Fun! Which video chip has been renamed/redone the most?

[bluemax]

Since there's been some talk about it lately, let's have some fun!

Name the graphics chipset that had been re-named, re-done, or re-released the most number of times? Be sure to name as many of the re-released as you can...

GAME ON!

 

[aka1nas]

Radeon 8500-->Radeon 9000-->Radeon 9100-->Radeon 9200-->Radeon 9250 (Think the last 3 were die shrinks, but still Dx8 only)

 

[Grooveriding]

8800gt, 8800gts 512, 9800gtx, 9800gtx+, gts 250

probably 8800gt ?

edit, 8800gtx / gts 320/640 probably can be added too, as 8800gt was a shrink of them...

 

[AstroManLuca]

Didn't the GeForce 2MX live on for several further generations as the 4MX and then the FX5200? If I remember correctly, the 4MX was only a slight improvement over the 2MX and had very few actual differences, while the FX5200 was basically the 4MX with really bad DX9 support.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Didn't the GeForce 2MX live on for several further generations as the 4MX and then the FX5200? If I remember correctly, the 4MX was only a slight improvement over the 2MX and had very few actual differences, while the FX5200 was basically the 4MX with really bad DX9 support.

The FX5200 was a new design (think it was a cut-down 5500), you can't really add shaders (not just programmable shaders, as the MXs were Dx7 cards and had no shaders whatsoever) to a GPU and call it a re-spin.

Otherwise, spot on with the Geforce4MX rebadging.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Didn't the GeForce 2MX live on for several further generations as the 4MX and then the FX5200? If I remember correctly, the 4MX was only a slight improvement over the 2MX and had very few actual differences, while the FX5200 was basically the 4MX with really bad DX9 support.

I almost forgot about that one:
GF2MX, GF2MX 200 & 400, GF4MX 420/440/460 and GF2 & GF4MX IGP (crush!)

That's a lot of product reuse... it or the Radeon 8500 and its rebadges & IGPs are pretty close to tied...

 

[Qbah]

Radeons:
8500LE->9000->9100->9200->9250 - first 8500 were 4x2 architectures, the LE and latter were 4x1 (PSxVS) - cut down versions - this is the undisputed "winner" I'd say
9600->X300/X600

GeForce:
GF2MX->GF4MX (the GF4MX was the same with support for better memory)
FX5200->FX5500 (grrrr! )
8800GTS 512->9800GTX->GTS250
8800GT->9800GT->GTS240

And how is a 8800GT the same as a 8800GTS 512? They have different amount of shaders (112vs128) Or a 8800GTX the same as a GTS320/640? If that was the case you could say that HD4830 is the same as HD4850 or the 7800GT the same as 7800GTX - which is nonsense...

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Didn't the GeForce 2MX live on for several further generations as the 4MX and then the FX5200? If I remember correctly, the 4MX was only a slight improvement over the 2MX and had very few actual differences, while the FX5200 was basically the 4MX with really bad DX9 support.

The FX5200 was a new design (think it was a cut-down 5500), you can't really add shaders (not just programmable shaders, as the MXs were Dx7 cards and had no shaders whatsoever) to a GPU and call it a re-spin.

Otherwise, spot on with the Geforce4MX rebadging.

Ah, I got confused because I remember reading back then that the FX5200 actually performed worse in many cases than the already-disappointing 4MX. So it wasn't a reuse of an old design, it was just a really bad new design.

 

[sawtx03]

G92

8800GT, 8800GTS 512MB, 8800GS, 9800GTX, 9800GT, 9600GSO, 9800GTX+, GTS250, GTS240?, GTX280M

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Didn't the GeForce 2MX live on for several further generations as the 4MX and then the FX5200? If I remember correctly, the 4MX was only a slight improvement over the 2MX and had very few actual differences, while the FX5200 was basically the 4MX with really bad DX9 support.

The FX5200 was a new design (think it was a cut-down 5500), you can't really add shaders (not just programmable shaders, as the MXs were Dx7 cards and had no shaders whatsoever) to a GPU and call it a re-spin.

Otherwise, spot on with the Geforce4MX rebadging.

Ah, I got confused because I remember reading back then that the FX5200 actually performed worse in many cases than the already-disappointing 4MX. So it wasn't a reuse of an old design, it was just a really bad new design.

Ya rly, FX5200 genuinely was the new arch, it was just crippled beyond all comprehension

I played most of farcry through alternating between teh fx5200 and a gf4mx440, and it was just plain painful, but at least the water looked half-decent with the fx5200's dx9 mad skillz

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: sawtx03
G92

8800GT, 8800GTS 512MB, 8800GS, 9800GTX, 9800GT, 9600GSO, 9800GTX+, GTS250, GTS240?, GTX280M

Wasn't the 8800GS a G92 derivative?

 

[aka1nas]

Yep, it's amazing that the FX cards had only 4 pixel shaders. :Q

 

[josh6079]

/sigh

I can see it now:

Person A: It's not a rebadge!

Person B: It is a rebadge!

 

[sawtx03]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Wasn't the 8800GS a G92 derivative?

It used a different G92 than the other cards, G92-150, but I would still count it since it is a G92 based card.

 

[nitromullet]

I think 8800GT, 9800GT, and GTS 250 are fair game. Derivatives of the core and/or differently spec'ed cards don't really count IMO. If a re-badge is just "any card that uses the same core and/or derivatives", then the HD 4850, 4870, 4870 1GB, 4850 X2 1GB, 4850 X2 2GB, and 4870 X2 are all 're-badged' cards by that definition, which, clearly they aren't.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I think 8800GT, 9800GT, and GTS 250 are fair game. Derivatives of the core and/or differently spec'ed cards don't really count IMO. If a re-badge is just "any card that uses the same core and/or derivatives", then the HD 4850, 4870, 4870 1GB, 4850 X2 1GB, 4850 X2 2GB, and 4870 X2 are all 're-badged' cards by that definition, which, clearly they aren't.

Agreed.
But I would also add GTX280M to the list of G92 rebadges.
It's the same core but tweaked slightly for mobile use.
8800/9800/250/280M

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Qbah
Radeons:
8500LE->9000->9100->9200->9250 - first 8500 were 4x2 architectures, the LE and latter were 4x1 (PSxVS) - cut down versions - this is the undisputed "winner" I'd say
9600->X300/X600

GeForce:
GF2MX->GF4MX (the GF4MX was the same with support for better memory)
FX5200->FX5500 (grrrr! )
8800GTS 512->9800GTX->GTS250
8800GT->9800GT->GTS240

And how is a 8800GT the same as a 8800GTS 512? They have different amount of shaders (112vs128) Or a 8800GTX the same as a GTS320/640? If that was the case you could say that HD4830 is the same as HD4850 or the 7800GT the same as 7800GTX - which is nonsense...

The 9100 was 100% identical to the original 8500, both were 4x2 designs.

 

[Schmide]

nVidia g98

9300M GS
9300M G (not sure)
9200M GS
9100M G
8400 GS

Could we have a winner with the

nVidia g96

9700M GT
9700M GS
9650M GT
9600M GT
9600M GS
9500M G
9500 GT
9500 GS
9400 GT (one legged bastard son)

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Qbah
And how is a 8800GT the same as a 8800GTS 512? They have different amount of shaders (112vs128) Or a 8800GTX the same as a GTS320/640? If that was the case you could say that HD4830 is the same as HD4850 or the 7800GT the same as 7800GTX - which is nonsense...

Because they're all based on the G92...disabling parts of the same chip to perform at a lower level doesn't make it a new chip.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
I think 8800GT, 9800GT, and GTS 250 are fair game. Derivatives of the core and/or differently spec'ed cards don't really count IMO. If a re-badge is just "any card that uses the same core and/or derivatives", then the HD 4850, 4870, 4870 1GB, 4850 X2 1GB, 4850 X2 2GB, and 4870 X2 are all 're-badged' cards by that definition, which, clearly they aren't.

Yeah, I understand your point, but the HD 4830, 4850 and HD 4870 are binned, targeting different markets with the same GPU in the same family, pretty much the same that Intel does for their CPU's, but for me a rebadging is using a previous used GPU for a brand new SKU, like the GTS 250, I feel pity for the soul who owns a 8800GTS 512 and buys a GTS 250 thinking that's doing an upgrade because all those 8800GT, 8800GTS 512, 9800GT, etc blah blah uses the same identical GPU, nothing changes at all!!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: sawtx03
G92

8800GT, 8800GTS 512MB, 8800GS, 9800GTX, 9800GT, 9600GSO, 9800GTX+, GTS250, GTS240?, GTX280M

Wasn't the 8800GS a G92 derivative?

my 9600 gso is way better than your 8800gs!!!

 

[evolucion8]

Kely's 9600GSO song;

My Vantage's score brings all the geeks to the yard
And my 9600GSO
Is better than your 8800GS
Damn right, is faster than yours
I can show you
But I don't want to

LOL

 

[sawtx03]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
Yeah, I understand your point, but the HD 4830, 4850 and HD 4870 are binned, targeting different markets with the same GPU in the same family, pretty much the same that Intel does for their CPU's, but for me a rebadging is using a previous used GPU for a brand new SKU, like the GTS 250, I feel pity for the soul who owns a 8800GTS 512 and buys a GTS 250 thinking that's doing an upgrade because all those 8800GT, 8800GTS 512, 9800GT, etc blah blah uses the same identical GPU, nothing changes at all!!

The 8800GT and 9800GT use G92s that don't have all their shaders unlocked(112 vs. 128), like with the 4830 vs. 4850.

 

[evolucion8]

Yeah, they have their shaders disabled, but essentially is the same GPU.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

R480...
X850 XT PE, X850 XT, X850 Pro, X800 GTO2, X800 GTO, X800 GT.

And R580
X1950 XTX, X1950 XT, X1900 XTX, X1900 XT, X1900 GT

I've always wanted to turn my X800 GT into an X800 XT/Pro (since my version is R420), but Sapphire laser-cut it and I don't have the tools nor steady hands to work around it.