G-7 Summit to be held at...Trump Doral! Surprised?

UNCjigga

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President Trump had hinted repeatedly that he intended to hold the annual gathering at Trump National Doral Miami, where profits have fallen in recent years.

Mick Mulvaney says no other candidate for hosting came close...almost like the resort was purpose-built for emoluments...err...I mean, hosting summits.
 
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OH NO! How can that be ? Isn't it illegal and against the emoluments clause of the Constitution?

"The Title of Nobility Clause is a provision in Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,[1] that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states and monarchies without the consent of the United States Congress. The Clause is subject to interpretation.[2] Also known as the Emoluments Clause, it was designed to shield the federal officeholders of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences." The clause is reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in Article I, Section 10, and more generally by the Republican Guarantee Clause in Article IV, Section 4. "

errr wait.


The Emoluments Clause may refer to the following clauses in the United States Constitution:

  • The Ineligibility Clause, Article I, Section 6, Clause 2, also called the Incompatibility Clause, affecting members of Congress
  • The Foreign Emoluments Clause, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8, also called the Title of Nobility Clause, affecting the executive branch
  • The Domestic Emoluments Clause, Article II, Section 1, Clause 7, also called the Presidential Emoluments Clause, affecting the President's salary
Thank you.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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I don't know what the cost comparison between this and other likely places where it could be held.

But on its face alone this seems to be a bad move with just the optics of it.

He would be better off paying more for a spot that isn't a Trump holding.
 
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dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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in the future we need to make it impossible for an elect member of the government, including the pres, to profit from their position like this. the emoluments clause doesn't seem to be cutting it, at least not with a party like the current gop. anything trump earns from this should be given to the government. or he should host it for free and for him to pay any expenses.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't know what the cost comparison between this and other likely places where it could be held.

But on its face alone this seems to be a bad move with just the optics of it.

He would be better off paying more for a spot that isn't a Trump holding.

You know it's completely unacceptable that Trump would even suggest such a thing. It's an assault on our principles & values. This country does not exist to enrich the President.
 

Jhhnn

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in the future we need to make it impossible for an elect member of the government, including the pres, to profit from their position like this. the emoluments clause doesn't seem to be cutting it, at least not with a party like the current gop. anything trump earns from this should be given to the government. or he should host it for free and for him to pay any expenses.

Bullshit. It should simply be held elsewhere. A president who cared more about America than his own aggrandizement & profit wouldn't even consider it.
 

Paratus

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Jun 4, 2004
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OH NO! How can that be ? Isn't it illegal and against the emoluments clause of the Constitution?

"The Title of Nobility Clause is a provision in Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,[1] that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states and monarchies without the consent of the United States Congress. The Clause is subject to interpretation.[2] Also known as the Emoluments Clause, it was designed to shield the federal officeholders of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences." The clause is reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in Article I, Section 10, and more generally by the Republican Guarantee Clause in Article IV, Section 4. "

errr wait.


The Emoluments Clause may refer to the following clauses in the United States Constitution:

  • The Ineligibility Clause, Article I, Section 6, Clause 2, also called the Incompatibility Clause, affecting members of Congress
  • The Foreign Emoluments Clause, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8, also called the Title of Nobility Clause, affecting the executive branch
  • The Domestic Emoluments Clause, Article II, Section 1, Clause 7, also called the Presidential Emoluments Clause, affecting the President's salary
Thank you.

From your link to the Domestic Emoluments Clause:

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.


So yup, other than his official compensation, it is unconstitutional for the president to receive any other payments made by the federal or state governments under the Domestic Emoluments clause.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.
 
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zzyzxroad

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Legal or not this is completely unethical and anyone saying otherwise is wrong. This presidency is an embarrassment.
 

Cr0nJ0b

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I think this is explicitly illegal...For a federal employee to profit or make personal gain from their office...I mean even outside of emoluments. I heard the announcement from mick and was just amazed. The justification that they are "doing this for cost" so there would be no profit...really guys? Okay, lets start with looking at the books. We need to know the exact cost for everything included in the event. Next there is the little case for advertisement. How much free ad time is your resort getting? Is it legal to promote your personal businesses from your political office? Of course this is just shouting at the wind. His base and the GOP don't care as long as it's their guy.
 

NTMBK

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Add it to the articles of impeachment. Pretty sure abusing your office for personal enrichment falls under High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
 
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I see a lot of people on the right saying "But he's doing it at cost". Even if that is true (who would believe him?) there is still the publicity as well as however much money is spent on improvements to the facility to accommodate the foreign dignitaries and heads of state. Currently they only have two "Presidential Suites".

Guess who would be on the hook for that?
 

fskimospy

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There are literally former public officials in prison today for corruptly awarding contracts so they would personally profit. And to anyone who says Trump said he wouldn’t make a profit and do it at cost he can open his financials at any time and prove it.

This is the most blatantly corrupt action by a sitting president in history.
 

Paratus

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There are literally former public officials in prison today for corruptly awarding contracts so they would personally profit. And to anyone who says Trump said he wouldn’t make a profit and do it at cost he can open his financials at any time and prove it.

This is the most blatantly corrupt action by a sitting president in history.

I actually believe profit doesn’t matter. The emoluments clauses are pretty clear that ANY money other than congressionally approved foreign emoluments is unconstitutional.
 

Vic

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I actually believe profit doesn’t matter. The emoluments clauses are pretty clear that ANY money other than congressionally approved foreign emoluments is unconstitutional.
Correct. An emolument is any form of payment or compensation. It does not have to be profitable.
 
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