They've already made up their mind to hate the card so yea why would AMD bother with them? BTW if you read that thread (do so at your own risk) they are backtracking and saying the hang up deal was completely innocent, hearing the price and disconnecting the line was not about the price at all it just happened to occur at that point. I mean come on....Have you read the comments in the "paper launch" thread at (H)? They damned the card even before they received a sample. What's the point of sending them a sample if the conclusions have already been drawn?
No, 2 years ago they were quite professional. No forum trolling or that stuff.
It all started with GameWorks. They bench games with it, a lot of times GW features are on.
They even blamed AMD for bad performance in NV GameWorks sponsored titles but they never bothered to notice or even mention, in a neutral title, AMD performs just fine. Even Kepler performs great in neutral titles.
And they've been trolling AMD ever since. Now they expect to keep on getting kind treatment from AMD in return?
Wow that was very disrespectful. That's disgraceful etiquette from a well known review site. I would not send them a card.
That's why I'm not in marketing, but point is AMD shouldn't burn bridges.
No, I see that point. However, the counterpoint is AMD is going to sour themselves with reviewers who either know Kyle personally or will side will Kyle just from a reviewer standpoint. Also AMD will lose the site's reader base. Unless your Apple or a small business it's not a good tactic in my opinion.
No, 2 years ago they were quite professional. No forum trolling or that stuff.
It all started with GameWorks. They bench games with it, a lot of times GW features are on.
They even blamed AMD for bad performance in NV GameWorks sponsored titles but they never bothered to notice or even mention, in a neutral title, AMD performs just fine. Even Kepler performs great in neutral titles.
And they've been trolling AMD ever since. Now they expect to keep on getting kind treatment from AMD in return?
Dying Light, Witcher 3, MGS V, Fallout 4 ,Fable legends, and ARK Survival are grantee to contest for Game of the year 2015 which are all Nvidia sponsored so can tell any AMD sponsored game which can compete with them.H loves to bench Nvidia sponsored games then claims innocence or says they are the best selling games. I think it was here someone posted that was not the case at all the titles used were pretty far down the list, at least some of them.
Awesome. Is it new or used? Can you link the website if possible?
Dying Light, Witcher 3, MGS V, Fallout 4 ,Fable legends, and ARK Survival are grantee to contest for Game of the year 2015 which are all Nvidia sponsored so can tell any AMD sponsored game which can compete with them.
Dying Light, Witcher 3, MGS V, Fallout 4 ,Fable legends, and ARK Survival are grantee to contest for Game of the year 2015 which are all Nvidia sponsored so can tell any AMD sponsored game which can compete with them.
H loves to bench Nvidia sponsored games then claims innocence or says they are the best selling games. I think it was here someone posted that was not the case at all the titles used were pretty far down the list, at least some of them.
Dying Light
Project Cars
were the two I remember since it was myself who was talking about it.
Which are both games that I think make ZERO sense as to why they're benched since very few people bought them. They're games that tax systems, but there are definitely better games to use than those.
Project Cars the only reason I can let that slide is that there are racing sim die hards....
But Dying Light? I don't get the extreme hype around a game that no one bought that it needed to be included in so many reviews over and over again.
It's why I want to start reviewing lol. I already make decent disposable income, with far more earning potential down the road, and I hate the fact that people are overly nice in reviews. Just tell it how it is, rip it apart if it has to, but I WANT A REAL OPINION.
Not just "EVery product is an 8.5+!"
Just plagiarizing RussianSensation alone would be enough for me to start a blog lol.
It is. If it wasn't for Wasabi Mango Korean displays, I'd have a 980ti right now. It's the best performance I can get for the price. But since I can use freesync at 4K on an "HDTV"? Then, I'll try it. But for EVERY person who is normal, and will buy a TV/has a TV already with HDMI2.0? Ya... AMD shot themselves in the food hard. No HDMI 2.0 but screaming this is a 4K card that can do SFF for HTPC? Lol.....
VSR is huge though. Just 1440p VSR adds a massive difference for me at 80 inches. I only want a new card to get more VSR lol. I'm going to try an R9 290/x for the meantime though. The value is just too good there, especially if I crossfire, to get new card.
It is frustrating. Either there is obvious bias in the review(and sad to say I think there are more pro Nvidia sites skewing everything) for a certain company or the reviewer is afraid of offending the company supplying the sample and declares everything is amazing. I saw some of the comments from Hardocp and it's blatantly obvious they have some anti AMD agenda going on. how you bash a product so relentlessly without reviewing the product first or understanding the target audience. I'm trying really hard to remain in the sidelines and not form an opinion either way for either company, but some of the utter garbage I see from review sites does make me wonder if Nvidia is going around paying people off. Take for example last year when Maxwell came out.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html
At the end their conclusion is "Oh, and AMD seems fucked"
You can wrap it up by saying we recommend this amazing product over everything else on the market right now, but this childish outburst just reeks of cheerleading for one side. How can I trust another review from Techpowerup if they end a review clearly cheering for the demise of one company.
Is it too much to ask for review sites to do their job without bias. To be professional, to be objective without resorting to cheerleading for one company over another, and to give honest product reviews even if they have to be harsh. Yeah this reviews are almost worthless now it makes me cringe. After all, a review is absolutely worthless if contains bias and lacks objectiveness.
well said. The problem is none of these tech review sites have a business model which is completely independent of ad revenue. The biggest ad spender in the GPU industry is Nvidia. AMD cannot even pay for R&D leave alone advertising.
Anyway the current situation in the GPU industry is bad as AMD is weak and uncompetitive, getting hammered in market share and badly losing money. We saw this happen in CPUs over the last 5 years after that wretched Bulldozer launched. But the ill effects of that miserable architecture / product has now systemically affected AMD as a company. This is a clear case where one sick division pulls down the whole company.
The writing on the wall is clear. 2016 is do or die for AMD. If Zen and GCN2 both don't succeed AMD is dead. :thumbsdown:
Take for example last year when Maxwell came out.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html
At the end their conclusion is "Oh, and AMD seems fucked"
Bad language doesn't make the statement true.Being offended by bad language doesn't make the statement false.
Bad language doesn't make the statement true.
Would you give it to these fools?
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041819470&postcount=6
They don't even realize their forum has a huge mITX enthusiast group?
I'll take your word for hardocp's recent AMD stances. I'm just looking at it from a startup point of view and hardocp being customer/investor type. Even if you don't like investor\customer personally, they could have sway with anyone else you meet as it's small world. I do commend AMD for taking a stand so I hope this doesn't hurt them with Nano and in the future.
EDIT: Ah man, after reading that Paper launch thread it would pain me to give them a card too. Shame, I always liked how hardocp did their reviews as they're subjective take was different. I skipped conclusions anyways so probably will still use them.
Wise choice and excellent card.Just closed on a Sapphire Trix R9 290 for $200.
So happy I waited and lost out on other deals. Seems the TriXX cooler has only gotten better though.
They've already made up their mind to hate the card so yea why would AMD bother with them? BTW if you read that thread (do so at your own risk) they are backtracking and saying the hang up deal was completely innocent, hearing the price and disconnecting the line was not about the price at all it just happened to occur at that point. I mean come on....
More likely the reason they think they shouldn't buy one for is because they've already decided what the review is going to be.
+1Kyle and Brent spent the last week bashing AMD in that thread at [H] and they're now surprised that AMD isn't sending them a card to review? Some big egos over at [H] really stepped in it with the way they have handled this...lol! I quit that place a couple of years ago because the guys who run the place play favorites there, like it's some cool kids club. I could envision the meeting at AMD and someone asking "Are we really going to send these guys a card to review after they told everyone that they hung up on us because of the price?" That and they were questioning the design of the card, who would even be interested in it at that price and a variety of other 'issues' they had with it. BLAM! Review over. Now that they aren't getting a freebie to test they said that they will buy one of their own. They then added that they don't really know why they should do so, almost as if they were pouting about losing out on the freebie and not wanting to give AMD any business...lol!
Really professional!
Dying Light, Witcher 3, MGS V, Fallout 4 ,Fable legends, and ARK Survival are grantee to contest for Game of the year 2015 which are all Nvidia sponsored so can tell any AMD sponsored game which can compete with them.