FX60 is getting cheap.

[HannibalX]

$600 on Newegg.

When it comes down to say $450-$500 I may have to get one. In one purchase I will outspend myself on all other parts for my system in the last year or so.

 

[hennethannun]

what is the point? my 89W 4400+ (which cost $220 more than 4 weeks ago) will easily reach 2.7ghz at stock volts with stock cooling (55C load). and my results seem to be very typical of this processor.

Yes, unlocked multipliers are nice. but why bother when you can spend half the money and get every bit as much performance.

 

[akshayt]

E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

 

[xtreme26]

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

1900xtx>u
what's the point?

 

[diablofish]

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

E6600 = $330
New C2D MOBO >= $150
New 2 GB DDR2 800 >= $200

Total >= $680

Drop on FX 60 into current 939 board with 2 GB DDR = $600

The point is a huge upgrade in performance from say a Socket 939 3700+ for less money and hassle than building a new machine.

In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future.

To xtreme26: Right on.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

It's an upgrade path for people still on 939.

People act like because Conroe is out and outperforms the FX60 all of a sudden the FX60 is a 386 or something.

FX60 is still a hell of a CPU reguardless of what brand new CPUs are doing.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: diablofish

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

E6600 = $330
New C2D MOBO >= $150
New 2 GB DDR2 800 >= $200

Total >= $680

Drop on FX 60 into current 939 board with 2 GB DDR = $600

The point is a huge upgrade in performance from say a Socket 939 3700+ for less money and hassle than building a new machine.

In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future.

To xtreme26: Right on.

That's stupid logic. You are not willing to spend $80 more for RAM and Motherboard that you could use for future upgrades? So you are shelling out $600 for a short sighted upgrade, when you could replace everything and still have a future path of upgrade.

Personally, I spent the extra $$ and my computer destroys an FX-60 (E6600 o/c to 3.3GHZ) and it cost me a whole $80 more? Better ram, cpu and motherboard.

 

[Boyo]

There was a point when I was waiting to get the FX60, but with all the new changes in hardware I feel that it is pointless. It's still way over priced and I overclocked my 4400+, and I know that I can still get at least 2.7 out of it, so it's not worth the upgrade to me. When I make my next upgrade it will be from leaving the 939 and moving up. AMD Quad cores aren't that far away either. Not that I'm going to run out and buy one right away, but with things changing so fast, I don't see the point in upgrading my 939 to an FX60 from a 4400+.

 

[diablofish]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: diablofish

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

E6600 = $330
New C2D MOBO >= $150
New 2 GB DDR2 800 >= $200

Total >= $680

Drop on FX 60 into current 939 board with 2 GB DDR = $600

The point is a huge upgrade in performance from say a Socket 939 3700+ for less money and hassle than building a new machine.

In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future.

To xtreme26: Right on.

That's stupid logic. You are not willing to spend $80 more for RAM and Motherboard that you could use for future upgrades? So you are shelling out $600 for a short sighted upgrade, when you could replace everything and still have a future path of upgrade.

Personally, I spent the extra $$ and my computer destroys an FX-60 (E6600 o/c to 3.3GHZ) and it cost me a whole $80 more? Better ram, cpu and motherboard.

Ahem: "In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future."

"That's stupid logic. You are not willing to spend $80 more for RAM and Motherboard that you could use for future upgrades? So you are shelling out $600 for a short sighted upgrade, when you could replace everything and still have a future path of upgrade."

Hmmmm, you think that the current C2D boards are going to support the next gen Intel processor? I'd be surprised if they all do given not all S775 boards support C2D. There is no guarantee of a future upgrade path with Intel or AMD.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: diablofish

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

E6600 = $330
New C2D MOBO >= $150
New 2 GB DDR2 800 >= $200

Total >= $680

Drop on FX 60 into current 939 board with 2 GB DDR = $600

The point is a huge upgrade in performance from say a Socket 939 3700+ for less money and hassle than building a new machine.

In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future.

To xtreme26: Right on.

That's stupid logic. You are not willing to spend $80 more for RAM and Motherboard that you could use for future upgrades? So you are shelling out $600 for a short sighted upgrade, when you could replace everything and still have a future path of upgrade.

Personally, I spent the extra $$ and my computer destroys an FX-60 (E6600 o/c to 3.3GHZ) and it cost me a whole $80 more? Better ram, cpu and motherboard.

The possibility of not going through the hassle of upgrading ur whole entire comp is great logic for a lot of people.

I myself have been on the stable and tested socket 478 untill the venice a64 came out... sure my 2.5ghz overclocked 3200+ destroyed my older p4 3.2ghz, but the hassle of using early socket 939 boards (asus a8v deluxe rev 1 anyone?) or being stuck with socket 754 and newcastle a64s would be not worth it.

It will prolly be half a year before i will consider touching either c2d or am2, prolly because i dont have enough money to upgrade that often, and also i do like new stuff but having to deal with all the early bugs is a pain.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: diablofish

Hmmmm, you think that the current C2D boards are going to support the next gen Intel processor? I'd be surprised if they all do given not all S775 boards support C2D. There is no guarantee of a future upgrade path with Intel or AMD.

$200 worth of ram? Also I never said Next Gen. Their will be future releases of the C2D chip that will work in the 965 / 975 platform, I have absolutely no doubt about that. You're not talking about using a next gen AMD chip??? Apples to apples, not oranges. There's virtually no upgrade path past the FX. You'd be dropping $600 dollars on inferior techology with nothing to look forward to.

Granted, it's a great chip, but it's way overpriced and you can get a whole new system with a future upgrade path for almost nothing more.

"The possibility of not going through the hassle of upgrading ur whole entire comp is great logic for a lot of people. "

You're talking to the wrong board. Heck you're in General Hardware! It takes about an hour to put in a new motherboard, ram and CPU. You're talking about one hour of hassle for 2-3 years worth of computing? I'd call those people lazy

 

[Pabster]

Have to agree with several others, no point in going with the FX-60. It is still WAY overpriced. You can grab an X2 for next to nothing now (comparatively) and reach equal if not higher speeds.

And OP, since when is $600 "cheap"? I can purchase a pair of E6600 OEM's for that price.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Trinitron

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

It's an upgrade path for people still on 939.

People act like because Conroe is out and outperforms the FX60 all of a sudden the FX60 is a 386 or something.

FX60 is still a hell of a CPU reguardless of what brand new CPUs are doing.

Hell I have been contemplating upgrading my S754 machine to a S939 because I can reuse my 2GBs of PC3200 memory.

memory has suddenly become expensive again.

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: LikeLinusYou're talking to the wrong board. Heck you're in General Hardware! It takes about an hour to put in a new motherboard, ram and CPU. You're talking about one hour of hassle for 2-3 years worth of computing? I'd call those people lazy

More like those people might be "busy" instead of lazy. Much easier to drop a supported chip in than to tear your whole PC apart.
New conroe boards are still immature and buggy. What may take an hour for you might take some a couple of days because of the anticipated problems that come with new hardware. If something goes wrong with all thier new hardware, and most likey it WILL with a new conroe build (according to all the endless "cant boot new conroe build" threads), people just don't have time to jerk around with those headaches

 

[diablofish]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: diablofish

Hmmmm, you think that the current C2D boards are going to support the next gen Intel processor? I'd be surprised if they all do given not all S775 boards support C2D. There is no guarantee of a future upgrade path with Intel or AMD.

$200 worth of ram? Also I never said Next Gen. Their will be future releases of the C2D chip that will work in the 965 / 975 platform, I have absolutely no doubt about that. You're not talking about using a next gen AMD chip??? Apples to apples, not oranges. There's virtually no upgrade path past the FX. You'd be dropping $600 dollars on inferior techology with nothing to look forward to.

Granted, it's a great chip, but it's way overpriced and you can get a whole new system with a future upgrade path for almost nothing more.

"The possibility of not going through the hassle of upgrading ur whole entire comp is great logic for a lot of people. "

You're talking to the wrong board. Heck you're in General Hardware! It takes about an hour to put in a new motherboard, ram and CPU. You're talking about one hour of hassle for 2-3 years worth of computing? I'd call those people lazy

X2 is the next generation beyond Athlon 64 - same socket and BIOS updates all that are needed to support X2 on many older motherboards that support A64. The same cannot be said for Intel's platform, whether 965 or 975. Hard to compare apples when AMD and Intel already are very different.

One hour of hassle assuming everything goes the way it should. However, this isn't always the case - especially on new platforms.

I guess I'm lazy since I'm not going to build a Conroe system. I just don't find a need to have a large e-weiner when 939 (not FX-60, per se) is going to be more than enough for my needs and far less costly than going to Conroe.

Yes, DDR2 800 (2 GB) runs in the neighborhood of $200 (OR MORE) for name brand RAM last time I checked. Prices on NewEgg

It's your money, time, and system. Do what you want and whatever makes you happy.

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: diablofishOne hour of hassle assuming everything goes the way it should. However, this isn't always the case - especially on new platforms.

I guess I'm lazy since I'm not going to build a Conroe system. I just don't find a need to have a large e-weiner when 939 (not FX-60, per se) is going to be more than enough for my needs and far less costly than going to Conroe.

QFT

 

[LikeLinus]

I don't think it has anything to do with e-penis, that's just a lame excuse. The question was, if you're going to upgrade would it be

A. Spending $600 on a single chip
B. Spending $680 for a new Chip, Motherboard and Ram - all of which will outperform anything you currently have.

The new items could also be used down the road.

I was also under the impression that the 965 Chipset can support both P4/PD chips also.

A BIOS upgrade is never a given.

I just don't see the point in shelling out $600 for old technology when you can get the latest and greatest. If you're going to spend the money, spend wisely. Not to mention that the Ram can be used for future builds ($200 savings right there!) and the chip can be upgrade also.

Just my point of view. $600 is a rip off for what you're getting.

 

[diablofish]

There was no question - only a statement that the price is coming down for the FX-60. I agree with you that going to an FX-60 at this time does not make sense. However, I also said that it very well could make sense in the not so distant future. The OP said as much as well.

As it stands today, having that extra $80 is enough to buy another piece of equipment (laser mouse, keyboard, etc.) and still have a great gaming experience on Socket 939.

Worth it? Mind of the beholder and in congruence with the beholder's current system and budget.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: diablofish

Originally posted by: akshayt
E6600 > FX 62 at stock

E6300 > FX 62 after overclock

what's the point?

E6600 = $330
New C2D MOBO >= $150
New 2 GB DDR2 800 >= $200

Total >= $680

Drop on FX 60 into current 939 board with 2 GB DDR = $600

The point is a huge upgrade in performance from say a Socket 939 3700+ for less money and hassle than building a new machine.

In my opinion, the FX-60 hasn't come down enough in price (yet) to justify purchasing one, but it could happen in the not so distant future.

To xtreme26: Right on.

That's stupid logic. You are not willing to spend $80 more for RAM and Motherboard that you could use for future upgrades? So you are shelling out $600 for a short sighted upgrade, when you could replace everything and still have a future path of upgrade.

Personally, I spent the extra $$ and my computer destroys an FX-60 (E6600 o/c to 3.3GHZ) and it cost me a whole $80 more? Better ram, cpu and motherboard.

:thumbsup:

 

[SparkyJJO]

IMO there isn't really a reason to upgrade to either FX60 or C2D. If you want dual core now just get a 3800+ and OC it, wait until AM2 is matured and K8L comes around and compare between C2D and K8L.

I'm waiting for K8L, heck until then I plan to use my single core which really is plenty fast and at 2.86GHz cooks a slower X2 at most games (since most don't support dual core). For gaming, upgrading to C2D is pretty much a waste right now because it isn't really going to make that much of a difference. By the time enough games support multithreading K8L will be out and then we can see who wins, AMD or intel. If you do other stuff like video editing then maybe a 939 X2 would be a good idea because it would upgrade without spending too much for the time being.

I see both AM2 and C2D as being too new right now. I don't like fresh buggy stuff usually.

as a side note I hate intel, not for their chips - the C2D does seem fast - but because of their business practices. I plan to stick with AMD, and since most of the stuff I do is more GPU dependent I'm not going to suffer much if any performance loss.

 

[Bobthelost]

I wonder how many people chose a 939 board over 754 for the future upgrade posibilities, then didn't, and are now considering going to C2D or AM2 for future upgrades...

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
IMO there isn't really a reason to upgrade to either FX60 or C2D. If you want dual core now just get a 3800+ and OC it, wait until AM2 is matured and K8L comes around and compare between C2D and K8L.

I'm waiting for K8L, heck until then I plan to use my single core which really is plenty fast and at 2.86GHz cooks a slower X2 at most games (since most don't support dual core). For gaming, upgrading to C2D is pretty much a waste right now because it isn't really going to make that much of a difference. By the time enough games support multithreading K8L will be out and then we can see who wins, AMD or intel. If you do other stuff like video editing then maybe a 939 X2 would be a good idea because it would upgrade without spending too much for the time being.

I see both AM2 and C2D as being too new right now. I don't like fresh buggy stuff usually.

as a side note I hate intel, not for their chips - the C2D does seem fast - but because of their business practices. I plan to stick with AMD, and since most of the stuff I do is more GPU dependent I'm not going to suffer much if any performance loss.

Another QFT. It is a good day.

While conroe is a step up for intel and has made an awesome chip, AMD *always has* come out with a superior chip eventually, and just because conroe exists doesn't mean its the "be all to end all" of CPU's.
This seems to be the mentality of the conroe supporters.
It's just a matter of time before AMD is ahead of the pack, again.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
I wonder how many people chose a 939 board over 754 for the future upgrade posibilities, then didn't, and are now considering going to C2D or AM2 for future upgrades...

/raises hand

Conroe seems to be all that and a bag of chips. It's a shame that decent motherboards are now at the $200 pricepoint though. I remember back in the good old days of NForce2 and Barton AthlonXPs, you could get any one of the top overclocking MBs for about $100-$130. $200 is a rip, and only adds to the "price gouging" feeling. :|

 

[lamere]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I don't think it has anything to do with e-penis, that's just a lame excuse. The question was, if you're going to upgrade would it be

A. Spending $600 on a single chip
B. Spending $680 for a new Chip, Motherboard and Ram - all of which will outperform anything you currently have.

The new items could also be used down the road.

I was also under the impression that the 965 Chipset can support both P4/PD chips also.

A BIOS upgrade is never a given.

I just don't see the point in shelling out $600 for old technology when you can get the latest and greatest. If you're going to spend the money, spend wisely. Not to mention that the Ram can be used for future builds ($200 savings right there!) and the chip can be upgrade also.

Just my point of view. $600 is a rip off for what you're getting.

Some people dont want/need the latest and greatest. And you're still not adding in the potential problems that come along with this new technology.
Just look at the numerous threads started here about how many people are having problems with thier new conroe builds. I would personally go the other route and save a potential headache of a new build that will be buggy, picky, and with an immature chipset.
If I myself was to go with a conroe build, i would def. wait a few months if not almost a year and let the chipset mature some, IMNVHO.
At the cost vs. performance factor of these CPU's, the fx-60 is still quite expensive unfortunatly.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: lamere
While conroe is a step up for intel and has made an awesome chip, AMD *always has* come out with a superior chip eventually, and just because conroe exists doesn't mean its the "be all to end all" of CPU's.

Or you can look at that the other way around, while AMD comes out with good chips Intel always retake the performance crown. They are both money grabbing corperations, don't start thinking either are your friend.