How many countries have You lived in, to form an opinion?
How many countries have You visited and stayed in for more than four weeks (to at least, get a shado0w of understanding as to what life there is like)?
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No. You'd have to be an ignorant ass if you thought that the US was anything other than a Republic.Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
You are one of those bright young Americans who believes that US is a democracy and not a republic, aren't You?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And one more commie heard from. If it's such a big problem here, you're welcome to move to one of those nice communistic dictatorships you all seem to love so much.Originally posted by: Syringer
http://www.cafeshops.com/warposter
ZV
Is there any particular reason that you quoted the same post twice to make two replies that could have better been consolidated into a single post? Or are you simply desireous of an increased postcount?Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I love those pathetic and always-the-same-one-line responses to everything that doubts the nessesity of war, - "get out!"
never get tired of it, and of the intelligent, educated, polite and thinking people who use it
As for my suggestion that they leave, you would do well to read the entire post closely and not to insert your own prejudices into the statement. I did NOT say that they should get out if they disagree with the war. There are plenty of rational people who disagree with the war, however such people all also realise the the U.S. is a better place to live than anywhere else, that Bush was elected according to the process set forth in the Constitution, and that it is completely asinine to compare Bush to Hitler. Disagreement with the war is something I respect and that I acknowledge as necessary for a healthy Republic. Once people start claiming that Bush is worse than Hitler and making fun of dead soldiers however, they can get the hell out because they obviously think that life would be much better in other countries. I say, if you think that the US sucks so badly, then you should be encouraged to vote with your feet.
In short, productive and well-reasoned criticism is one thing. Calling Bush a NAZI and making light of the deaths of persons who volunteer in the military because they want to protect your cowardly ass is a whole other ballgame.
ZV
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
Originally posted by: tcsenter
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
Originally posted by: tcsenter
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
why do you keep addressing me? ("you")
what ever happened to "one"?
or should we just blame public schools again?
Not at all, it appears that you completely missed the point. It doesn't surprise me, this is precisely what I'm talking about.If you think something is wrong, you SHOULD voice your opinions, that is how great nations are built... If nobody would critizise, how would things improve? Your logic left the building when you compared critizising ideas that you do not believe in with reproduction...
Because I'm responding to your post?why do you keep addressing me? ("you")
what ever happened to "one"?
or should we just blame public schools again?
Um, no, you're not following my logic. You're following some logic, but it isn't mine.No one's opinion is worth anything. Think about supply and demand. Everyone has opinions, very few people want to hear new opinions. So the price must be pretty low. So, following your logic, no one should ever state their opinion. What a wonderfully free way of thinking...
I say to you what I said to the person to whom I replied: Read my post purely for blatant meaning and do not try to infuse it with your own prejudices against my views. I'll go over it once again for those who are slow to pick things up. Criticism is good if rational and well-thought out. Criticism is necessary for a properly functioning republic. Saying that America needs improvement is like saying that water is wet. However, when people say things that clearly show that they view America to be among the worst places to live and offer nothing other than signs equating Bush to Hitler or equating Homeland Security to the SS I am forced to conclude that they have lost whatever tenuous connection they might have once had with reality.Originally posted by: SnapIT
There are so many flaws in what you say that i won't adress them all due to lack of bandwidth on the intarweb...Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No. You'd have to be an ignorant ass if you thought that the US was anything other than a Republic.Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
You are one of those bright young Americans who believes that US is a democracy and not a republic, aren't You?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And one more commie heard from. If it's such a big problem here, you're welcome to move to one of those nice communistic dictatorships you all seem to love so much.Originally posted by: Syringer
http://www.cafeshops.com/warposter
ZV
Is there any particular reason that you quoted the same post twice to make two replies that could have better been consolidated into a single post? Or are you simply desireous of an increased postcount?Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I love those pathetic and always-the-same-one-line responses to everything that doubts the nessesity of war, - "get out!"
never get tired of it, and of the intelligent, educated, polite and thinking people who use it
As for my suggestion that they leave, you would do well to read the entire post closely and not to insert your own prejudices into the statement. I did NOT say that they should get out if they disagree with the war. There are plenty of rational people who disagree with the war, however such people all also realise the the U.S. is a better place to live than anywhere else, that Bush was elected according to the process set forth in the Constitution, and that it is completely asinine to compare Bush to Hitler. Disagreement with the war is something I respect and that I acknowledge as necessary for a healthy Republic. Once people start claiming that Bush is worse than Hitler and making fun of dead soldiers however, they can get the hell out because they obviously think that life would be much better in other countries. I say, if you think that the US sucks so badly, then you should be encouraged to vote with your feet.
In short, productive and well-reasoned criticism is one thing. Calling Bush a NAZI and making light of the deaths of persons who volunteer in the military because they want to protect your cowardly ass is a whole other ballgame.
ZV
Is the US paradise? Is there no room for improvement? If you disagree with the current administration, is it not ok to say that the current administration sucks? Is it ok to critizise ideas that you do not share, if not, is there anything you think that the current administration has done wrong, are you going to move?
That "patriotism means no questions" seems to be right up your alley... sad, isn't it?
Oh, and who said that Bush is worse than the nazis?
Contrary to popular opinion, it is possible to both live in America and to remain up-to-date on world affairs. Living in a country is not a prerequisite for understanding its standard of living and political climate. Nice try.Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
How many countries have You lived in, to form an opinion?
How many countries have You visited and stayed in for more than four weeks (to at least, get a shado0w of understanding as to what life there is like)?
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Um, no, you're not following my logic. You're following some logic, but it isn't mine.
Perfect! I was trying to say as much, but didn't succeed, apparently.Saying that America needs improvement is like saying that water is wet. However, when people say things that clearly show that they view America to be among the worst places to live and offer nothing other than signs equating Bush to Hitler or equating Homeland Security to the SS I am forced to conclude that they have lost whatever tenuous connection they might have once had with reality.
Read it again. It makes sense, really it does, when you're willing to read what I wrote and not what you think I meant.I would point out where I got my point in your post, but I don't feel like copy and pasting your own statements to you. You basically said no one's opinion is worth anything. Atleast, that is how I read it. Then you started talking about sex.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I say to you what I said to the person to whom I replied: Read my post purely for blatant meaning and do not try to infuse it with your own prejudices against my views. I'll go over it once again for those who are slow to pick things up. Criticism is good if rational and well-thought out. Criticism is necessary for a properly functioning republic. Saying that America needs improvement is like saying that water is wet. However, when people say things that clearly show that they view America to be among the worst places to live and offer nothing other than signs equating Bush to Hitler or equating Homeland Security to the SS I am forced to conclude that they have lost whatever tenuous connection they might have once had with reality.Originally posted by: SnapIT
There are so many flaws in what you say that i won't adress them all due to lack of bandwidth on the intarweb...Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No. You'd have to be an ignorant ass if you thought that the US was anything other than a Republic.Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
You are one of those bright young Americans who believes that US is a democracy and not a republic, aren't You?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
And one more commie heard from. If it's such a big problem here, you're welcome to move to one of those nice communistic dictatorships you all seem to love so much.Originally posted by: Syringer
http://www.cafeshops.com/warposter
ZV
Is there any particular reason that you quoted the same post twice to make two replies that could have better been consolidated into a single post? Or are you simply desireous of an increased postcount?Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
I love those pathetic and always-the-same-one-line responses to everything that doubts the nessesity of war, - "get out!"
never get tired of it, and of the intelligent, educated, polite and thinking people who use it
As for my suggestion that they leave, you would do well to read the entire post closely and not to insert your own prejudices into the statement. I did NOT say that they should get out if they disagree with the war. There are plenty of rational people who disagree with the war, however such people all also realise the the U.S. is a better place to live than anywhere else, that Bush was elected according to the process set forth in the Constitution, and that it is completely asinine to compare Bush to Hitler. Disagreement with the war is something I respect and that I acknowledge as necessary for a healthy Republic. Once people start claiming that Bush is worse than Hitler and making fun of dead soldiers however, they can get the hell out because they obviously think that life would be much better in other countries. I say, if you think that the US sucks so badly, then you should be encouraged to vote with your feet.
In short, productive and well-reasoned criticism is one thing. Calling Bush a NAZI and making light of the deaths of persons who volunteer in the military because they want to protect your cowardly ass is a whole other ballgame.
ZV
Is the US paradise? Is there no room for improvement? If you disagree with the current administration, is it not ok to say that the current administration sucks? Is it ok to critizise ideas that you do not share, if not, is there anything you think that the current administration has done wrong, are you going to move?
That "patriotism means no questions" seems to be right up your alley... sad, isn't it?
Oh, and who said that Bush is worse than the nazis?
Nowhere did I say (or even so much as imply) that anyone who offers criticism should leave. That's a jump that you are making all by yourself without any rational basis. I do think that the people who I see walking around campus with signs that say (verbatim), "Bush = Hitler", or signs with swastikas painted on the American flag should either put up or shut up. If a person has a constructive and rational idea, then I'm all for hearing it. If a person can only spout some tired drivel about "the military-industrial establishment" then please, just be quiet until your brain comes back online after the mescaline wears off.
Patriotism means RATIONAL questions. Calling Bush names or making signs that vulgarly reference alternate meanings of his surname is not rational questioning. I have many close friends whose opinion of the war differs greatly from my own. However, none of my friends have been ignorant enough to call Bush "illigitimate" or to compare his Presidency with a NAZI regime.
As for who has said that Bush is worse than NAZI's, that view is clearly represented by the photoshopped posters, and it is also easily read on signs at protest rallies.
ZV
Originally posted by: SnapIT
May i ask who decides which questions are rational?
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Read it again. It makes sense, really it does, when you're willing to read what I wrote and not what you think I meant.I would point out where I got my point in your post, but I don't feel like copy and pasting your own statements to you. You basically said no one's opinion is worth anything. Atleast, that is how I read it. Then you started talking about sex.
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: SnapIT
May i ask who decides which questions are rational?
The department of homeland security. While it is debated you will be held in prison.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Read it again. It makes sense, really it does, when you're willing to read what I wrote and not what you think I meant.I would point out where I got my point in your post, but I don't feel like copy and pasting your own statements to you. You basically said no one's opinion is worth anything. Atleast, that is how I read it. Then you started talking about sex.
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.
Ok, my opinion is worthless.
His statement is odd here cause he says it isnt as valuable as others if it isnt well thought out but its hard for another to determine if you really put a lot of thought into your opinion. He didn't say your opinion was worthless though. I think he was trying to say that people should think of what they are going to say and put it in a constructive manner because simply saying this sucks and bush is a nazi and you are all communists and blah blah stereotyping helps no one and usually incites anger and is generally, imo total bullshit worth nothing.
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
Expressing my opinion means nothing.
I don't see where he said this. He is saying that simply because you express your opinion doesnt make you right or special or mean you are doing some great act by crticising your country once again you need to think and be constructive. That is how i interpreted it anyway.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
Sex is bad.
Yes that is exactly what he saidhow about you stop being an ass, thats all i have to say about this statement.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Opinion is not worth money.
Obviously he is talking literally about money. Once again stop being an asshole.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it, and we are responsible for listening to each opinion and it's arguments and using our conscience to determine whether someone else's opinion is worth anything to us.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you don't like getting flamed, thrown in prison, or being considered a communist (despite the fact economics have nothing to do with this) don't say anything that does not follow the status quo.
Everyone i know that disagrees with the government gets thrown in jail, have you seen the latest prison reports? Over 2 million arrested today alone!
Yeah, I am not sure exactly where my last post on this came from. One of those early morning things I guess.
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: tcsenter
While you have a right to your opinion, do not ever confuse your right to your opinion as the de facto measure that your opinion, therefore, must be as important or as valuable or as well-founded as all others. Its not.So, basically, what You are implying here, - is that anybody who dares to express a thoght that is different than that of the goverment or that of the media or that of the majority of the population, - is acting childishly and is an attention whore?
I'm impressed by Your intellect and logic!
The right to express your opinion is universal, since everyone has it in the US and it requires no particular intelligence to have just any opinion, you're certainly no more special for doing it, expressing it doesn't make you right.
It would be like exercising your reproduction rights just for the sake of exercising your reproduction rights because you can, without any regard whatsoever to whether you should (i.e. whether or not its a good thing to do). Hey, great, you have 23 children, none of whom you support or can take care of. Kudos for exercising your "rights". There are many problems in this country stemming from people doing various things for no other reason than because they can, not because they have determined they should do it.
So the question, at least in free countries, has never been 'can you voice your opinion', of course you can. The question is whether you should or whether your opinion is worth a thin red cent.
Who will be the judge of who's opinions are better than others? Well, that is your responsibility, primarily. When you fail in that responsibility, when you're so concerned with the "can" that you completely forget to consider the "should", others are just as free to bring to your attention how moronic you are.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you think something is wrong, you SHOULD voice your opinions, that is how great nations are built... If nobody would critizise, how would things improve?
Your logic left the building when you compared critizising ideas that you do not believe in with reproduction...
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I believe that you missed the point of his original post. He was not suggesting that people should not criticise the war. He was simply saying that people should not take out their anger at the war on the soldiers who are just doing their job by fighting it. If someone claims to hate death and yet posts things that make light of the death of a soldier, then it strikes me that there is an incredible incongruity.Originally posted by: SnapIT
So you want him not only to move, but to do a bit of time traveling as well? err... why didn't you just say china or NK or whatever dictatorship of your choice?Originally posted by: Munchies
Still looking for where I said "today"..Can you help me. Usually one someone says nazi germany they are refering to the past. Unless you think germany has Nazi's there today?Originally posted by: SnapIT
Nazi Germany would be hard to move to... In germany today he could say whatever bad things he wants about the government (or the army, or whatever)...Originally posted by: Munchies
For some reason I find that quite disturbing. Vacancies available? Damn. Move to f'n nazi germany and say something bad about them. Be proud that in this country you have the right to criticize. Were protecting that right. To abuse it? get a dick. I wish he was dead (author)Originally posted by: DaWhim
I like this one
Be proud that you have the right by not using it?
BTW, i invoke goodwins law, a bit delayed, but still, i win...
ZV
No, i didn't miss the point, you, OTOH have missed the point entirely...
The thing is, making light of the fact that soldiers die in a war is another argument against war, in every war, soldiers will die, it's not the fault of the soldiers, nobody said that, but to look away from that fact only makes you blind to the horrors of war...
Whatever you stance is, moving to Nazi Germany would be impossible, he even got that part wrong...
Originally posted by: Maleficus
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: SnapIT
May i ask who decides which questions are rational?
The department of homeland security. While it is debated you will be held in prison.
Bullshit much?
how many people do you know that have been thrown in prison by Homeland Security?
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Maleficus
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: SnapIT
May i ask who decides which questions are rational?
The department of homeland security. While it is debated you will be held in prison.
Bullshit much?
how many people do you know that have been thrown in prison by Homeland Security?
That comment was not entirely serious
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Contrary to popular opinion, it is possible to both live in America and to remain up-to-date on world affairs. Living in a country is not a prerequisite for understanding its standard of living and political climate. Nice try.Originally posted by: imprezawrxwagon
How many countries have You lived in, to form an opinion?
How many countries have You visited and stayed in for more than four weeks (to at least, get a shado0w of understanding as to what life there is like)?
ZV