Funny story - Porsche GT3 vs. Ricers

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MazerRackham

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I was wondering why Toyota stopped production of the Supra. Are they ever going to bring it back? It seems like with the current import racing craze they could really make some jack if they started making more of those babies.
 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: MazerRackham
I was wondering why Toyota stopped production of the Supra. Are they ever going to bring it back? It seems like with the current import racing craze they could really make some jack if they started making more of those babies.
I'd be willing to bet they will resurrect the nameplate in some form like they did with the MR2. Nissan and Mazda have already brought back their sports coupes, and the name "Supra" is still very recognizable (sounds cool too).
 

incallisto

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Why does everyone have this obvious hatred for Rice? It's a wonderful side dish and is a favourite among the wealthy and less fortunate. (Sarcasm intended).
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: MazerRackham
I was wondering why Toyota stopped production of the Supra. Are they ever going to bring it back? It seems like with the current import racing craze they could really make some jack if they started making more of those babies.

Emissions and lagging sales due to the boom of SUVs is what killed the Supra... RX-7...300ZX...3000GT and MR2 Turbo... both Mazda's RX-8 and Nissan's 350Z are no longer turbocharged to make sure they pass the strict emissions here in the US. If you've seen prototypes of what is supposedly the new Supra... it looks really ugly... and it is rumored to be powered by a V8 instead. The only japanese turbo cars that are still alive here is the WRX... and the soon to be available Lancer Evo... I think that's about it... even the new eclipse is normally aspirated now.
 

KokomoGST

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Well, I think it's more the changing market rather than emissions... the Supra and various other cars could have all still passed emissions in non-CA level states. The final death of the Japanese supercars recently like the Supra, FD RX7, Skyline GTR, Silvia are all from increased emissions standards in Japan... the Supra is in it's last year of production as are all the other cars on the list above. So sad...

Though I am glad Mitsu is bringing the 4G63T back to the states... I saw the spy shots of the Evo 8... fugly... and not the brutish kind of ugly. More like the Pontiac Sunfire kind of ugly... eww.
 

CocaCola5

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There was a 360(Modena) and a GT3 side by side at a car show I was at and a guy next to me asked which one was better and I said the Porsche(GT3) was, more rare plus faster to boot.

ED; I am probably biased because the GT3 happens to be my favorite super sports car.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: lizium
I just heard this story this morning, I wasn?t present but a friend of mine who was there on a few occasions retold it to me. My good buddy is friends with a guy who is into car import business, mostly exotics. They recently resold a 2001 Porsche GT3, which he basically had for a few weeks to drive! It just came from Germany, and needed US conversions, so he drove this thing around town in the meantime. He had a 355 birlenetta before that. Too bad I didn?t know about this earlier, hehe.

tha GT3 Check it out. COPY AND PASTE:

http://www.geocities.com/lizium/jimmy-gt3.jpg (edit stupid host doesnt allow BBS images)

So given the fact that most people don?t know what the fruck a GT3 is, he was always getting into sh1t with ricers on the street trying to race him. He was being conservative at first, since it?s not his $150,000 peace of carbon fiber, but then he finally snapped and raced some ricer. The dude in his riced up supra pulled in, and was like "what you got in there" so Jimmy (the guy driving GT3) goes "Nothing, its all strock", the ricer laughs and goes at it as soon as they pass first few feet onto the freeway ramp (apparently the ricer followed him to the freeway). The supra revs and pulls ahead doing about 90 mph, while Jimmy is still thinking about it, doing his legal 55. After a few seconds of hesitation he shifts 3'rd, within a second or two flying past the supra, shifts 4'th while the supra is a few hundred feet behind him, then finally shifts 5'th doing 160 or so mph and breaks to legal speed again.

He said he kept doing little races like that for a few more days, with Vettes and all sorts of ricers. Then he was enjoying himself so much, he kept telling people that it was a regular non-turbo 911, with a wide body kit hahaha, the poor civic lovers must have pissed their pants trying to see what him them.

Apparently this thing can do 190+ MHP and 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.

Buahahaha, the GT3 is da sh!t. And it's faster than 4.6 seconds 0-60. It's closer to 4.

From Edmunds.com:

The car's 3.6-liter boxer six, borrowed from the GT1 racecar, develops 360 horsepower at 7200 rpm and 273 foot-pounds of torque at 5000 rpm. The GT3 moves from zero to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds. Top speed is estimated at 187 mph. The engine is mated to a six-speed transmission derived from the race-tuned gearbox of the 911 GT2. The transmission allows for simple replacement of individual gears and synchromesh rings, parts that require frequent attention from motorsports enthusiasts.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Well, seems like some people have a different concept of what "rice" is... ricers is a short unisex term for riceboys in my definition. And riceboys do not have any true performance in their cars. So a sub13 second Supra TT MkIV is not ricer. It's JAP... go ahead... call it Jap all you friggin want... I don't care. $28k for a used Supra TT + 30k in mods will have you running with the GT3 or GT2 if you know your $hit. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they absolutely blew the Porsche out of the water. For 40k in mods... I wouldn't be surprised if you were pumping out 800+hp... weight? lag? so what... you'd annhilate anything in your path with just raw power.

Supras are raced in many forms of professional competition in Japan as are other Japanese supercars. Yes, I said supercars. Sure, Porsches and other exotics are fine pieces of engineering but you can't tell me a built Supra or Skyline GTR (or supercar killers like EVOs & WRXs) can't annhilate them for far less money? Heck, the R34 GTR VspecII has a price that's pretty far up there and the turnkey speed to match. Heck, in some race competition classes, the Skyline was actually banned because it was just too fast. I believe that an Evo owns the 2nd place time on Nurburgring after the GT2.

Oh, and it's not like exotics are terribly reliable either... they are kinda expected to break down when run hard. Modified Supras are actually very reliable if they're tuned correctly. Their engines are horrendously overengineered unlike the tightrope dance that most exotics are. Pootech where are you getting this "engine wear" stuff from? Operational engine wear is not what causes tuned high performance cars to break. Detonation, overboost, holed pistons, overheating, etcetc. and other maladies are to blame for killing engines. Running nitrous (NOS is a company!!) _properly_ will mean reliable and effective boost in hp as long as there's something left in your bottle. And 240 in a Supra not being all boost? Well, actually... it would be all boost since the majority of the power to make it to 240mph would have to be provided by the turbos... that's boost. Pooteh, I'm sorry but you need to do some more homework.

That goddamn movie ruined it for all the real import enthusiasts.
Oh, and don't knock us Eclipses... there's a reason why Supras, DSMs, and RX7s dominate the Sport Compact Street tire classes. 9-10second ets are nothing to sneeze at on street tires.

EDIT: grammar and defending DSM honor



OMG this guy actually knows what he is talking about! I am suprised. Also thanks for pointing out that NOS is a company and not the name for Nitrous.

 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: lizium
Yes they are legal; power has nothing to do with it. As long as the car meets bumper and emission requirements, and some basic crash test its good to go.

190 mhp is not smooth sailing, but its VERY drivable. I rido in Ferarri's and all kinds of Porsches when i lived in Germany, and 300kmh (about 180 mph) is nothign special, people with fast cars drive like that every day, and spoiled bastards with their F40's and EB110's do well over 200mph on clear roads, i've seen it.


Unfortunately, the GT3 will not be sold in North America due to the prohibitive costs of making it street legal.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: PCboy
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
A Supra, rice?? Did I miss something? I always thought that ricing refered to the practice of making your car LOOK fast as opposed to making it GO fast. A stock MKIV TT Supra has 330 HP. (that's more than the stock Z28 Camaro) That's fast in my book, not rice. Even my modest MKIII Supra boasts 230 HP stock, and I would never consider my car in the same league as ridiculously modified Integras, Civics, Eclipses, and all that other 4 cylinder crap. Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

Exactly. It's weird how the NSX is not considered a ricer car to some people. As most people would say "Honda = Rice". It must be because it WAS NOT in that stupid movie.

How can the NSX be considered rice?
 

lizium

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Trust me, it can hit better than 4.7... that was an early estimate. Its more like 4.2, cause he raced a 00' 911 turbo (his buddie's), and it barely pulled ahead just a tad, but he smoked it switching to 4'th, the GT3 shines at higher REV's, more efficient engine. But yeah, turbos make all the difference on the street
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boyRacer

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The turbo shares some parts with the GT3... i would bet the GT3 would be awesome during track days... i wet my pants just thinking about it... Porsche is usually very conservative about their times anyway... 4.7 or 4.2... for all I care... GT3 is still my favorite Porsche. =)
 

PCboy

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: PCboy
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
A Supra, rice?? Did I miss something? I always thought that ricing refered to the practice of making your car LOOK fast as opposed to making it GO fast. A stock MKIV TT Supra has 330 HP. (that's more than the stock Z28 Camaro) That's fast in my book, not rice. Even my modest MKIII Supra boasts 230 HP stock, and I would never consider my car in the same league as ridiculously modified Integras, Civics, Eclipses, and all that other 4 cylinder crap. Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

Exactly. It's weird how the NSX is not considered a ricer car to some people. As most people would say "Honda = Rice". It must be because it WAS NOT in that stupid movie.

How can the NSX be considered rice?

The NSX should not be considered a ricer car because of its expensive price. However, that movie made some people think that all Hondas are rice cars. Civics, Integras, Preludes, Accords, RSX, and their bodykit addons that are unpainted = ricer? I dunno but if the term ricer is classified with asians driving these types of cars but what if those drivers are...let's say mexicans? I see some hispanics driving cars with unpainted spoilers, unpainted lips, unpainted hood, and what should they be called? Mexirs?

 

LongCoolMother

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"a viper looks like it will eat a porsche"

LOL! anyway, how is all toyota ricer and all honda ricer? i also thought the definition of a ricer car was a car that looked high performing but actually isnt. are you saying a normal civic is still a ricer?

btw. my brother just got an S2000 2002 model earlier this week. is that a ricer? he doesnt have anything on it at least, no body kits/mods etc.
 

NotoriousJTC

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Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
btw. my brother just got an S2000 2002 model earlier this week. is that a ricer? he doesnt have anything on it at least, no body kits/mods etc.

Your brother is NOT a ricer.

However, if he soon decides to add a wide body kit, slap 10 stickers on it, fart can muffler, and add the obligatory double decker 'i-believe-i-can-fly' Wing to it, then he will have officially wandered into Riceville.

My definition of a ricer is simple. If you add asthetic exterior mods to make your car to LOOK faster and SOUND faster, without having done anything to actually make the car GO faster, then you are infact, a ricer. Adding a turbo or doing significant engine upgrades that enhances the cars normal performance to that of a true sports car effectively lifts you from that ricer group and makes you, a racer (or whatever the opposite of ricer is ).
 
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Why is everyone comparing a GT3 to a car that isn't even in production anymore? It's another "my car with $5k in mods will smoke any Viper/Porsche" thread. So a GT3 driver blew away a Supra owner that could have been a stock non-Turbo'ed Supra for all we know, or it could have been a souped up MKIV TT Supra with a really bad driver. Who cares?

And what do 500, 600, and 700hp Supras all have in common? They all run 12's (Just fvcking with you guys)
 

Lithium381

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Hrm, i'd hate to say it, but a supra is the most powerful car i've ever riden in....not sure which year, but wheeeeeee! i was thinking of buying one, but i don't think it has enough trunk space for my computer and all my stuff when going to lan parties
 

Pooteh

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Originally posted by: NotoriousJTC
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
btw. my brother just got an S2000 2002 model earlier this week. is that a ricer? he doesnt have anything on it at least, no body kits/mods etc.

Your brother is NOT a ricer.

However, if he soon decides to add a wide body kit, slap 10 stickers on it, fart can muffler, and add the obligatory double decker 'i-believe-i-can-fly' Wing to it, then he will have officially wandered into Riceville.

My definition of a ricer is simple. If you add asthetic exterior mods to make your car to LOOK faster and SOUND faster, without having done anything to actually make the car GO faster, then you are infact, a ricer. Adding a turbo or doing significant engine upgrades that enhances the cars normal performance to that of a true sports car effectively lifts you from that ricer group and makes you, a racer (or whatever the opposite of ricer is ).

actually i don't think theres much you could do to make an s2k a ricer its fast to begin with ...which is the problem. a civic with a sticker isn't fast. a s2k with a sticker is fast no matter what

 

Bobomatic

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WOW, that was a seriously beautiful story. I have never herd of the gt3, it seems pretty sweet. And earlier in the thread, The McLaren could kill this car, but think about the price to performance ratio. dont get me wrong though, mclaren is my fav.
 

lizium

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However, if he soon decides to add a wide body kit, slap 10 stickers on it, fart can muffler, and add the obligatory double decker 'i-believe-i-can-fly' Wing to it, then he will have officially wandered into Riceville.

haha that just made my day.
 

WT

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This kid down the block just got a Ford 2WD Ranger pickup, with some cheapo Cragar rims and added a few stickers to his ride. I'd call that a ricerunner even if it wasn't an American owned company. Apparently the "Pioneer" stickers on the side of the quarterpanel improve the 1/4 mile times. He was out revving it up this morning at 8:00, trying to build up sufficient oil pressure to keep that ragged out 2.9 motor up and running. On to the next point .. adding a freakin' towel drying rack, errr ... spoiler wing .. in the back adds to the ridiculous look, at least those three tiered jobbies that look like they block 90% of the drivers rear view. And please don't think that 22" rims on a Focus adds to the visual appeal. I saw a car the other day with about 1" of rubber showing... lol .. I wanted to watch that guy pull out and bang his head on the headliner braces. Well, he MIGHT do that IF his dum@ss was sitting in the seat at a proper angle. Add a blue wig onto these ricers heads and I'd swear it was Grandma behind the wheel of that Civic with a VTEC (sticker) and his head visible only from the eyeballs on up to other drivers. Oh well, we all hafta grow up and behave like adults SOONER or later.
 
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