueller probe was supposed to be this big giant thing that took him and his crew down, but... it's not even being considered for the inquiry as far as I've seen.
The Right and Trump are experts are dividing us up It's left vs right, me vs him, socialism vs freedom, so on and so on. Using history to try and predict the future doesn't always work that great. If it did, I'd be a billionaire from making crazy gains off stock options or something. Just because impeachments didn't turn out well for other POTUS' doesn't mean it will hurt Trump. He's a totally different animal and we are living in a totally different day and age. I want him gone as much as the next (non trumper) person, but I'm just worried that in some kind of wacky way, this actually will end up empowering him.
All in all nationally televised hearings for months about how you are a criminal are probably bad.
Isn`t this a great country? Where you get to have freedom of speech...That's one way to look at the goings on during his admin. Looks like Barr is about to set the record straight on Obama's scandal free reign.
Passing Impeachment in the Senate requires two thirds. So... 66 or 67 Senators have to support impeachment. I haven't found the exact number yet.
When is the last time a single party had that many Senators? It is not possible to impeach without the President's own party at least partially in agreement.
I thought Pelosi specifically said it was only basing the inquiry proceedings on the Ukraine scandal?I mean he's the most enduringly unpopular president in history and in election matchups he's currently losing by basically double digits to all his likely challengers. That seems bad!
It is part of the inquiry.
I mean it's certainly possible as there's no way to know the future I just don't think it's particularly likely. All in all nationally televised hearings for months about how you are a criminal are probably bad.
Meh. It's always all about money. If trump gets impeached in the house, but the Senate doesn't vote to remove then he has a great chance at another 4 years. The only real chance he's out is if the economy goes south, and his trade war and horrible policies are to blame. If the overall state of the economy and unemployment remains stable we're screwed for another term. This isn't my wish, it's just what likely could happen imho.
Hey, maybe the GOP should have thought of that before they started complaining about everything happening behind closed doors. Doh!
That being said, I get where z1ggy is coming from here. Trump really has endured a metric crap-ton of negative publicity starting during the campaign and continuing on and on during his presidency but he just keeps on ticking.
I hope those head to head polls actually mean something this time. They showed Clinton ahead of Trump in 2016.
I thought Pelosi specifically said it was only basing the inquiry proceedings on the Ukraine scandal?
Also, I just did a fast google search for polls about impeachment. Honestly I have no idea if this site is using legit data or what, but... if I just take this at face value, it's still about a 50/50 split as far as the country goes about if Trump should be removed, and only 10% of R's think he should be removed. Sample size doesn't seem massive for these polls and I have no idea how they were conducted. I've never heard of these pollsters before but it's all I had time to look at real fast.
Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump?
FiveThirtyEight is tracking polls that ask whether respondents support impeaching President Trump.projects.fivethirtyeight.com
It will be interesting to see how the opinions change, especially as you say if these hearings go full public. Most R's I know (like my Dad) bury their heads in the sand with typical right wing propaganda, so they may not hear the full story. All I know is that we have never been more politically divided as a country right now (at least for my generation) and I just hope whatever the case may be, this nightmare ends at the end of 2020.
I don't think they're capable of feeling shame. Shows in all their actions so far.It's not about "both sides". Even if the GOP won't dump Trump they'll have to wear the shame of it home for the election.
And I think it's worth emphasizing that unless it's by so much that conviction in the Senate becomes a real possibility, changes of support probably matter less than changes in voter turnout. Of course, I think it's an open question who will be motivated and who will be depressed come election day.I don't think the hearings will massively change public opinion although I would love to be wrong about that. We don't really need that much of a shift though as like I said Trump won by about the narrowest margin possible. Even a tiny loss of support likely dooms him.
And I think it's worth emphasizing that unless it's by so much that conviction in the Senate becomes a real possibility, changes of support probably matter less than changes in voter turnout. Of course, I think it's an open question who will be motivated and who will be depressed come election day.
Something from Chauncey De Vega that we can pretty much all agree with:
Trump and his allies and supporters live in an imaginary realm that is “the direct opposite of the truth.”
The Democratic Party, instead of resisting at every step, has allowed itself to be dragged ever farther to the right because of its obsession with being "moderate" and “centrist” in order to win back the fabled “white working class” which has moved toward the Republicans. This has been a decades-long fool’s errand.
That’s why Democrat’s should always run on doing what’s right and what’s good policy as opposed to who’s more progressive or more liberal.
Good policy doesn’t care about ideology.
But we're in a period where people don't care about good policy, they care about wrecking the system because capitalism isn't working.
Yes but imagine being so frightened to face reality that you can actually find fault with those who made just that discovery, as if just the will to see criminal activity was itself a sin of some mysterious kind. Their detachment from reality is extreme and they don't even see it.What's interesting about these arguments is that none of them address the actual substance of the allegations here. Now of course we know why that is, because the substance is damning, but it's still interesting. Even if the Democrats had devoted 100% of their energies to finding something to impeach Trump on that doesn't change the fact that, well, they found one.
It's also depressing because this line of defense indicates that Republicans know what Trump did is indefensible on the facts but instead of helping to remove him from office they've decided to defend him anyway because he's on the team.