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Face2Face

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Voltage alone means nothing, and no , quality is not bad at all, quite the contrary...

In that case the overclocking to 1215MHz get you 69% more power than at stock, it s exactly the same if you overclock a Nvidia card by 30% while keeping the same voltage margin for the GPU, there s no miracles contrary to what we can read here and there..

Now the important part is the perf delta for said frequency delta, is there some numbers..??.

Umm what... I was talking about the quality of the video. It's so bad that I couldn't make out the final + XXXmv applied. I also don't understand your 69% more power remark...
 

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It's a pretty sad shame that nobody here can be bothered to actually go check out the video on the youtube page itself and read what this guy has to say - it would've stopped a lot of pointless comments.

He's using the Peltier watercooler and even working on LN2 cooling for the Fury X right now - the bios have a problem differentiating between 0C and 100C, so it's downclocking the card by accident when too cold currently. That aftermarket cooling is also the reason why the huge volts he's pushing through are no big deal right now.

He's also stated that driver and bios issues are the reason he's running into mistaken downclocking by the card during testing, and part of the reason that much volage is needed.

Some kind of tweaked afterburner/bios release may come from him once he's nailed down how to stop the bios from downclocking the card during overvoltage.

Otherwise, keep on whining while doing nothing with your own cards except viewing message boards and whining
 

tential

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It's a pretty sad shame that nobody here can be bothered to actually go check out the video on the youtube page itself and read what this guy has to say - it would've stopped a lot of pointless comments.

He's using the Peltier watercooler and even working on LN2 cooling for the Fury X right now - the bios have a problem differentiating between 0C and 100C, so it's downclocking the card by accident when too cold currently. That aftermarket cooling is also the reason why the huge volts he's pushing through are no big deal right now.

He's also stated that driver and bios issues are the reason he's running into mistaken downclocking by the card during testing, and part of the reason that much volage is needed.

Some kind of tweaked afterburner/bios release may come from him once he's nailed down how to stop the bios from downclocking the card during overvoltage.

Otherwise, keep on whining while doing nothing with your own cards except viewing message boards and whining
I'll speak for myself, I can't stand youtube and rarely ever will watch someone's video or click to the site.
 

Face2Face

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doublebasslacy 1 hour ago

Thanks ill keep that in mind 1.45 is clearly way to much for stock...but my fury x is not stock it is T.E.C peltier cooled. once all the bugs are sorted with the cards bios throttling down to 300mhz once the core goes below 0C it will have 1.65v for full LN2 cooled OCing.
 

3DVagabond

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I'll speak for myself, I can't stand youtube and rarely ever will watch someone's video or click to the site.

I doubt that was directed at you. More likely the people who are questioning the validity/technique and haven't bothered to actually watch the vid.
 

tential

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I doubt that was directed at you. More likely the people who are questioning the validity/technique and haven't bothered to actually watch the vid.
Ah probably. I just don't think amd would throw that crazy of a cooler on fury x and not have decent oc potential.

I'm interested in seeing fury cf vs 390x cf with oc unlocked (not fury x).
 

Sabrewings

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The card was advertised as being able to handle 500w load right? Or the cooler was.... So that's how I see it as well. Ocers dream in that no matter how noob you are you are guaranteed a good oc?

AMD "says" that it has a 500w able cooler. I beg to differ, but that is mostly anchored in what I find acceptable for coolant temperatures. The hotter your coolant temp the more efficient your radiator moves heat (greater delta T to ambient). However, it also means that your silicon is that much hotter to be able to move heat into the coolant efficiently. At 500w through a 120mm radiator, that silicon is going to be extremely toasty. My thick 360mm radiator can move 500w at a 10C delta T, so I'd guesstimate a 40C+ delta T for the fury's radiator setup. 25C air going through the radiator plus 40C delta T to move that much heat plus at least 20C delta T between the coolant and silicon to be able to ingest that much heat and you're looking at 85C silicon temps. Unacceptable, in my opinion.

If the chip has trouble staying stable at cooler temps with an OC it will be a nightmare at the point that it produces that much heat.

All my humble opinion from WC experience.
 

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AMD "says" that it has a 500w able cooler. I beg to differ, but that is mostly anchored in what I find acceptable for coolant temperatures. The hotter your coolant temp the more efficient your radiator moves heat (greater delta T to ambient). However, it also means that your silicon is that much hotter to be able to move heat into the coolant efficiently. At 500w through a 120mm radiator, that silicon is going to be extremely toasty. My thick 360mm radiator can move 500w at a 10C delta T, so I'd guesstimate a 40C+ delta T for the fury's radiator setup. 25C air going through the radiator plus 40C delta T to move that much heat plus at least 20C delta T between the coolant and silicon to be able to ingest that much heat and you're looking at 85C silicon temps. Unacceptable, in my opinion.

If the chip has trouble staying stable at cooler temps with an OC it will be a nightmare at the point that it produces that much heat.

All my humble opinion from WC experience.

The 295X2 can run 500W with what looks to be a lesser cooler design. Fury's cooler should be OK for it. Question is will the card like it. Or, even need it.
 

Sabrewings

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The 295X2 can run 500W with what looks to be a lesser cooler design. Fury's cooler should be OK for it. Question is will the card like it. Or, even need it.

The 295x2 was designed to do that from the get go. I don't doubt that the cooler can move 500w. I question if the Fury X chip can handle any increased clocks at the temp it will have to be for that cooler to be able to do it. It's all about delta T's and a small radiator like that needs a LOT of delta T to move that much heat without a screamer of a fan, and even then it wouldn't exactly be quiet.

Also keep in mind that the 295x2 has two water blocks for two chips (each moving 250w into the coolant). In order for the Fury X to move 500w into the coolant from a single waterblock it will have to be quite a bit hotter to overcome the thermal resistance and meet the same transfer target. That is, unless they have some radical new block design that puts EK designs to shame.
 
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15.7 was a good driver overhead improvement right? Combine that with Windows 10 I think it's fine.

I think so, but I'm not sure. I disabled DX10/11 in Tribes: Ascend at the same time as the update, so I can't say for sure. I suppose I should go back and do some testing.

can anyone recommend a good FPS counter that will spit out nice graphs, or averages?
 
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It's a pretty sad shame that nobody here can be bothered to actually go check out the video on the youtube page itself and read what this guy has to say - it would've stopped a lot of pointless comments.

He's using the Peltier watercooler and even working on LN2 cooling for the Fury X right now - the bios have a problem differentiating between 0C and 100C, so it's downclocking the card by accident when too cold currently. That aftermarket cooling is also the reason why the huge volts he's pushing through are no big deal right now.

He's also stated that driver and bios issues are the reason he's running into mistaken downclocking by the card during testing, and part of the reason that much volage is needed.

Some kind of tweaked afterburner/bios release may come from him once he's nailed down how to stop the bios from downclocking the card during overvoltage.

Otherwise, keep on whining while doing nothing with your own cards except viewing message boards and whining

interesting, thanks for posting that. great frist ps0t btw
 
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The 295x2 was designed to do that from the get go. I don't doubt that the cooler can move 500w. I question if the Fury X chip can handle any increased clocks at the temp it will have to be for that cooler to be able to do it. It's all about delta T's and a small radiator like that needs a LOT of delta T to move that much heat without a screamer of a fan, and even then it wouldn't exactly be quiet.

Also keep in mind that the 295x2 has two water blocks for two chips (each moving 250w into the coolant). In order for the Fury X to move 500w into the coolant from a single waterblock it will have to be quite a bit hotter to overcome the thermal resistance and meet the same transfer target. That is, unless they have some radical new block design that puts EK designs to shame.

most of us have headphones on when we're gaming tbh. What's bugging me is how hot my room gets when I'm pumping 625W through my CPU and GPU
 
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Max temp limit allowed on the core before it throttles. as high as the slider goes in CCC. default is 65

weird. why so low? Maybe that'll be patched. 75C is nothing on air. If that were 80C I'd be OK with it but 75C is low

would Dry Ice be the sort of thing one could easily make use of for a water cooler? just turn it upside down, put a block on top, it cools the air coming across, etc...?
 

n0x1ous

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weird. why so low? Maybe that'll be patched. 75C is nothing on air. If that were 80C I'd be OK with it but 75C is low

would Dry Ice be the sort of thing one could easily make use of for a water cooler? just turn it upside down, put a block on top, it cools the air coming across, etc...?

yeah it is odd...they did the same thing on the 295x2 - they must not want the coolant getting hotter than that for some reason.....
 

Sabrewings

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most of us have headphones on when we're gaming tbh.

"Most"?

I'd be curious to see the actual statistic.

Personally, I use my 1000w Onkyo theater system. The silence these radiators allows me is golden. Most of the time the machine is in near passive mode (fans at 30%) and they rarely have to go over 50%.

What's bugging me is how hot my room gets when I'm pumping 625W through my CPU and GPU

That's quite a lot of heat. I was on the fence about going SLI 980 Tis out of the box with this build, but that's what stopped me. I like to sit comfy in my room and an extra 250w of heat over the course of an hour or two makes a big difference. It's not about power efficiency or costs as some fanboys make comments about during reviews; it's that that power becomes heat in the space you're sharing with the PC.
 

guskline

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An interesting video. Sabrewings is clearly a custom water cooler and makes excellent points about heat dissipation.

I suggest that the posters review the research done by Martin in Martinsliquidlabs about radiator capacity and the ability to cool.

Suffice it to say the cooler on the FuryX, though good, may have problems with the OCs seen in this video.

What will be interesting is how the EK block designed for the Fury will perform with sufficient rad capacity.

The fan on the FuryX cooler appears to be made by Nimec (maker of Gentle Typhoon) and probably is rated to 3000 rpm so it can move a ton of air and has EXCELLENT static capacity.

BTW Martin's new domain with a TON of info on water cooling is:
https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/
 
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chimaxi83

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Dumping all that heat into the room is absolutely true. Right now in the summer, I close the A/C vent to my 290 crossfire PC room, throw an exhaust fan in the window, and game in the next room over. I also leave the cards at stock and under volt. It's just too damn hot. If I was in an apartment or somewhere with limited space, I'd absolutely rethink which GPUs I buy.

EK blocks are excellent, they're all I use on my GPUs. Overclocked and over volted, my cards don't pass 40C anytime that isn't the summer. It's damn space heater air coming out of my radiators, but my loop keeps the components nice and cool.
 

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It might be because I don't have a beefy gpu but here in miami I never worry about heat. I can't quite believe that heat is such a big issue. Hell my AC is off now and I'm just fine, although there are plenty of variables.
 

railven

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Dumping all that heat into the room is absolutely true. Right now in the summer, I close the A/C vent to my 290 crossfire PC room, throw an exhaust fan in the window, and game in the next room over. I also leave the cards at stock and under volt. It's just too damn hot. If I was in an apartment or somewhere with limited space, I'd absolutely rethink which GPUs I buy.

EK blocks are excellent, they're all I use on my GPUs. Overclocked and over volted, my cards don't pass 40C anytime that isn't the summer. It's damn space heater air coming out of my radiators, but my loop keeps the components nice and cool.

This guy gets it! Why I'm so harsh on power now then I was before. When I had my office and the Gaming PC sat in a closet with a exhaust fan I cared not what it was sucking down or how hot it got in that room (it was kept cool enough to prevent any throttling but definintely not cool enough to game in without the A/C running.) I'd be happily gaming in my living room or bedroom.

Then my soon to be mother in law took over my office and my PC is basically two feet from me (And her PC is now 10 feet from me, so both in the same 12x14 room). Suddenly..."these things are loud." Replaced the fans, the cooler, the case, and was looking at a rather noisy GPU setup (at the time SLI 660 Tis). And I just snapped.

Even if the cooler is adequate and the noise is null, if two GPUs are about equal in both performance, acoustics, and load temp but one is sucking down 50-60W more (before OCs) then I can't buy that, not now. Maybe when I buy a new house and can stuff the motherinlaw in the basement. (Which I plan on doing, soon! ).

Not sure about heat else where, but up here it's that terrible humid garbage heat, where it's like 80-85F but with a humidity index >80% so you are just sticking to everything, sweating, and feeling lousy.
 
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railven

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It might be because I don't have a beefy gpu but here in miami I never worry about heat. I can't quite believe that heat is such a big issue. Hell my AC is off now and I'm just fine, although there are plenty of variables.

Compared your area to mine, just for me to see the diff:

Miami: 78F feels like 79F, 7.0 MPH winds, 100% humidity (woof), Thunderstorms
Boston: 80F feels like 83F 0.2 MPH winds, 66% humidity, scattered clouds

I'm just going to assume that nice breeze is helping, cuz with that humidity index I'd have the dehumidifier going ape shit.

Also, I guess conditioning helps, if you've been there all your life - that's the norm.
 

tential

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This guy gets it! Why I'm so harsh on power now then I was before. When I had my office and the Gaming PC sat in a closet with a exhaust fan I cared not what it was sucking down or how hot it got in that room (it was kept cool enough to prevent any throttling but definintely not cool enough to game in without the A/C running.) I'd be happily gaming in my living room or bedroom.

Then my soon to be mother in law took over my office and my PC is basically two feet from me (And her PC is now 10 feet from me, so both in the same 12x14 room). Suddenly..."these things are loud." Replaced the fans, the cooler, the case, and was looking at a rather noisy GPU setup (at the time SLI 660 Tis). And I just snapped.

Even if the cooler is adequate and the noise is null, if two GPUs are about equal in both performance, acoustics, and load temp but one is sucking down 50-60W more (before OCs) then I can't buy that, not now. Maybe when I buy a new house and can stuff the motherinlaw in the basement. (Which I plan on doing, soon! ).

Not sure about heat else where, but up here it's that terrible humid garbage heat, where it's like 80-85F but with a humidity index >80% so you are just sticking to everything, sweating, and feeling lousy.
I didn't care when my pc was in my basement. I still don't now that it's in my room but I just don't game enough where any gpu with lower power consumption is worth the cost.

I got uncomfortable last night for the first time but well, my vape was on for awhile heating the room as I was stuck on a boss, was stuck on a boss and frustrated, and it was a long period of gaming.

The second I turned the game off, noise dropped obviously and room was again too cold (like it always is my roommate turns it lower and lower then complains the power bill isn't the same as it was before spring starred lol....) so it's just not worth it for me. If you're sensitive to Temps though or don't live in a well ventilated area or don't have decent ac or anything then sure pick up a card that outputs less heat. I just don't get the point of people picking up a 980ti with Max oc then quote a reference card power consumption lol.
 

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FYI, 100% humidity means it's raining and 70-whatever-degrees in Miami in the summer is not hot.
 

railven

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I didn't care when my pc was in my basement. I still don't now that it's in my room but I just don't game enough where any gpu with lower power consumption is worth the cost.

That wasn't my comparison. If two gpus perform roughly the same, and have similar cost and acoustics, I'm going for the one that isn't sucking down 50W+ more.

Why I bought a 780 Lightning over a 290X Gaming 4G last upgrade cycle. This upgrade cycle there were a few extras in the pot for one brand.

I got uncomfortable last night for the first time but well, my vape was on for awhile heating the room as I was stuck on a boss, was stuck on a boss and frustrated, and it was a long period of gaming.

Gaming is my GF and I primary hobby. We don't watch TV, and we don't watch movies. Long day after work, we have dinner, and enjoy a game each. So our situations are a tad different. You can see the rigs in my sig. And right now she's on this ArcheAge bender and that game is either poorly optimized or just a beast because it runs her GPU and CPU, >80% load. So her rig is roasting my room. Haha, so it gets uncomfortable hot quickly in this little room.

The second I turned the game off, noise dropped obviously and room was again too cold (like it always is my roommate turns it lower and lower then complains the power bill isn't the same as it was before spring starred lol....) so it's just not worth it for me. If you're sensitive to Temps though or don't live in a well ventilated area or don't have decent ac or anything then sure pick up a card that outputs less heat. I just don't get the point of people picking up a 980ti with Max oc then quote a reference card power consumption lol.

I should screen cap you guys me electric bill. When we get the "how did you score compared to your neighborhood" report, we're always 2-3x more (haha). EDIT: And this year is going to be worse, because cost of k/wh went up 80%, and I got another A/C running Not to mention before when we were at work, winter's we'd leave the heat low, with her mother here, heat ran all winter long, and she's home 4/7 days a week watching TV. (ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG)



FYI, 100% humidity means it's raining and 70-whatever-degrees in Miami in the summer is not hot.

Twas not raining when I pulled up the comparison, 60% percent chance of rain .
 

tential

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That wasn't my comparison. If two gpus perform roughly the same, and have similar cost and acoustics, I'm going for the one that isn't sucking down 50W+ more.

Why I bought a 780 Lightning over a 290X Gaming 4G last upgrade cycle. This upgrade cycle there were a few extras in the pot for one brand.



Gaming is my GF and I primary hobby. We don't watch TV, and we don't watch movies. Long day after work, we have dinner, and enjoy a game each. So our situations are a tad different. You can see the rigs in my sig. And right now she's on this ArcheAge bender and that game is either poorly optimized or just a beast because it runs her GPU and CPU, >80% load. So her rig is roasting my room. Haha, so it gets uncomfortable hot quickly in this little room.



I should screen cap you guys me electric bill. When we get the "how did you score compared to your neighborhood" report, we're always 2-3x more (haha). EDIT: And this year is going to be worse, because cost of k/wh went up 80%, and I got another A/C running Not to mention before when we were at work, winter's we'd leave the heat low, with her mother here, heat ran all winter long, and she's home 4/7 days a week watching TV. (ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGG)





Twas not raining when I pulled up the comparison, 60% percent chance of rain .
Yup it really is dependent on how much you use your pc and what for. I primarily watch TV and movies. I don't game often although that may change now that my pc is in my room hooked up to my projector. Playing the Witcher 2 at 80 inches on a big screen with full pc is gorgeous. Like stupid beautiful I don't run as much as I used to in that game. I catch myself actually walking to enjoy the scenery.

If you're gaming a lot at load with multiple gpus (bf/gf in your case) then I see it. For me server pcs needed to run cool and that's why they're all Intel (lol like you really have a choice in processors these days) and it's why my laptop will be replaced eventually (runs aa a server) because it outputs far more heat than it needs to for the task it does.

But it really depends to me. I post more online than I game though lol. I don't want amd at this point because they have run their business so poorly that I don't want to reward their idiocy.

You should post your electric bill thoug lol for fun
 
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