FYI: Lotus Notes $*!*)@#!)!@##!)*@#)!@*#!

[forfor]

Lotus Notes is the absolute worst utter crap piece of bollock juggling, nerve raping mail client ever! I see no reason why any company would use this instead of Microsoft Outlook, other than the president playing golf with IBM executives. Grrr.

/rant

 

[sivart]

I remember using that back in '99. Still see the occasional email from a company using it today.

 

[Raduque]

Haha. I had to use this piece of junk at my last job. Verizon, buy a damned Exchange server already!

 

[SolMiester]

BS, Lotus Notes pwns exchange.....LOL.

my2c anyway

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: forfor
Lotus Notes is the absolute worst utter crap piece of bollock juggling, nerve raping mail client ever! I see no reason why any company would use this instead of Microsoft Outlook, other than the president playing golf with IBM executives. Grrr.

/rant

QFT

The only reason we still use it at my work is the cost of switching. Much work is done in the stupid "databases" in LN. And we'd have to keep it for years even after switching for legal reasons.

Ugh.

 

[spidey07]

meh, every job I've ever had is lotus notes.

I love it. The workflow stuff it can do is amazing.

 

[trmiv]

Yea? Try supporting it. I had never even USED Lotus Notes when I got at job at a place that uses Notes. I started as a project tech, doing various projects not related to Lotus Notes. Eventually they liked my other tech skills and hired me as a desktop support tech, meanwhile I still knew NOTHING about Notes. I've since learned how to support it on the fly, and it has been an adventure for someone who has an Outlook/Exchange background. I consider myself pretty decent at supporting it now. It actually has a ton of features that the company uses. They made some confusing design choices though when it was developed that make it odd to support at times.

 

[AndyHui]

Lotus Notes is good stuff. You really get to appreciate it once you start programming/developing in Lotus Notes. Yes, it's odd and has some strange quirks, but Notes can do all sorts of wonderful things, especially once you start using the Lotus Workflow engine.

Consider this: Notes mail client doesn't run VBS/scripts and you can't get viruses through it as easily as Outlook.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Lotus Notes is good stuff. You really get to appreciate it once you start programming/developing in Lotus Notes. Yes, it's odd and has some strange quirks, but Notes can do all sorts of wonderful things, especially once you start using the Lotus Workflow engine.

Consider this: Notes mail client doesn't run VBS/scripts and you can't get viruses through it as easily as Outlook.

That's always the story I here from our corporate IT folks also - how awesome and powerful Lotus Notes is. But it still completely sucks for basic email for the end user, and using the databases as an end user is a complete PITA as well.For the most part the help desk doesn't hear about that anymore though because anybody who can has given up on it and found a better way of doing things. Or pawns it off on the minority that can actually make it work.

Maybe its a thing of beauty behind the scenes. But from an end-user perspective it sucks.

 

[Narse]

I use Lotus Notes all the time, the workflow stuff is amazing, it would be had to do my job without the linked databases and notes e-forms.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Lotus Notes is good stuff. You really get to appreciate it once you start programming/developing in Lotus Notes. Yes, it's odd and has some strange quirks, but Notes can do all sorts of wonderful things, especially once you start using the Lotus Workflow engine.

Consider this: Notes mail client doesn't run VBS/scripts and you can't get viruses through it as easily as Outlook.

That's always the story I here from our corporate IT folks also - how awesome and powerful Lotus Notes is. But it still completely sucks for basic email for the end user, and using the databases as an end user is a complete PITA as well.For the most part the help desk doesn't hear about that anymore though because anybody who can has given up on it and found a better way of doing things. Or pawns it off on the minority that can actually make it work.

Maybe its a thing of beauty behind the scenes. But from an end-user perspective it sucks.

That's my problem with Notes, it tries to be too many things. My company has so many various apps and databases tied to Lotus Notes, it's nuts. But the one thing they really depend on it for is email, and I don't think it's a great email client. It's slow, not very intuitive for the end-user (most of which are used to Outlook), and did I mention SLOW?

 

[ArchCenturion]

I started using it, not a big fan so far. All other emails are blocked. ie gmail, yahoo, school...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Lotus Notes is good stuff. You really get to appreciate it once you start programming/developing in Lotus Notes. Yes, it's odd and has some strange quirks, but Notes can do all sorts of wonderful things, especially once you start using the Lotus Workflow engine.

Consider this: Notes mail client doesn't run VBS/scripts and you can't get viruses through it as easily as Outlook.

LOL,

And that's the final answer. Don't want e-mail viruses? Run notes.

It always comes down to that when you get exchange/notes guys in the same room.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: trmiv

That's my problem with Notes, it tries to be too many things. My company has so many various apps and databases tied to Lotus Notes, it's nuts. But the one thing they really depend on it for is email, and I don't think it's a great email client. It's slow, not very intuitive for the end-user (most of which are used to Outlook), and did I mention SLOW?

It's not a e-mail program. That's secondary.

 

[thehstrybean]

We have a couple of people that use it...I hate it...Outlook FTW!

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
Lotus Notes is good stuff. You really get to appreciate it once you start programming/developing in Lotus Notes. Yes, it's odd and has some strange quirks, but Notes can do all sorts of wonderful things, especially once you start using the Lotus Workflow engine.

Consider this: Notes mail client doesn't run VBS/scripts and you can't get viruses through it as easily as Outlook.

Too true, notes is so much more than an e-mail client, outlook/exchange has only just started to venture where notes has been for years!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Too true, notes is so much more than an e-mail client, outlook/exchange has only just started to venture where notes has been for years!

Exactly. What other groupware package is there?

There isn't. They have it nailed down and perfected.

 

[rh71]

Well it's no secret M$ is the best at user-intuitiveness. Their success is justified.

Lotus Notes is not as simple to use and has more quirks in comparison... but I don't think it "sucks". How many people even know there's more to it ? That it's obviously not a "we-kept-it-simple-stupid" app like M$ always does. Different purposes.

 

[spike spiegal]

BS, Lotus Notes pwns exchange.....LOL.

Lotus Notes is a collaboration tool / E-mail client - Exchange is a server, moron.

I do Notes/Domino administration along with Exchange, and personally I woulnd't pay five cents for Lotus Notes and it's crappy, 1995 interface and horrid ergonomics. Most of my users hate it, half of them lie and use Outlook 2003 as a pop client on the side, and I feel sorry for any company still running it. The only reason you do is your management is too cheap to move to Exchange, or you're too frikken ignorant to use real world programming tools other than Note's obsolete workflows invented by people no longer working at IBM/Lotus because they were fired.

Lotus Domino is a cool platform, and in most respects more evolved than Exchange, but as a mail client Outlook 2003 is *lightyears* ahead of Notes 7.0.

 

[spike spiegal]

That it's obviously not a "we-kept-it-simple-stupid" app

"Stupid" is applications that use endless, recursive .INI files and is written for Win95 API's, while taking upwards of 100meg per session. Thats Lotus Notes.

Outlook uses the registry and profiles, and uses modren installer tools written this decade.

Lotus Domino requires a 3ghz P4 with a gig of RAM just to move while I've run Exchange 2000 on 300ghz PII's with 512 meg of RAM, and it still ran faster than the Domino box.

This guy has the best attitude about the matter:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/04/06/cz_dl_0406notes.html

 

[rh71]

^ and Outlook does everything Notes can do ?

 

[spidey07]

notes/exchange fight!!!

fight, fight, fight!!!

Sprinkle in a few "well, POP3 does everything that outlook/exhange does" and we're on.

Seriously though, I'm interested in market share in fortune 500 companies. Because all I see is notes.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: trmiv

That's my problem with Notes, it tries to be too many things. My company has so many various apps and databases tied to Lotus Notes, it's nuts. But the one thing they really depend on it for is email, and I don't think it's a great email client. It's slow, not very intuitive for the end-user (most of which are used to Outlook), and did I mention SLOW?

It's not a e-mail program. That's secondary.

When the people I support think Notes, they think email client, not "hey what a great groupware app this is!!!!!". Email is what it's depended on most for, regardless of the many other things we use it for. Most users just use the email features, and it just isn't a good mail client. Many of the Notes based apps and databases we use are being migrated to other platforms, but what will be left when all that is gone? Notes as an email client.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: trmiv
When the people I support think Notes, they think email client, not "hey what a great groupware app this is!!!!!". Email is what it's depended on most for, regardless of the many other things we use it for. Most users just use the email features, and it just isn't a good mail client. Many of the Notes based apps and databases we use are being migrated to other platforms, but what will be left when all that is gone? Notes as an email client.

So blame the company and not the tool?

that's all I'm trying to say. Enterprise computing uses tools out the wazoo, but to blame the best tool out there for not using the tool properly doesn't make sense. You can apply this to ANY enterprise tool on ANY platform for ANY need.

Being too stupid to use the tool correctly isn't a good excuse IMHO.

-edit- reference people that bemoan SAP and peoplesoft. It's not the tool, it's the organization.

 

[bigfil]

Originally posted by: trmiv
Yea? Try supporting it. I had never even USED Lotus Notes when I got at job at a place that uses Notes. I started as a project tech, doing various projects not related to Lotus Notes. Eventually they liked my other tech skills and hired me as a desktop support tech, meanwhile I still knew NOTHING about Notes. I've since learned how to support it on the fly, and it has been an adventure for someone who has an Outlook/Exchange background. I consider myself pretty decent at supporting it now. It actually has a ton of features that the company uses. They made some confusing design choices though when it was developed that make it odd to support at times.

i too supported notes on my previous job
personally it was an ok email client
the database side was kool when it worked
other than that tis not too bad