FX 8300 vs Intel

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

At this point it makes no sense to buy into AM3+.

Well, if you live near a Micro Center -- it certainly does.

From a performance perspective, you are just not going to beat an FX6300 AND a motherboard for $99. They are basically selling the CPU's for about $60 a piece when you factor in the cost of the motherboard. The FX8320E is just a few bucks more.

And for Visual Content Creation -- that is something the FX chips do incredibly well. Gaming at 1080p? Not as much but reasonably competent.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

How exactly is it "much snappier"? It's not an SSD drive, it's a processor.

It's got twice the threads -- The FX can multitask like crazy where an i5 hits a brick wall quicker. Superior single threaded performance only goes so far.

 

[NTMBK]

Your best option is a second hand Xeon off eBay. You can get some real bargains on Sandy Bridge 8-core chips at the moment, and they'll knock the socks off any FX.

 

[Raduque]

I actually have an eBay Xeon, but I don't really want to spend another 350-380 for one.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

It's not, it's completely made up. Benchmarks don't show it, real world apps don't show it, they can't even explain it... It's just a "feeling"

Careful, you're bias is showing. I own both -- and his assessment is correct.

The i5 doesn't multitask as well. Its got half the thread count of an octocore FX -- you can't defy physics, man. Sure the FX's single threaded performance is lukewarm, but a mild overclock can close some of that gap. The FX chips also gained a nice boost in performance under Windows 10 as well thanks to better scheduling -- so many of your misconceptions are based on an old OS which he's probably not going to use.

For the record, I run an i7 6700K as my primary computer -- but the amount of wrong info posted on this forum is astounding sometimes.

 

[LTC8K6]

In most cases though, the SL i5 will kill the 8300, even in MT.

They don't show 265 encoding here, though.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/361/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8300_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-6600.html

Intel also comes with an IGP that is fine for general use.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Your best option is a second hand Xeon off eBay. You can get some real bargains on Sandy Bridge 8-core chips at the moment, and they'll knock the socks off any FX.

And for the same cost of the used Sandy Bridge motherboard -- you can buy brand new 2 FX's with 2 new motheboards from Micro Center..... and have an actual warranty if a component fails. Versus buying a 5 year old motherboard with 5 year old capacitors.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

In most cases though, the i5 will kill the 8300.

They don't show 265 encoding here, though.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/361/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8300_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-6600.html

The synthetic benchmarks say otherwise:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4430+%40+3.00GHz

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8300+Eight-Core

 

[LTC8K6]

The synthetic benchmarks say otherwise:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4430+%40+3.00GHz

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8300+Eight-Core

Not Skylake, though.

It makes no sense to go with old platforms for a new computer, imo.

Skylake should last a while.

 

[Leyawiin]

Well, if you live near a Micro Center -- it certainly does.

From a performance perspective, you are just not going to beat an FX6300 AND a motherboard for $99. They are basically selling the CPU's for about $60 a piece when you factor in the cost of the motherboard. The FX8320E is just a few bucks more.

And for Visual Content Creation -- that is something the FX chips do incredibly well. Gaming at 1080p? Not as much but reasonably competent.

Yeah, if the OP can get to a Microcenter the $89.99 FX-8320E is a pretty decent option for what he wants to do.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Not Skylake, though.

It makes no sense to go with old platforms for a new computer, imo.

Skylake should last a while.

Well, if you actually read what the OP said -- he made it clear that Skylake was too expensive for his build.

Not that anyone actually reads the original posts on this forum.

And yes it does make sense if you can't afford the new platforms.

I love my 6700K, but the chip cost by itself nearly what he is planning to spend on the entire system build.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, if you actually read what the OP said -- he made it clear that Skylake was too expensive for his build.

Not that anyone actually reads the original posts on this forum.

Old platforms are too expensive for serious work, imo.

You end up having to replace them soon when the jobs get tougher.

 

[LTC8K6]

The synthetic benchmarks say otherwise:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4430+%40+3.00GHz

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8300+Eight-Core

We all know that Passmark is totally unreliable, though.

 

[LTC8K6]

The closest Intel in price is actually the i3-6100, I would think.

That would be the modern Skylake platform, with future upgrade ability, and the HD530 igp.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

We all know that Passmark is totally unreliable, though.

Oh sure, your opinion is definitely more valid than an industry accepted benchmark suite -- benchmarks that Intel often quotes in their marketing materials.

Way to go, clearly a fact.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Get the Fx8300,That is what I just bought last week or so and it works great. I have it overclocked to 4.6Ghz 1.35v with a Hyper 212 Evo and cant really tell the difference between it and my i7 4820k.It is being used for media encoding with hand break and gaming and it does its job well.I am using the Asus 970 gaming motherboard which I would also like to recommend to go along with this build. You can find it on newegg between $89-$99 with a 10 dollar rebate normally. usually goes on sale every 3-4 days. Includes very new ports such as usb 3.1 and m.2

 

[LTC8K6]

Oh sure, your opinion is definitely is more valid than an industry accepted benchmark suite -- benchmarks that Intel often quotes in their marketing materials.

Way to go, clearly a fact.

Does it distinguish between overclocked and stock clocked chips at all?

I believe I read on this forum that it does not, making the numbers unreliable at best.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Old platforms are too expensive for serious work, imo.

You end up having to replace them soon when the jobs get tougher.

You are just making excuses about something you clearly don't know much about. I teach Digital Video at a local college -- I do this stuff everyday.

....And GPU acceleration is far more important to content creation than CPU nowadays (* Just don't try using a dual core -- that will choke most HD workloads). Nobody renders on CPU only anymore in the industry -- because it sucks.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Does it distinguish between overclocked and stock clocked chips at all?

I believe I read on this forum that it does not, making the numbers unreliable at best.

Just another excuse -- why would it even matter when comparing 2 unlocked chips? But thanks for another amazing observation.

It's a pretty absurd argument -- because OEM's don't even standardize machines with the same CPU. Identical CPU's will be configured in single channel and dual channel setups on laptops all the time -- which is just as misleading as overclocks. OEM use a ton of different speeds for memory which affect performance. Even some video cards are factory overclocked also distorting benchmarks. Then solid states vs hard drives holding back how fast certain suites can load up. They can't just disqualify every computer out there. So you are creating an impossible standard by arguing a moot point. That's why the criticism collapses immediately.

 

[LTC8K6]

You are just making excuses about something you clearly don't know much about. I teach Digital Video at a local college -- I do this stuff everyday.

....And GPU acceleration is far more important to content creation than CPU nowadays (* Just don't try using a dual core -- that will choke most HD workloads). Nobody renders on CPU only anymore in the industry -- because it sucks.

Dude, my opinion is not the law.

No one has to obey me, or even read my posts.

I don't have power over anyone.

Calm down.

Now then, how does HD530, which comes with Skylake, do at the task?

 

[LTC8K6]

I thought businesses generally didn't overclock though?

Reliability being most important on the job.

 

[Raduque]

Get the Fx8300,That is what I just bought last week or so and it works great. I have it overclocked to 4.6Ghz 1.35v with a Hyper 212 Evo and cant really tell the difference between it and my i7 4820k.It is being used for media encoding with hand break and gaming and it does its job well.I am using the Asus 970 gaming motherboard which I would also like to recommend to go along with this build. You can find it on newegg between $89-$99 with a 10 dollar rebate normally. usually goes on sale every 3-4 days. Includes very new ports such as usb 3.1 and m.2

I hadn't panned on overclocking, and I going to use the MSI 760GMA(p34)FX. I don't need usb3 or m.2. Depending on how much money it makes me in two years, I would either keep it or build something contemporary and hand it Doreen to a family member as a general use PC.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Dude, my opinion is not the law.

No one has to obey me, or even read my posts.

I don't have power over anyone.

Calm down.

Now then, how does HD530, which comes with Skylake, do at the task?

Probably Awful, OpenCL acceleration is absolutely terrible right now.

Haven't found benchmarks specifically for HD530 -- but OpenCL is usually slower than Software Only mode even using high end graphics cards. They have a long way to go for OpenCL optimizations. Right now, Cuda Cores is the safest way to go for GPU Acceleration in Content Creation. Nvidia graphics cards provide a dramatically faster experience at least under Adobe Premiere -- and you don't even need a high end card. A lowly GT240 is roughly 5 times faster than CPU only rendering in the Mercury Playback Engine.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1894349

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LQ853yITk

 

[PliotronX]

Well, if you actually read what the OP said -- he made it clear that Skylake was too expensive for his build.

Not that anyone actually reads the original posts on this forum.

I concur. The lack of attention span here combined with irrational bias makes for a futile discussion. @OP, you've got all the information you need so far, thread ought to be closed.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I thought businesses generally didn't overclock though?

Reliability being most important on the job.

Depends on the business. A few years back, the company I worked for deployed liquid cooled workstations with overclocked i7 3960x for running SolidWorks. Overclocking is very uncommon, though -- that's the only time I saw it in 20 years.