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alphatarget1

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Rule #1 about speeding tickets: Don't be a dick. You were breaking the law. Most people don't seem to realize this.

What if you were driving in a greedy and unethical city/town where they got the traffic engineers to unethically set up speed traps for revenue purposes?

Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's automatically right.
 

BlackTigers

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What if you were driving in a greedy and unethical city/town where they got the traffic engineers to unethically set up speed traps for revenue purposes?

Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's automatically right.

Because the cop made that law right? He designed the speed trap? He made it unethical?

No, he's just doing his job.
 

Muse

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Fun facts:

Haven't gotten one in over 30 years. Used to get them. Nowadays, at least on the freeway I try not to get anywhere near those speeds. The gas mileage at those speeds sucks. Besides, I'm not in that big a hurry and speed kills, and often it's not pretty.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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I find it amusing you're a giant beautiful being to random strangers on the internet.
Why dont you go try it on your state congressmen & city police and let me know how that works?

They've got too much power to talk to. I don't like being beaten up and left to die in the woods somewhere. So no thanks. I'll just avoid the government.
 

alphatarget1

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Because the cop made that law right? He designed the speed trap? He made it unethical?

No, he's just doing his job.

When did I say anything about cops?

For the record: I used to speed a lot in my college years. I don't anymore, not after getting a $420 ticket doing 85 in a 55. Did traffic school and I finally realized it's dumb to speed, especially when you're going anywhere less than 300-400 miles.

I have yet to drive through a speed trap in Texas that are designed for revenue and has no regard for safety. Make no mistake, though. They do exist, and I hope the podunk town officials who set it up and their podunk cops who enforce "the law" will burn in hell for their unethical practices of juicing ordinary citizens even when they did nothing wrong.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=32199
 
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exdeath

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Because the cop made that law right? He designed the speed trap? He made it unethical?

No, he's just doing his job.

Cops were just doing their jobs when it was illegal for blacks to sit on a bus or drink out of a drinking fountain, and they were doing their job when they were burning Jews.

Doesn't make it right or mean you have to allow it. The law, and what is right, sometimes don't agree, and it is our duty as citizens to defend ourselves from wrong. especially when it's an authority doing wrong. Violence especially when it's a matter of loss of life, liberty, or property at stake. Is a speeding ticket a good reason? No. I'm just putting into perspective and saying that you are not obligated to comply with anything and everything just because it's a cop.

Also don't forget cops are humans with their own political opinions just like everyone else. For example, if someone on this forum who likes Lotus cars was a cop, I guarantee that person would be biased and predispositioned to look for every reason to stop, harass, and ticket any SUV. It's unfortunate, but that's how it is. Of course it works the other way as well, you could run into a cop who is a car enthusiast who has a nice car, and would be more likely to let you off with a warning after checking out your car.

Be a good citizen and obey the law and DO WHAT IS RIGHT, but don't rule out resistance so quickly when the law questionably crosses the line to resemble tyranny and oppression. And no, it's not up to the courts to decide if crosses the line or not. The mere opinion of a few judges, who are also people, don't always side with what is right either. If a court rules that you can't have a black car, for example, that is invalid use of government power and completely unenforceble.

Completely out of context with a mere speeding ticket, but I can't stand the submissive nanny knows best always train of thought.
 
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alphatarget1

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cops were just doing their jobs when it was illegal for blacks to sit on a bus or drink out of a drinking fountain, and they were doing their job when they were burning jews.

Doesn't make it right or mean you have to allow it. The law, and what is right, sometimes don't agree, and it is our duty as citizens to defend outselves from wrong. Violence especially when it's a matter of loss of life, liberty, or property at stake.

qft.
 

MJinZ

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Being polite to officers has gotten me out of 5-6 speeding tickets.

Honestly, don't be a dick to them. Be courteous and act human, and admit you fucked up. They're aren't all pigs.

I've only given a cop attitude once, but it was a completely unnecessary situation that he should have minded his own business in, ibut that's beside the point.

The situation should dictate your actions, but it is also obvious that some professions draw certain types of people. Like Assassins would draw cold-hearted bastards, Politicians draw smarmy vermin, as do Cops draw asshats.
 

MJinZ

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Some of that is rather worthless.

1) Insurance surcharge: While the math does support the assertion that this creastes $10.2 billion in income to insurance companies, it must be remembered that income is not profit. It must also be remembered that a significant portion of those who receive speeding tickets are repeat offenders who are at a statistically higher risk for being involved in an accident. The average payouts for these accidents are well in excess of $300/each which means that the losses from insuring risky, ticket-receiving drivers very likely negate most or all of the additional income from the surcharges. Finally, a significant number of tickets are plead down in traffic court or are deferred and therefore never show up to the insurance company in the first place. This means that the actual increase in income for insurance companies is well below $10.2 billion even if the higher costs of insuring risky drivers are never taken into account.

2) Texas Speed Traps: Speed traps are typically set up in areas where there is high throuput. While there were only 56,000 residents of the areas in which the speed traps were set up, the roads certainly saw far more unique drivers than the number of residents in the towns would suggest. For example, along I-90 here in WA, there are several unincorporated townships with fewer than 5,000 people. However, because of I-90, tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people drive through these communities every day. For the Texas speed trap information to be useful, they would need to cite total traffic throughput, not population size. Essentially, the data here have been manipulated for the purposes of sensationalism.

3) Out-Of-State Tickets: Out-of-state drivers are also significantly less likely to be familiar with an area which increases the likelihood of them making erratic maneuvers (and thereby drawing an officer's attention) or of being unfamiliar with the speed limit on a given road and driving faster than permitted. A similar phenomenon, though to a lesser degree, occurs when people are driving outside of their usual metropolitan area. This alone is sufficient to explain the higher ticketing rates for out-of-state drivers as well as the higher ticketing rates for drivers outside of their usual metropolitan area.

4) Radar Guns: The tests cited were performed in 1979. Radar equipment has progressed a hell of a lot in the past 31 years. Additionally, I have heard of only a handful of cases (certainly not "many") where a stationary and automated speed camera issued the ticket to a parked vehicle rather than the speeding vehicle. In all cases, the ticket was dismissed because the photo taken by the automated machine clearly showed that the ticketed car was, in fact, parked. The issue was not with the radar itself, but rather with the automated system that isn't smart enough to recognize target error. Human operators do not have this failing.

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Ever heard of the Autobahn?

Yea, here in the US, where you can get a license to drive with no hand eye coordination, poor reflexes, retarded IQ, and shit for depth perception, most drivers are god damn fucking incompetent.

But usually, competent drivers are the ones you see blazing on the Highway.

I really do not give a shit for laws that are meant solely for State revenue. In fact, I have made it a goal in my life to have enough money to never give 2 shits about a speeding ticket, or support efforts to bring the Autobahn to the USA.

Fuck stupid people. Make driving licenses a true privilege - require a hundred hours of offensive and defensive driving courses.

Of course, what am I thinking. We don't give a shit about lives or safety. We just want to sell everyone a car, an SUV, and truck, tax all of them, junk all them, and do it all over again with cash 4 clunkers while lining coffers with tickets, while Exxon Mobil makes $35 Billion a year and pays no taxes to the US Government. Give the middle finger to the RIGHT people.
 
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EightySix Four

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When did I say anything about cops?

For the record: I used to speed a lot in my college years. I don't anymore, not after getting a $420 ticket doing 85 in a 55. Did traffic school and I finally realized it's dumb to speed, especially when you're going anywhere less than 300-400 miles.

I have yet to drive through a speed trap in Texas that are designed for revenue and has no regard for safety. Make no mistake, though. They do exist, and I hope the podunk town officials who set it up and their podunk cops who enforce "the law" will burn in hell for their unethical practices of juicing ordinary citizens even when they did nothing wrong.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=32199

I went through one of those. The speed limit sign was legitimately behind a green road sign. So, I went back with a camera and filmed. At 75mph the sign for the new 55mph zone was visible for a ridiculously short amount of time and had the ticket thrown out. Drove through the same area 6 months later, no change of course.

Bulllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt.

Ever heard of the Autobahn?

Yea, here in the US, where you can get a license to drive with no hand eye coordination, poor reflexes, retarded IQ, and shit for depth perception, most drivers are god damn fucking incompetent.

But usually, competent drivers are the ones you see blazing on the Highway.

I really do not give a shit for laws that are meant solely for State revenue. In fact, I have made it a goal in my life to have enough money to never give 2 shits about a speeding ticket, or support efforts to bring the Autobahn to the USA.

Fuck stupid people. Make driving licenses a true privilege - require a hundred hours of offensive and defensive driving courses.

Of course, what am I thinking. We don't give a shit about lives or safety. We just want to sell everyone a car, an SUV, and truck, tax all of them, junk all them, and do it all over again with cash 4 clunkers while lining coffers with tickets, while Exxon Mobil makes $35 Billion a year and pays no taxes to the US Government. Give the middle finger to the RIGHT people.

Why don't you just move?
 

jlee

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The situation should dictate your actions, but it is also obvious that some professions draw certain types of people. Like Assassins would draw cold-hearted bastards, Politicians draw smarmy vermin, as do Cops draw asshats.

And forums draw trolls.
 

BlackTigers

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Completely out of context with a mere speeding ticket, but I can't stand the submissive nanny knows best always train of thought.


As good of a reply as that was, I wouldn't have said that for anything more than a speeding ticket, haha.
 

MJinZ

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And forums draw trolls.

Yes, they do. Like there are decent posters here, there are decent cops out there.

Except there are just as many cops who have their chests puffed out, thinking they are better than everyone else because of their position of some authority and consequently are either innately asshats or act like ones.
 

MJinZ

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I went through one of those. The speed limit sign was legitimately behind a green road sign. So, I went back with a camera and filmed. At 75mph the sign for the new 55mph zone was visible for a ridiculously short amount of time and had the ticket thrown out. Drove through the same area 6 months later, no change of course.



Why don't you just move?

If driving was your life, then that might actually make sense.
 

simonizor

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10-20% of radar-backed speeding tickets are issued in error and that rate goes up to 30% if the radar is in a moving vehicle.

Why the fuck is radar still an acceptable method of measuring people's speed?
 

jlee

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10-20% of radar-backed speeding tickets are issued in error and that rate goes up to 30% if the radar is in a moving vehicle.

Why the fuck is radar still an acceptable method of measuring people's speed?

Not mine.

What's your source?
 

Stefan Payne

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That part about Germany isn't totally correct.

The normal fines aren't based on the income, that's just the case if you've done something really wrong, like endangerment (wich can also be speding, if you're fast enough).

And we don't just have fees, there is also a score system (if you reach 18 point, your license is gone).
Ever heard of the Autobahn?
Have you ever used it or driven more than 100mph??
 
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Gillbot

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10-20% of radar-backed speeding tickets are issued in error and that rate goes up to 30% if the radar is in a moving vehicle.

Why the fuck is radar still an acceptable method of measuring people's speed?

because in the hands of a trained operator, that error is next to nil.
 

marvdmartian

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Fun facts:

Haven't gotten one in over 30 years. Used to get them. Nowadays, at least on the freeway I try not to get anywhere near those speeds. The gas mileage at those speeds sucks. Besides, I'm not in that big a hurry and speed kills, and often it's not pretty.

Not to mention, if you can be a little patient with your speed, inevitably some schmuck will come flying past you, ready and willing to sacrifice his paycheck on a speeding ticket, so that you won't have to! :awe:

I call 'em "ticket magnets".
 

MJinZ

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That part about Germany isn't totally correct.

The normal fines aren't based on the income, that's just the case if you've done something really wrong, like endangerment (wich can also be speding, if you're fast enough).

And we don't just have fees, there is also a score system (if you reach 18 point, your license is gone).

Have you ever used it or driven more than 100mph??

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