FYI: Daycare costs too much.

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TallBill

Lifer
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That's a bit unfair don't you think? We didn't develop a first world society just to be forced to choose between a family and a career.

We don't. But if you make a serious life decision, don't complain afterwards about it.

I don't bitch about getting divorced and losing half of my investments.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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Originally Posted by Jumpem View Post
Not really. My monthly bills are about $4k excluding daycare.

Mortgage: $1277
Car: $535
Student Loans: $532
Credit Card: $102
Electric: $85
Garbage: $28
Propane: $100
Gas: $293
Cabe/Internet: $143
Netflix: $23
Home Phone: $34
Cell phones: $102
Auto Insurance: $81
Life/Disability Insurance: $128
Groceries: $500
Daycare: $800



WTF? 2 50k paychecks is 100k. Lets say 33% tax rate, you bring home 66,000, or $5,500 a month.

Your expenses right now are $4,763 a month, leaving you $737.

I'm looking for other things that I don't see like medical/dental costs, home owners insurance (maybe included in your mortgage includes that), 401k funding, clothing, or savings?

cut out the house phone.
cut up your credit cards. to be carrying a monthly payment of 100 bucks you must have 5K on it.
500+ bucks for a car payment? wtf do you drive a luxury car? sell it and buy something cheaper. i just bought a 2007 ford edge pickup for my kid and the payment she makes to me is 197.00. great truck and i almost kept it for myself. you would save close to 400 a month in payment and insurance reductions.

pay down the student loans and credit cars to get that monkey off your back as fast as you can. it might mean drinking koolaid with no sugar but sacrifices need to be made.

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OutHouse

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That's a bit unfair don't you think? We didn't develop a first world society just to be forced to choose between a family and a career.

????? its your choice to have kids. if you feel that you are being forced to choose between family and a career then you are not ready to have a family. sorry but family comes first and if that meas the one who makes the least money stays home then so be it.
 

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If daycare is too expensive for you that means your wife isn't making enough money.

PS they need to increase the Dependent care Flex limit to $20k from the paltry $5k.

If they do that daycare will just inflate to $1500-$2000 a month then instead of the $800-$1500 it runs now. Same concept as student loans and tuition costs. More money subsidizing costs and costs go up.
 
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That is all.



Or maybe I'm just a cheap bastard. We managed to find a local daycare center that we liked before our daughter was born that was just starting up, comes out to around $500 a month, but now that we have stopped in a few times they don't have it fully staffed and seem shorthanded in the morning and the bad vibes are there. Now it is down to the $1000/mo super awesome daycare that is 1.5 blocks down from my work that I could stop in at during the day, or another facility that is almost as nice for just $750/mo.

Just finished paying the truck off thankfully.
Well, Trojans are cheaper.
 

angry hampster

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My fiance works for a daycare that is operated by Bright Horizons. Bright Horizons is a nationwide chain that prides itself on being 'the best'. They charge $1600/mo (for 2 year olds) at our local center. My fiance has worked there 1.5 years and makes $8.92/hr.
 

Sho'Nuff

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That is all.



Or maybe I'm just a cheap bastard. We managed to find a local daycare center that we liked before our daughter was born that was just starting up, comes out to around $500 a month, but now that we have stopped in a few times they don't have it fully staffed and seem shorthanded in the morning and the bad vibes are there. Now it is down to the $1000/mo super awesome daycare that is 1.5 blocks down from my work that I could stop in at during the day, or another facility that is almost as nice for just $750/mo.

Just finished paying the truck off thankfully.

How many days a week, and how many hours per day? And what is included?

We pay $980 per month for our son's daycare. He is there from 8AM to 5PM, five days a week. His daycare provides everything except diapers (2 main meals, 2 snacks, all the toys you could imagine, etc.). If you assume an average of 22 weekdays per month, that means that we are paying for roughly 198 hours of care. That comes out to $4.95 cents per hour. In contrast, the lowest hourly rate we can find for a babysitter in our area is $10 per hour.

So, while the amount paid per month is high, the hourly rate is exceedingly low. Not even minimum wage.
 

Turin39789

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My fiance works for a daycare that is operated by Bright Horizons. Bright Horizons is a nationwide chain that prides itself on being 'the best'. They charge $1600/mo (for 2 year olds) at our local center. My fiance has worked there 1.5 years and makes $8.92/hr.

The $1000.00 down the street from work is a Bright Horizons.
 

dfuze

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Mine is coming in at 500 a month, but that is thankfully due to the woman who runs it working with us and cutting us an amazing deal for 1 child 1/2 day there, a second child who goes there just after school for about 1/2 hour, and a third child who goes there just on days that there is no school.
 

Sho'Nuff

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If you break it down, it's actually fairly cheap for what you're getting. Let's say you have an average of 21.67 workings days in a month and pay $800/month. That's $36.92 a day. If that's an 8 hour day, you're only paying about $4.62 an hour for someone to watch your kid. I'm sure you pay a night time babysitter more than that. I know that you'd think the economy of scale would kick in and make it much cheaper, but from what I've heard it's pretty expensive to run a daycare by the book.

Crap. You beat me to my post.

To build on what you said, in many states a commerical daycare must be staffed by licensed employees. In MA, this meant that all "teachers" in a commercial daycare had to have early childhood education degrees and a certification from the state. The rules might be different for some at home daycare operations.

And to the guy who said that kids in daycare are almost sedated, that might be true for very young infants. But once a kid goes mobile, all hell breaks loose. My son (who is 21 months old) literally runs from one end of the day to the other. Also, I'm not sure I woudl accept $4.70 an hour to change diapers all day. In northern VA, you can make more than that scooping dog shit out of back yards and public areas.
 

olds

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Here's a novel concept. Don't have kids if you can't raise them.
 

Sho'Nuff

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The $1000.00 down the street from work is a Bright Horizons.

The bright Horizon facilities in Boston and Cambridge are ~$1900-2100 per month, and have long waiting lists.

When my son was an infant, we had him in a church run daycare in downtown boston. we thought we were getting a deal at $1850/month, and they provided NOTHING!
 

Sho'Nuff

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Here's a novel concept. Don't have kids if you can't raise them.

Throw me in your basement if you want, but this really isn't about whether or not someone can raise thier kids. In some geographical areas, a dual income is necessary to have a decent quality of life. I'm not talking extravagent living. I'm talking about having a small house, a used car, food on the table, and heat in the winter. And if a dual income is necessary, some form of daycare is necessary.
 

olds

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Throw me in your basement if you want, but this really isn't about whether or not someone can raise thier kids. In some geographical areas, a dual income is necessary to have a decent quality of life. I'm not talking extravagent living. I'm talking about having a small house, a used car, food on the table, and heat in the winter. And if a dual income is necessary, some form of daycare is necessary.

If two people need to work just to provide the necessities, having a kid doesn't make it cheaper.
But it's your life. Do whatever makes you happy.
 

MotF Bane

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Throw me in your basement if you want, but this really isn't about whether or not someone can raise thier kids. In some geographical areas, a dual income is necessary to have a decent quality of life. I'm not talking extravagent living. I'm talking about having a small house, a used car, food on the table, and heat in the winter. And if a dual income is necessary, some form of daycare is necessary.

Move to the suburbs?
 

PingSpike

Lifer
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Or Dad. Or Either.

My wife and I don't make much but have a schedule were one of us will provide child care while the other is at work. It's really satisfying and inexpensive, too.

Things may change after next year, though. I hope it's for the best.

Its one way to go. Unfortunately, then you don't see your spouse that much.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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We don't. But if you make a serious life decision, don't complain afterwards about it.

I don't bitch about getting divorced and losing half of my investments.

Why not? Half the fun is giving into a rant and having others agree with you. It's a feel good mechanism.

My son goes in just 2 days a week and it's $750/month. In December they were closed for a week too.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
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Isn't there a tax advantage to having your wife staying home as well? I mean, you're still a couple on the taxes but you're making way less so its probably taxed at the lower rate. Whereas if you're both making 70-100K together the tax rate is higher.

Plus, around here the same applies to state income tax and they give you pretty big breaks on your property taxes if you make less money. I haven't done the math, but there's so many progressive tax structures that I'm not sure you really make more money having both of you work sometimes.
 

olds

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Isn't there a tax advantage to having your wife staying home as well? I mean, you're still a couple on the taxes but you're making way less so its probably taxed at the lower rate. Whereas if you're both making 70-100K together the tax rate is higher.

Plus, around here the same applies to state income tax and they give you pretty big breaks on your property taxes if you make less money. I haven't done the math, but there's so many progressive tax structures that I'm not sure you really make more money having both of you work sometimes.
If she's running a daycare out of your house there is.
 

Fausto

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Yes, it's expensive as hell, but it works for us. Both my kids are in Montessori schools and not only do they enjoy it, they are learning a ton. I also appreciate how the social "immersion" with their classmates spurs personal growth.
 
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