Fullerton cops found not guilty

shabby

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That's messed up, the jurors either don't care about homeless people or have somebody in their family working for the police.
 

OCGuy

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Not surprising. The only reason our DA charged them is because it is on video.

He has a lot of blood on his hands at this point....
 

fskimospy

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You have to wonder what it would take to find them guilty at this point. Did they need to beat him to death in the courtroom?
 

Venix

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Disappointing, but not too surprising. Juries rarely convict police officers.

I had hoped that the one cop's statement that his "fists are getting ready to fuck you up" while he put on gloves before the beating would be enough to prove his malicious intent, but I guess not.
 

Genx87

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You have to wonder what it would take to find them guilty at this point. Did they need to beat him to death in the courtroom?

That is the question I am asking. What does it take to convict a cop in this country?
 

Paul98

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Will the citizens ever stand up against the corrupt and thug police in this country. Doesn't seem like, seems they will let the cops do what ever they want as long as it doesn't effect them.
 

fskimospy

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That is the question I am asking. What does it take to convict a cop in this country?

I am all for giving the police significant deference. It is a hard job and you can easily be put in a bad spot where you make the wrong decision. But Jesus, there has to be a line and the line seems so far away from here it's not even close.
 

Jaskalas

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/index.html

We live in some fucked up times when cops can beat a homeless man to death with video evidence and people in this country don't find them guilty.

That's messed up, the jurors either don't care about homeless people or have somebody in their family working for the police.

Read a study on human nature. How many would kill an innocent person simply because "authority" ordered them to.

This case, the authority is the cops, and they only did "what's best". What are the jurors going to do, bite the hand that feeds them? Slaves live to please.
 

Paul98

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I hope those who think the police were right get beat to death, along with those cops.

It would make the world a better place
 

woolfe9998

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First of all, we aren't aware of the total body of evidence here. If only for the video, they do look guilty, but as the article indicates, the video wasn't the entire case.

Second, a jury made this decision. I see no reason why your typical jury would give any more consideration to cops than anyone else. It isn't like your average person has a favorable bias toward cops.

The system is certainly biased in favor of the police in situations like this, but the bias usually affects whether they are prosecuted or not. That isn't the issue here because the local DA did their job and put them on trial. Once the evidence is presented to a jury and the jury acquits, that's pretty much all there is to it. If the jury erred, it wasn't likely a pro-cop bias. In other words, assuming for the sake of argument that they were guilty, this is no different than any other guilty person going free.
 

Triumph

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"These peace officers were doing their job. They had no malice in their heart," said John Barnett, an attorney for Ramos.

If this is what "doing their job" entails, then maybe we need to re-evaluate their job description.
 

Attic

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That's heartbreaking and sad. I had lost track of this case but this outcome makes me feel hollow. I followed the case a bit during trial, I never get how the folks who are paid to viciously lie about circumstances in the case can do so day in and day out. It's inhuman in the context of this case. But it works and the liars get paid well.

The dad has a hell of a heart and I hope he keeps doing what he thinks is best. It was critical that he brought this to trial and didn't take a deal, and the outcome of the trial makes his decision to go to trial all the more important. If this case was hard to ignore before, it should be even harder to ignore now.
 
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AznAnarchy99

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First of all, we aren't aware of the total body of evidence here. If only for the video, they do look guilty, but as the article indicates, the video wasn't the entire case.

The defense attorney said the video wasn't the entire case. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the verdict. As I remember from when it all happened there were tons of eye witnesses that said the officers were going overboard.
 

Vic

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If this is what "doing their job" entails, then maybe we need to re-evaluate their job description.

I for one am confident that being a jack booted baton wielding thug was not in the job aid.
 
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