G skill DDR2-1000

timot

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Hey guys, i have G-Skill DDR2-1000 F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ. Been using this ram for a while, got it to 981MHz max @ factory spec v and latency. So I was playing around with my computer and go to CPUZ and noticed that my Max Bandwidth for this ram is pc2-6400..... so...... is the cpuz going haywire or my ram is bad or its normal?
 

TC91

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In cpuz its only the spd settings ( the settings that will boot properly on any ddr2 motherboard with only 1.8v required ). Everything is normal, no worries.
 

timot

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ahh i c.. so it's normal... umm btw, when i set my memory to 1000mhz in bios, but how come it only comes up to 981? can i OC it more?
 

n7

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RAM frequencies are calculated from the FSB & ratio used on Intel systems, so the speed will vary.

Can you OC it more?

Sure, either choose a higher ratio or increase FSB speed.

Keep Memtest86+ handy for checking stability, as well as HCI Memtest or Prime 95 Blend or IntelBurnTest in Windows.
 

n7

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We need a lot more info before we can help with settings.

CPU?
Mobo?
Pics of CPU-Z's CPU's Memory & CPU tabs?
 

BonzaiDuck

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Agreeing with n7, but even if you set FSB and RAM to "unlinked" while picking a certain set value for RAM frequency, the board will realize a frequency according to integer arithmetic for discrete CPU : RAM ratio values.

When you dial in these settings under an "unlinked" regime, I've always found it useful to do the arithmetic that matches FSB with DDR as precisely as possible and for a chosen ratio. Here's an example.

EXAMPLE:

You have a CPU spec'd for 1333 FSB -- CPU_FSB of 333 and multiplier 10 -- and you want to OC it so that it runs DDR2-1000 RAM at its rated spec. But you can't get this CPU to 2,000 FSB, so you choose a ratio of 4:5.

Then 5 * X = 500 [calculated as half the DDR speed]
and X = 100

You would then attempt to OC the processor at its stock multiplier so that:

4 * 4 * 100 = 1,600 FSB

That is, the quad data rate factor is 4, you need an additional factor of 4 for the 4:5 ratio, and you would run up the front side bus from 1333 to 1600 so you could achieve the RAM spec of DDR2-1000 at a 4:5 ratio.

If for instance the CPU multiplier is 10, you are starting from a CPU_FSB (a fourth of the [QDR] FSB) of 333 and 3.33 Ghz, to over-clock to 10 * 400 or 4.0 Ghz.

In other words, with your own FSB OC choice, you might as well have just dialed in 981 in the motherboard setting. You can OC the CPU and FSB further, but I would choose the OC target based on the RAM DDR frequency you hope to attain. Which means . . . . "do the integer arithmetic first."

If you can't get a stable setting by running up the processor quite as far as the target, then you can either pick a different ratio or settle for less than the RAM spec. If you settle for less, you may be able to tweak the timings tighter and break even.

There are some ratios other than 1:1 (considered the best) which provide better bandwidth than others. 4:5 is among those so favored.
 

timot

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Originally posted by: n7
We need a lot more info before we can help with settings.

CPU?
Mobo?
Pics of CPU-Z's CPU's Memory & CPU tabs?

will go home and do that this evening.

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Agreeing with n7, but even if you set FSB and RAM to "unlinked" while picking a certain set value for RAM frequency, the board will realize a frequency according to integer arithmetic for discrete CPU : RAM ratio values.

When you dial in these settings under an "unlinked" regime, I've always found it useful to do the arithmetic that matches FSB with DDR as precisely as possible and for a chosen ratio. Here's an example.

EXAMPLE:

You have a CPU spec'd for 1333 FSB -- CPU_FSB of 333 and multiplier 10 -- and you want to OC it so that it runs DDR2-1000 RAM at its rated spec. But you can't get this CPU to 2,000 FSB, so you choose a ratio of 4:5.

Then 5 * X = 500 [calculated as half the DDR speed]
and X = 100

You would then attempt to OC the processor at its stock multiplier so that:

4 * 4 * 100 = 1,600 FSB

That is, the quad data rate factor is 4, you need an additional factor of 4 for the 4:5 ratio, and you would run up the front side bus from 1333 to 1600 so you could achieve the RAM spec of DDR2-1000 at a 4:5 ratio.

If for instance the CPU multiplier is 10, you are starting from a CPU_FSB (a fourth of the [QDR] FSB) of 333 and 3.33 Ghz, to over-clock to 10 * 400 or 4.0 Ghz.

In other words, with your own FSB OC choice, you might as well have just dialed in 981 in the motherboard setting. You can OC the CPU and FSB further, but I would choose the OC target based on the RAM DDR frequency you hope to attain. Which means . . . . "do the integer arithmetic first."

If you can't get a stable setting by running up the processor quite as far as the target, then you can either pick a different ratio or settle for less than the RAM spec. If you settle for less, you may be able to tweak the timings tighter and break even.

There are some ratios other than 1:1 (considered the best) which provide better bandwidth than others. 4:5 is among those so favored.

.... lol confused, ok i will provide screen shot first, then i will re read it.. ;p
 

timot

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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/t_mo_t/cpuz-1.jpg

i return all the values to stock and my memory is at 1000MHz. And i used to OC 3.4GHz (1511FSB) and memory only hits to 981.xxMHz. Whenever i go higher fsb, the memory would go up too. I tried 1555fsb and my memory hits 999.7 but when i increase fsb to 1557, memory hits 990.xx

so is this normal???
 

n7

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I can't even see what's in the screenshot; not resizing it might help us out

You need to set the RAM ratio manually if you don't want the speed it is running at to change on its own.

RAM speed is based off FSB speed.

So if you have a CPU @ 8x400, some standard ratios would be:
1:1 = DDR2-800
5:6 = DDR2-960
4:5 = DDR2-1000

And so on.
 

Yellowbeard

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Originally posted by: timot
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/t_mo_t/cpuz-1.jpg

i return all the values to stock and my memory is at 1000MHz. And i used to OC 3.4GHz (1511FSB) and memory only hits to 981.xxMHz. Whenever i go higher fsb, the memory would go up too. I tried 1555fsb and my memory hits 999.7 but when i increase fsb to 1557, memory hits 990.xx

so is this normal???
Yes, if you are using an Nvidia chipset based MOBO. There is an algorythm used by the bios to determine the appropriate memory speed in relation to the CPU speed.

 

timot

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Originally posted by: n7
I can't even see what's in the screenshot; not resizing it might help us out

You need to set the RAM ratio manually if you don't want the speed it is running at to change on its own.

RAM speed is based off FSB speed.

So if you have a CPU @ 8x400, some standard ratios would be:
1:1 = DDR2-800
5:6 = DDR2-960
4:5 = DDR2-1000

And so on.

Ok, i will provide better screenshot when i get home from work.

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Yes, if you are using an Nvidia chipset based MOBO. There is an algorythm used by the bios to determine the appropriate memory speed in relation to the CPU speed.

yep, i m using evga 780i, so you mean it doesnt matter how high the fsb, the bios will calculate the memory speed by itself??
 

Yellowbeard

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yep, i m using evga 780i, so you mean it doesnt matter how high the fsb, the bios will calculate the memory speed by itself??
To an extent it will. Play with your bios some and you'll see what I mean. Try the different modes (linked, synch, unlinked, etc) and change the CPU speed and hit enter. As you scale up and down in any of those modes, you'll see how it changes.
 
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