FX 5600, Should It Go ?

[clarkey01]

I have an FX 5600 256 mb card, Im going to build an athlon 64 rig come April, I should have about 100 left for the vid card, I do some lite gaming such as Bridge Commander, AOE2, MOH. They tend to run slightly slow but I think thats my 2000+ AXP holding the game back.

I can spend about 100 on a new card come then ? any ideas ? or keep my old one and maybe get another gig of Ram (1024mb at the moment planned).

 

[otispunkmeyer]

nah its definately the 5600 thats killing your gaming, that card is such a POS, MOH played flawlessly easy on my XP2000 with a 9500pro, as too did call of duty.

sell that thing to some sputz on ebay, pocket the little extra cash

$100 isnt alot, but if thats all you gotta spend your looking at used 9800pro, or new 9600Pro depending on where you shop. have a hunt round newegg and places and look for cards like the 9800.

what i would do is get the rig your planning, and post the proposed spec's in general hardware, i know they get alot of threads like that, but seriously there'll be someone who spots where you can save abit of money and then you can put that toward a graphics card. it would be an awful shame to have an A64 rig, and then not match it in the graphics area.

try shoot for at least 9700pro 9800pro area. or if you save enough a 6600GT would match your rig nicely.

 

[Sabbathian]

5600 is oh so slooooow, try playing Halo with it Change that card, that is my recomendation, go
for 6600 or 9600

 

[imported_humey]

My pal got a 5600 256MB model just as 5700 range was new, his was non ultra and man what a POS my other pals amd 2800xp with a g4 mx passive cooled POS played Painkiller better then the pc with p4 2gig and the POS 5600 LOL

 

[clarkey01]

Well, I just looked at some prices for 6600Gt's, think I might work a little more to afford one.(Only need 66 more quid)

Cheers Guys

 

[Sabbathian]

Buy it, fasten your seatbelt and of you go !!! into wonders of fast 3D graphics

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Well, I just looked at some prices for 6600Gt's, think I might work a little more to afford one.(Only need 66 more quid)

Cheers Guys

oh your english?

so am i

check out, overclock.co.uk, overclockers.co.uk, microdirect.co.uk, komplett.co.uk, ebuyer.co.uk and simply.co.uk

all good sites for hardware

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Sabbathian
Buy it, fasten your seatbelt and of you go !!! into wonders of fast 3D graphics

lol , I used to think my GF 2 400 MX WAS FAST, well cheers i'll dump the fx5600 and save a little more cash to add to my 100 and get a 6600GT, I just used to think it was my old CPU holding me back.

Ah well, the new card shouldnt be bottleknecked by a 3400 +( S745 2.4 Ghz) will it ?

I plan to have 1GB DDR 400 and a ultra fast hard drive

 

[Sabbathian]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Sabbathian
Buy it, fasten your seatbelt and of you go !!! into wonders of fast 3D graphics

lol , I used to think my GF 2 400 MX WAS FAST, well cheers i'll dump the fx5600 and save a little more cash to add to my 100 and get a 6600GT, I just used to think it was my old CPU holding me back.

Ah well, the new card shouldnt be bottleknecked by a 3400 +( S745 2.4 Ghz) will it ?

I plan to have 1GB DDR 400 and a ultra fast hard drive

until one week ago I had XP1700+ that worked perfectly .... with 9600XT, without any
problems .... now I have 1800+ overclocked to 2300MHz (PR=3400+) and now the
graphics card is bottlekneck in the whole system ..... so don`t worry, your 3400+
will be good for you for a long time from now

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: humey
My pal got a 5600 256MB model just as 5700 range was new, his was non ultra and man what a POS my other pals amd 2800xp with a g4 mx passive cooled POS played Painkiller better then the pc with p4 2gig and the POS 5600 LOL

Although the 5600 was severely crippled the Geforce 4 mx was NOT faster than it.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

Gamingphreek and where did i say it was, u need eyes tested if you seeing things mate

I know it was the amd cpu and other hardware carrying it but still it played PK well on a crappy g4 MX and the p4 2gig and crappy oem hardware using a POS 5600 struggled on PK.

Please dont make up statements i didnt even say, to cap it of the 5600 is crap and others agree.

 

[Sabbathian]

Maybe G4MX worked in DX7 and 5600 in DX8 and so there was a difference ?

 

[imported_humey]

Sabbathian thanks mate, i just think the amd cpu and hardware was better than intel p4, but i follow you, im just gonna ignore that user as he is repeatably just flamming anything i post today, pity he needs hide on WWW, cause a good hard kick to the balls works wonders.

 

[Monkey muppet]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Well, I just looked at some prices for 6600Gt's, think I might work a little more to afford one.(Only need 66 more quid)

Cheers Guys

oh your english?

so am i

check out, overclock.co.uk, overclockers.co.uk, microdirect.co.uk, komplett.co.uk, ebuyer.co.uk and simply.co.uk

all good sites for hardware

also

PC component centre
Scan
Dabs

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: humey
Gamingphreek and where did i say it was, u need eyes tested if you seeing things mate

I know it was the amd cpu and other hardware carrying it but still it played PK well on a crappy g4 MX and the p4 2gig and crappy oem hardware using a POS 5600 struggled on PK.

Please dont make up statements i didnt even say, to cap it of the 5600 is crap and others agree.

my other pals amd 2800xp with a g4 mx passive cooled POS played Painkiller better then the pc with p4 2gig and the POS 5600 LOL

Looks to me like im not making up anything, in this statement you said the Geforce4mx beat the 5600. The Intel 2.0 is probably somewhat comparable to the 2800+ but nonetheless painkiller is not CPU bound, so it doesn't matter that much.

I never said the 5600 wasn't crap in fact i specifically said it was crap.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

Modern games as more cpu boung so u need decent cpu + gpu, why do you think the amd2800 with really old gpu could outmatch the p4 2gig with a newer mid range dx9 card.

The days of just banging in new gpu every 2 years to game is over.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Newer games are not more CPU bound, and i dont know where you heard that they were unless you commonly play at 6x4 with lowest detail settings.

Painkiller is not CPU bound. The reason the MX beat the 5600 is because the 5600 is doing much more work. It supports DX9 and therefore uses Pixel Shaders adn all the specular while the MX does none of that. It wasn't the CPU that carried it ahead.

I was never aware that there were days where i could "bang" in a new GPU every 2 years.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

I think you need go read some good sites mate, games rely more and more of cpu nowdays why you think farcry is soon to be 64bit, nothing to do with the amd cpu ? lol.

Even normal games do and more so nowdays, thats why farcry was such a pc rapper in 1st place, along with lots of games inc doom3 and moh-pa. and endless more.

I dont really care what you think or dont think, im not one here needing help, i just hand out what i can and some is stuff i picked up on web, but you are constantly on my case and im not really impressed, you want to continue to piss me about do it in im/pm not in here

Do you think a amd thunderbird 1.2ddr with a 6800U would game as well as a xp3200 + 6800U in say Farcry.

Some of the games setting are to do with cpu not just gpus in menus.

 

[Gamingphreek]

You are thickheaded.

why you think farcry is soon to be 64bit

That does not make it CPU bound. CPU bound is when the CPU can process more data then the GPU (ie not stressfull)

How am i constantly on your case i have seen you in a total of what 2 threads, and in both your answers were way off.

Do you think a amd thunderbird 1.2ddr with a 6800U would game as well as a xp3200 + 6800U in say Farcry.

No because then you are GPU limited.

Why dont you read up on your facts because nothing you are saying right now is correct.

-Kevin

 

[kylebisme]

Actually a thunderbird with a 6800 would be CPU limited, but you are right that the mx does better in Painkiller becuase it doesn't do any shaders.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Actually a thunderbird with a 6800 would be CPU limited, but you are right that the mx does better in Painkiller becuase it doesn't do any shaders.

Yup. Nuff said.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Actually a thunderbird with a 6800 would be CPU limited, but you are right that the mx does better in Painkiller becuase it doesn't do any shaders.

Believe it or not (more thank likely you wont) i meant CPU limited. You should know this by my definition.

However almost any setting in Far Cry is GPU limited, as well as HL2, and DIII. CPU's dont affect performance as much as a GPU in most cases.

-Kevin

 

[imported_humey]

Gamingphreek less of name calling you total noob, WTF IS FARCRY 64BIT GOT TO DO WITH GPU, ITS THE DAMN NEW 64BIT CPU THAT THE DIFFERENCE HERE.

You are 1 total idiot and im very sick of your atitude towards me and others, you need a good boot to the balls mate.

 

[Gamingphreek]

A 64bit CPU does not make it CPU bound. That merely supports larger addresses, numbers, more complex math problems faster. That DOES NOT make it CPU bound. It processes instructions more efficiently instead of doing 2^32 2x to get to the answer it can to 2^64 (correct me if i am wrong). Games are not becoming more CPU limited by any means. They are requiring a faster CPU, yes; however that increases retroactively with the need for a new GPU. Now if you needed a faster CPU (ie your CPU is having trouble keeping up with your graphics card) only and the GPU was fine then it was more CPU limited.

Quote me once when i have flamed you. Quote me once when i have called you a name, the most i have said is you are thickheaded. Stop trying to make me appear the bad guy, i have done NOTHING to insult you. All i have done was debate.

-Kevin

 

[Sabbathian]

hey, hey guys ......... wtf is with you two ?, go meet and kill each other, but don`t do it here ! And here is explanation for both of you:
GPU is one responsible for displaying what you see, and CPU is the one that pumps it with data ! If you have for instance, 9800XT on
Duron 1000 with 512 RAM, you would get ok results ... but not as close as with A64 3200 .... get it ? GPU and CPU are responsible
for what you see, and how wast will it run ..... no good cpu, no great results, no great GPU, no great results ....
Also, if you have for instance 9550 like I do, then you have a limited GPU, that can work ok up to its limits, and if you have alot stronger
CPU, it will not help alot, couse GPU canot proces all bunch of data that CPU can send it to, got it ?
I tested on FarCry ...... My Radeon 9550 before mod and with XP 1700 .... terrible ..... My modded radeon and XP 1700, wow, great ? why ?
couse now GPU can chew all the data from cpu ...... and finaly, my modded Radeon and OCed XP1800 @ 2300MHz, very small difference. why ?
Couse I have reached my GPUs limits ......

End with this ...EOD