Future Proofing

UaVaj

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QUESTION

how many of you truly believe in future proofing?
as in buying something faster than what you currently need in hope of not having to buy again in the near future.
why and why not?

how many of you pass on future proofing?
simply buy what is needed for the game/software you are using today. whenever the next game/software comes out. you will upgrade then if necessary.
why and why not?



SCENARIO

the 3 kids' gaming machine. i5-3570k, z77, 8gb, 280x, 1080p, tx750, 240gb ssd.

this setup pretty plays everything at stock ultra setting 1080p at enjoyable frame rate (beside crysis3 - which is not a primary game).

looking to retire the quad 290x in my machine and upgrade to quad furyx (for plp support).



OPTIONS

the future proof way
transfer the 290x into the kids machine. then sell the 280x (3) and the left over 290x.

the current way
sell all the 290x (4). upgrade the kids gpu whenever the next game(s) requires it.

your way
do tell. surprise me. :sneaky:
 

kaesden

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QUESTION

how many of you truly believe in future proofing?
as in buying something faster than what you currently need in hope of not having to buy again in the near future.
why and why not?

how many of you pass on future proofing?
simply buy what is needed for the game/software you are using today. whenever the next game/software comes out. you will upgrade then if necessary.
why and why not?



SCENARIO

the 3 kids' gaming machine. i5-3570k, z77, 8gb, 280x, 1080p, tx750, 240gb ssd.

this setup pretty plays everything at stock ultra setting 1080p at enjoyable frame rate (beside crysis3 - which is not a primary game).

looking to retire the quad 290x in my machine and upgrade to quad furyx (for plp support).



OPTIONS

the future proof way
transfer the 290x into the kids machine. then sell the 280x (3) and the left over 290x.

the current way
sell all the 290x (4). upgrade the kids gpu whenever the next game(s) requires it.

your way
do tell. surprise me. :sneaky:

I'd say it all depends on your budget. If you have no need for the cash from selling all the 290x, throw em in the kids computers and sell the 280's. If you're strapped for cash, sell the 290's now for more money(probably not much more though) and upgrade it down the line when they get a game that requires more power. There really isn't a "right" answer to this. Though if your budget already includes buying quad fury x cards, sounds like money is no issue for you, so i'd say give the kids the 290x for now, eventually you'll be upgrading your fury x and starting this cycle again right?
 

tential

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Those of us who believe in buying a faster GPU now, so you don't have to buy again in the future, also have mental disabilities.

There is zero such thing as future proofing, and obviously this generation to next generation makes it extremely obvious that future proofing doesn't work.

the 28 nm to 14/16nm jump.... you can't future proof things like that.
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As for what to do, that's extremely dependent on you and how badly you need to upgrade, whether you need the money from selling your GPUs to upgrade, etc.

Just know, you can't future proof.
 

moonbogg

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I believe in future proofing to a limited extent, but not in the way that you might be thinking. When I say future proofing, what I really mean is buying GPU's that will last a full generation and not leave you wanting anything more, and will even let you skip a generation and still be OK performance wise.
The biggest issue I have faced with GPU future proofing is the Vram amount. My GTX 670's didn't have enough by the time BF4 was out, and my GTX 570's before that didn't have enough for BF3. This time I bought 980TI's and its a good thing, because already they have used about 5GB of Vram playing GTA V and well over 4GB Vram playing Far Cry 4. Both times I thought how most cards only have 4GB of Vram. I wouldn't buy 4GB cards today and 6GB is just enough IMO but not enough for future proofing at this point.
Today, there is no good option. Sorry. GPU's should have 8GB right now. Wait for Pascal or buy 980ti. Everything else is no good.
 
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bystander36

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It's darn near impossible to future proof GPU needs, but CPU's can possible hold some future proofing possibilities.
 

tential

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It's darn near impossible to future proof GPU needs, but CPU's can possible hold some future proofing possibilities.
I don't believe that's future proofing like moon said, it's more of understanding the market. So with cpus, we know major changes desktop haven't been coming so we're more comfortable buying a better cpu now since a new cpu later won't be much faster.

But for gpus.... New gpus are usually game changers.
 

boozzer

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I 100% don't believe in future proofing or multi gpu setups. especially in the last 3 years.
 

Actaeon

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I think you guys are taking the term 'future proofing' way too far/literally.

He isn't looking to build a computer to last a lifetime, of course that isn't realistic. The real question is which strategy is preferable - buy 'faster and expensive' infrequently or 'slower and less expensive' more frequently.

Ex: Do you buy a Fury X and upgrade again in 3 years and hope it'll last or buy a 390X and upgrade again in 2 years when it is too slow.
 

bystander36

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I think you guys are taking the term 'future proofing' way too far/literally.

He isn't looking to build a computer to last a lifetime, of course that isn't realistic. The real question is which strategy is preferable - buy 'faster and expensive' infrequently or 'slower and less expensive' more frequently.

Ex: Do you buy a Fury X and upgrade again in 3 years and hope it'll last or buy a 390X and upgrade again in 2 years when it is too slow.

While that might make sense, and maybe he is looking for someone to talk him into that, but atm, he's already getting 4 Fury X's.

The only option atm, which I'm not sure how it relates to future proofing, is to either sell his current 290x's, or put them into his kids PC's and sell their 280's.
 

tential

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While that might make sense, and maybe he is looking for someone to talk him into that, but atm, he's already getting 4 Fury X's.

Exactly, if you're considering buying 4 Fury Xs.... I dunno if we can really give an "efficient" way to handle his situation....
 

crisium

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You might as well give the kids the 290X's. The 290X is already way faster than a 280X. And they have extra VRAM and have a better ACE setup which is key for DX12 so it's likely they will increase their performance gap in the future. It's the Christmas season, give your kids the power of Hawaii.
 

UaVaj

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keep the comments coming. we all could use a different point of view as to why and why not?



btw.. love tential's reasoning (first sentence in post #3). :biggrin:
 

bystander36

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keep the comments coming. we all could use a different point of view as to why and why not?



btw.. love tential's reasoning (first sentence in post #3). :biggrin:

With the way you upgrade (always at the top of the line), you might as well just keep your kids up with the nearly top of the line GPU's as you cycle in new ones.
 

happy medium

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simply buy what is needed for the game/software you are using today

this is what I do except when there is a new node/ new architecture coming like the new gpu's next year with a new cpu refresh on the horizon. that's when I buy big and ride it out till games or programs are not playing like they should.
In short there are times to buy and times to hold out.
Next year is the time to spend and right now I'm just getting by.
 

Mondozei

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Future proofing is a term that needs to die. Nothing is ever future proof.

What needs to be said, however, is that timing matters. You make educated guesses about where the GPU space is headed and what your needs will be. If you plan on being at 1080p and play at relatively modest settings then if you got a 7970 Ghz back in the day, you haven't really seen a need to upgrade until now.

But of course, maybe you didn't get that GPU. Maybe you got one which performed much worse over time. That's really what the concept "future proofing" aims to get at. How to know which GPU will do okay or even quite well over time, given the reasonable guesses you make about your own needs.

But of course, those needs can change. I got an Asus ROG Swift 165 Hz IPS panel at 1440p for relatively cheap at Black Friday($599). I didn't plan on that, but I jumped the shark when I saw the deal. Now my GPU requirements went up so my old GTX 980 got sold and I got a used 980 Ti in its stead.

It also depends how often you upgrade. I typically upgrade my GPU every single year. So for me the term "future proofing" is just hilarious. It's probably more relevant if you're on a much more limited budget.
 

futurefields

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as long as your sticking to 1080p anything 970 or higher outta carry you through this console cycle just fine
 

biostud

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I'm pretty sure my 5820k is pretty future proof. I think that first generation 14/16 nm top gpu's will be pretty solid for a long time since they will be optimized for dx12. Obviously running a 4k display will limit the time where one card will be enough, but for 1440p or less they will be enough for quite some time, I think.
 

Timmah!

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I think you guys are taking the term 'future proofing' way too far/literally.

He isn't looking to build a computer to last a lifetime, of course that isn't realistic. The real question is which strategy is preferable - buy 'faster and expensive' infrequently or 'slower and less expensive' more frequently.

Ex: Do you buy a Fury X and upgrade again in 3 years and hope it'll last or buy a 390X and upgrade again in 2 years when it is too slow.

Its pretty much coin toss, because better and more expensive product may last longer. Or it may not.

But its clearly more rewarding and exciting getting high end stuff then some middle end product.
 

RussianSensation

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as long as your sticking to 1080p anything 970 or higher outta carry you through this console cycle just fine

Ya, if you are willing to turn down settings, you can even use an HD7970 all the way until 2019 because PS4 is slower. A lot of people don't like jaggies in games and don't want to play at 30-45 fps. I am not saying that 60 fps minimums/averages is mandatory for everyone or that playing without AA is blasphemy but the point is IF a gamer wants those things, then even today 970 isn't enough for 1080P in some titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53mWbxcWAw4

I am pretty sure that 970/290 will start to struggle in modern AAA PC games in 2017, and esp. in 2018 and 2019. I am not expecting to see PS5/XB2 until Fall 2019. 970 is 'only' 35-40% faster than the R9 280X. Even with overclocking, that's not a lot of headroom for next gen games. To put this into context, we had 280X level of performance all the way in early 2012, or almost 4 years ago. In comparison to today, 970 is just 40% faster but it has to survive another 4 full years? I mean it will but at very reduced settings.

By end of 2016, I wouldn't be surprised if it would be possible to purchase R9 390/970 level of performance for $160-170.

QUESTION

how many of you truly believe in future proofing?

Here is my take:

1. If on a budget, the best way to future-proof is to buy a card that's good enough for the games you play @ your preferred resolution, fps, IQ settings without overspending. Then, for next gen games, sell this card and get something better. A good example of that is say a $299 HD6950 unlocked to a 6970, without wasting $ on a $499 GTX580. Another great example is buying a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 and overclocking it to GeForce 4 Ti 4400 speeds, or $280 HD7950 OC vs. $450 GTX680 2GB. If you can get 85-95% of the performance for hundreds of dollars less, it's smarter to put aside $ towards the next gen upgrade.

2. Sometimes paying a little more can net big performance gains or crucially VRAM that matters. Some examples of that would be 8800GT 256MB vs. 8800GT 512MB or HD4870 512MB vs. HD4870 1GB. Another example applies very well to this generation: $600-650 R9 295X2/R9 290X CF vs. $550 GTX980 or $250-260 R9 290 vs. $200 GTX960. In some cases, it's cheaper to spend a little more because you'll get much more useful life out of the videocard. If such a scenario applies, "future-proofing" by paying slightly more can have big payoffs. But sometimes paying more is unlikely to have big pay-offs such as $270 R9 390 vs. $480 Fury. Think about how you can just put aside $210 towards a next gen card that is way faster than the Fury.

as in buying something faster than what you currently need in hope of not having to buy again in the near future.
why and why not?

To counter my previous 2 examples, there are cases where overspending on a new card slightly faster will not pay off. Obviously HD6970 vs. 6950 or paying $499 for a GTX580 when GTX480 is $299. Another example is GTX980 vs. 970 or HD7970Ghz vs. the standard HD7970 or R9 290X vs. R9 290, etc.

The strategy of buying cutting-edge graphics cards at launch could become costly quick.

About 2 years ago:

GTX780Ti SLI = $699 x2 = $1400
R9 290X CF = $550 x 2 = $1100
R9 295X2 = $1500

Just 2 years later, you can get basically the same level of performance for $400. We also already saw GTX980TI drop to $530 over Black Friday. That means nearly R9 295X2 level of performance for 1/3 the price.

In that context, spending a lot of $ to future-proof isn't worth it.

this setup pretty plays everything at stock ultra setting 1080p at enjoyable frame rate (beside crysis3 - which is not a primary game).:

Option 1: NV path

-> Kids rig = sell 1x 280X for $100, keep 2x 280X. There is going to be very little benefit to having a 3rd 280X for a 1080P gaming rig for your kids, so what's the point of keeping it?

It's hard to replace 2xR9 280X with something much better on a reasonable budget so I think it makes sense to just keep these 2.

-> Your rig = sell 4x290X for $200/ea = $800

$100+$800 = $900

Now buy 2x980Ti

Next time you upgrade, you can sell 2x280Xs in your kids rig, stick one of your 980Tis in there and then you can sell the 2nd 980Ti you have left and buy 2x flagship 16nm HBM2 cards.

Option 2: AMD path

Same thing as above, just replace "980Ti" with "Fury X"

Option 3: AMD + NV path

-> Sell 3x280X for $100/ea = $300
-> Transfer 2x290X to kids rig
-> Sell 2x290X for $200/each = $400

Buy 980Ti SLI / Fury X CF. This way your kids and you get an upgrade but if your kids are already happy with the performance of their system, Option 1 or 2 sounds better imo.

As far as 4xFury Xs go, I am not seeing the point of that. If you wanted 4 top-of-the-line cards for $650 ea., I think it makes the most sense to buy them as close as possible to launch date.

You could also just wait until 2016 and upgrade then. Chances are neither the 280Xs nor the 290X will fall much below $100 / $200 resale values. However, there should be cards at least 25-30% faster than the Fury X.
 
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Piroko

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I future proof PSUs, hard drives, cases (& laptops). Everything else I buy whenever I need an upgrade.
 

Headfoot

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The only core components worth "future proofing" are PSUs, Cases, and theses days, CPU seems to last a long time if you buy a good one.
 
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