Funny driver obeservation

[Acanthus]

Hey guys, since the recent demise of my power supply i have been forced to game on my E1505 laptop with Integrated Intel EXtREEM graphix!! (yeah, minimum settings all the time)

What ive come to find is even on ancient drivers, every game ive installed and played, from old to new, works flawlessly (despite being slow).

No crashing, no artifacts, no corruption, no bugs, no stalls... It just works.

I just find it hilarious that Intel, who is barely in the 3d gaming market, has such stable and reliable drivers, espeically since they arent updated nearly as often as ATi or NV...

Its probably the simplicity of the core + always running on low settings in games though that helps stability. :laugh:

Just thought it was odd that Intel can get their $2 POS graphics chip built into a northbridge more stable than ATi and NV can on $500 dedicated hardware :roll:

That being said, I am DIEING to get my power supply back.

 

[dguy6789]

Most people do not have any problems at all with either ATI or nVidia. You only hear about the few who do have problems. This forum would be overloaded if everyone who had no problems posted about it.

 

[Acanthus]

As someone who has built hundreds of computers over the years, i can safely say that both companies have a laundry list of problems with almost every driver they release...

It just depends on which games you play and features you utilize to whether you have problems or not...

Youre right though, there are people who buy a new graphics card and play 2 games with it regularly (MMO players, CS kiddies, etc), they usually dont encounter issues.

Edit: morning idiocy removed.

 

[BFG10K]

Like you said:

Its probably the simplicity of the core + always running on low settings in games though that helps stability.

 

[Acanthus]

Something else i didnt think of earlier, theres only 2 chips in their line, as opposed to the massive unified drivers ATi and NV use.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Hey guys, since the recent demise of my power supply i have been forced to game on my E1505 laptop with Integrated Intel EXtREEM graphix!! (yeah, minimum settings all the time)

What ive come to find is even on ancient drivers, every game ive installed and played, from old to new, works flawlessly (despite being slow).

No crashing, no artifacts, no corruption, no bugs, no stalls... It just works.

I just find it hilarious that Intel, who is barely in the 3d gaming market, has such stable and reliable drivers, espeically since they arent updated nearly as often as ATi or NV...

Its probably the simplicity of the core + always running on low settings in games though that helps stability. :laugh:

Just thought it was odd that Intel can get their $2 POS graphics chip built into a northbridge more stable than ATi and NV can on $500 dedicated hardware :roll:

That being said, I am DIEING to get my power supply back.

That's all well and good but where's the "extreme" in their performance (except extremely poor). Intel need to produce higher end cards to get any sort of enthusiast following.

I'd like to see Intel put a 8 pipe card with full hardware feature support found in ATI or nVidia chips onto their northbridge. If they can manage that hardware feat then i'll give them props on their software.

 

[Chocolate Pi]

Actually, I have run into a few problems with programs like Google Earth and running extended or clone displays on Intel chips... Not new ones though, that might explain it.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

On some of their older chips (extreme and extreme2), I often had graphics glitches in games. I can't name which ones now though, I don't remember.

 

[xtknight]

I have always trusted Intel's drivers. They have great quality control. Though slower, my Intel P4 box would beat out this Athlon 64 machine any day for stability and reliability.

They probably catch more code exceptions (a more "Managed" matter) and actually handle them. This does make it slower, but also a lot more stable. On the flipside, with ATI/NVIDIA you are given speed ultimately at the mercy of the reliability of the programmer.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Hey guys, since the recent demise of my power supply i have been forced to game on my E1505 laptop with Integrated Intel EXtREEM graphix!! (yeah, minimum settings all the time)

What ive come to find is even on ancient drivers, every game ive installed and played, from old to new, works flawlessly (despite being slow).

No crashing, no artifacts, no corruption, no bugs, no stalls... It just works.

I just find it hilarious that Intel, who is barely in the 3d gaming market, has such stable and reliable drivers, espeically since they arent updated nearly as often as ATi or NV...

Its probably the simplicity of the core + always running on low settings in games though that helps stability. :laugh:

Just thought it was odd that Intel can get their $2 POS graphics chip built into a northbridge more stable than ATi and NV can on $500 dedicated hardware :roll:

That being said, I am DIEING to get my power supply back.

1. You likely don't have a GPU, but rather just an old school style graphics chip. It isn't anywhere near as complex as modern cards and doesn't really do much but draw pixels to the screen.

2. My Intel GMA900 has quite a lot of problems with games and crashing or graphics corruption.

3. It's probably easier to make drivers that run games correctly when they don't try to "optimize." ATI and Nvidia do a lot of stuff for performance with both the API and on a per game basis that could possibly cause problems.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Hey guys, since the recent demise of my power supply i have been forced to game on my E1505 laptop with Integrated Intel EXtREEM graphix!! (yeah, minimum settings all the time)

What ive come to find is even on ancient drivers, every game ive installed and played, from old to new, works flawlessly (despite being slow).

No crashing, no artifacts, no corruption, no bugs, no stalls... It just works.

I just find it hilarious that Intel, who is barely in the 3d gaming market, has such stable and reliable drivers, espeically since they arent updated nearly as often as ATi or NV...

Its probably the simplicity of the core + always running on low settings in games though that helps stability. :laugh:

Just thought it was odd that Intel can get their $2 POS graphics chip built into a northbridge more stable than ATi and NV can on $500 dedicated hardware :roll:

That being said, I am DIEING to get my power supply back.

1. You likely don't have a GPU, but rather just an old school style graphics chip. It isn't anywhere near as complex as modern cards and doesn't really do much but draw pixels to the screen.

2. My Intel GMA900 has quite a lot of problems with games and crashing or graphics corruption.

3. It's probably easier to make drivers that run games correctly when they don't try to "optimize." ATI and Nvidia do a lot of stuff for performance with both the API and on a per game basis that could possibly cause problems.

It supports DX9... (obviously it cant really run anything shader heavy)

The crashing and graphics corruption might be in games that dont support Intel graphics? (there are a few).

Youre probably right on point #3.

 

[Fox5]

My GMA900 crashes on games like Guild Wars, Empire at War, and crashes in 3dmark06 as well.
It crashes more often at higher settings (even if performance isn't bad, perhaps extra heat is too much for it to coup with? though it appears to be a memory error when it crashes, perhaps related to the dynamically allocated vid memory), but can crash at any time really.

 

[nitromullet]

I have a Dell at work with an integrated Intel chip, and it displays wavy red lines on the screen. It does this all the time so it's not driver related, but it's still crappy. I replaced it with a TNT2, and it took care of the problem.

I have always trusted Intel's drivers. They have great quality control. Though slower, my Intel P4 box would beat out this Athlon 64 machine any day for stability and reliability.

I'd have to say I agree, my old Northwood/Springdale box was the most stable PC I've ever owned. My current rig is stable as well, but there were a few details that had to be ironed out to make it that way. An AMD cpu with a NVIDIA chipset has become a pretty stable combo IMO. When I compare that to my Thunderbird/ALi backup rig, you can really see how far AMD has come with NVIDIA's help.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Fox5
My GMA900 crashes on games like Guild Wars, Empire at War, and crashes in 3dmark06 as well.
It crashes more often at higher settings (even if performance isn't bad, perhaps extra heat is too much for it to coup with? though it appears to be a memory error when it crashes, perhaps related to the dynamically allocated vid memory), but can crash at any time really.

Im almost positive 3dm'06 does not support intel chips.

Guild wars suprises me though...

To the person with the red lines... sounds like faulty hardware.

 

[nitromullet]

To the person with the red lines... sounds like faulty hardware.

No doubt, the point was more than Intel is not above issues.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Fox5
My GMA900 crashes on games like Guild Wars, Empire at War, and crashes in 3dmark06 as well.
It crashes more often at higher settings (even if performance isn't bad, perhaps extra heat is too much for it to coup with? though it appears to be a memory error when it crashes, perhaps related to the dynamically allocated vid memory), but can crash at any time really.

Im almost positive 3dm'06 does not support intel chips.

Guild wars suprises me though...

To the person with the red lines... sounds like faulty hardware.

Sorry, I meant 3dmark05. It may not support it either, but that's the version I was using.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

To the person with the red lines... sounds like faulty hardware.

No doubt, the point was more than Intel is not above issues.

Yeah but i didnt say anything about intel hardware being impervious or good in any way... just that the drivers are good.

 

[TheRyuu]

Well, Intel Dominates the graphics industry with the largest market share.