G0 or wait for Penryn

[MeSh1]

Hey everyone,

Im getting ready to build a system (intel/nvidia) and i was wondering if i should jump on an intel G0 stepping chip or wait for Intel's next baby... the 45nm Penryn. Ill probably get the DS3 mobo to go with it. I just want to get some thoughts what what you guys think i should do. I do expect to pay a premium if i take the 45nm route, but the G0 chips are cheap and so damn tempting. Plus ill be able to get my system sooner and be able to jump on some Crysis, TFC2 and UT this year. Man couple that with my 360 gaming and it looks like im not going to have too much free time . Anyway i just wanted to get some thoughts from all the forum heads here. My current specs are 3.2 northwood (yup)/1gb/asus p4c800/ati x1650. Im in need of a serious upgrade. With these specs though i might be able to pull off some TFC2 this October so if i wait for the Penryn ill have that game to tie me over. Anyway, thanks in advance. Peace

 

[asdftt123]

Depends on you...do you need a new system now? IMO, Penryn isn't going to be significantly better than the 65nm chips on the market today so if I were you and anticipating some new releases I'd jump on a Q6600 or E6850 now with a P35 board. If you wait for Penryn, however, you won't see any mainstream chips until next year unless you want to jump on the QX6950 ($1000) due out in a few months. IMO, Penryn is not worth waiting for because it's basically a shrink of the same architecture with a few optimizations. I just upgraded from a Pentium M Banias 1.6, 768mb DDR3, and FX5200 laptop to the rig in my sig and I couldn't be happier. The real question is...wait for new GPU's or not.

 

[MarcVenice]

You won't be able to afford Penryn untill Q1 2008. So do you want to wait 3-4 months for a minor increase in performance over Conroe or do you want to enjoy a new system right now? Imo Penryn is not something worth waiting over, unless it's coming out in less then a month. It might be worth waiting till the Crysis demo comes out though, so you can see how it performs with 8800 videocards. If it's okay, then I would upgrade.

 

[MeSh1]

Interesting.

asdftt1243: I recently read an article regarding the penryn architecture and the short of it was that the next big leap for processors wont be until the 32nm (next gen) so you might have a point and thank you for your response.

MarcVenice: Its probably not a bad idea to wait for the Crysis Demo to drop since itll probably the benchmark for gaming systems to come for a while along with the UT demo. Thank you also for your response.

This is why i asked because i now have two perspectives. I guess ima start shopping for a mobo this weekend since ill start buying components at teh beginning of Oct. After the Crysis demo drops. Thanks again this was very insightful. Peace


Luckily the Orange Box (TFC2) will be playable on an xp system.. whoo hooo!!

 

[Nurn]

Try to find the extra cash for an 8800GTX instead of the GTS (even if it means dropping 2 gigs of RAM). Major difference in gaming performance.

 

[imported_Shaq]

I agree with the rest of the comments so far. The only one coming out this year will be $1000. Next year if you plan on OC'ing you will need to buy one with at least a 8X multi, and preferably 9X, which will cost well over $280. Those are the reasons I decided to buy mine now and just wait for Nehalem, one of the models of which will have 8 cores and 16 threads. It should run 2 instances of Alan Wake no problem.

 

[MeSh1]

Makes sense. so long as the ds3 can support future chips ill be happy. I almost forgot about Alan Wake which will be optimized for multi threaded (quad i believe) operation another benchmark for cpu/graph when its released. Thanks again everyone. is the DS3 still a good board to purchase?


Again, thanks. Peace

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: MeSh1
Makes sense. so long as the ds3 can support future chips ill be happy. I almost forgot about Alan Wake which will be optimized for multi threaded (quad i believe) operation another benchmark for cpu/graph when its released. Thanks again everyone. is the DS3 still a good board to purchase?


Again, thanks. Peace

Nehalem will not be socket 775, so no, DS3 will not be compatible.

 

[defiantsf]

Nehalem is suppose to have an integrated memory controller. It's a totally different ball game.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: defiantsf
Nehalem is suppose to have an integrated memory controller. It's a totally different ball game.

Isnt there two versions? One with integrated MC (server) and one without (desktop)?

 

[MeSh1]

Nah, i believe they're all gonna have integrated memory controller and gpu which is crazy.

 

[darkfalz]

TF2 is perfectly playable on my second rig (see sig).

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: MeSh1
Nah, i believe they're all gonna have integrated memory controller and gpu which is crazy.

The GPU will most definitely not be in every nehalem based product. And for the IMC, there are indeed some rumors saying it may end up being reserved for high-end parts.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: MeSh1
I recently read an article regarding the penryn architecture and the short of it was that the next big leap for processors wont be until the 32nm (next gen)

The switch to 45nm won't be "the next big leap for processors". The next big leap will be Nehalem, which will debut on 45nm, not 32.

 

[covert24]

its good that intel is finally taking the initiative and putting a IMC onboard the chips. should have done it a long time ago but w/e

 

[MeSh1]

Originally posted by: covert24
its good that intel is finally taking the initiative and putting a IMC onboard the chips. should have done it a long time ago but w/e

Im sure Apple is going to be happy about it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

From a per performance per $$ view point . Buy the G0.

If in consider everthing as something tangible.

Future proofing / SSE4 = Penryn

Performance gain/ = Penrtn

Effciency/ = Penryn

Thermo's/ = Penryn

Platform matutity/= Penrtn

Now Ya have to ask yourself this! Do ya have the Patience to wait for penryn . Or do ya want to be SORRY later.

 

[Xcom1Cheetah]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: MeSh1
Makes sense. so long as the ds3 can support future chips ill be happy. I almost forgot about Alan Wake which will be optimized for multi threaded (quad i believe) operation another benchmark for cpu/graph when its released. Thanks again everyone. is the DS3 still a good board to purchase?


Again, thanks. Peace

Nehalem will not be socket 775, so no, DS3 will not be compatible.

Btw on wich platform Intel showed the Nehalem Demo in the IDF..? i think it was P35 chipset socket 775 board... thats wot i remember.. but i may be wrong.

 

[bryanW1995]

buy a strong p35 or x38 mobo now. get an e2140/60/80 for $75-$90 here http://www.newegg.com/Product/...2820275&name=Dual-Core , get some cheap-ass ddr2 800 4-4-4-12 memory 2x1 gb for $55 AR here http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231087 , then OC the **** out of the pentium e cpu. buy whatever gpu you want. when penryn gets reasonable on price, sell you cpu for a $20 loss and buy the penryn of your choice.

sorry, let me explain my reasoning. this will be somewhat of a hassle as you will have to build your system, then change out the cpu later. nemesis had some good points that favor penryn. I've looked at many of them, especially the thermal characteristics, and concluded that it was a wise move to wait for quad core until the heat got a little bit more under control. If you're not oc'ing it's nbd, but you can easily heat up a small house with a quad, even a G0 one, at 3.6 right now. I'm hoping that a penryn quad at 3.6-3.8 will not only be 10% or so faster per clock once final steppings and extra cache are taken into account, but that it will also be much cooler. The 10 % I could conceivably live without, but in my neck of the woods the heat is a big issue.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Xcom1Cheetah

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: MeSh1
Makes sense. so long as the ds3 can support future chips ill be happy. I almost forgot about Alan Wake which will be optimized for multi threaded (quad i believe) operation another benchmark for cpu/graph when its released. Thanks again everyone. is the DS3 still a good board to purchase?


Again, thanks. Peace

Nehalem will not be socket 775, so no, DS3 will not be compatible.

Btw on wich platform Intel showed the Nehalem Demo in the IDF..? i think it was P35 chipset socket 775 board... thats wot i remember.. but i may be wrong.

Thats wrong because the pin count of nehalem is different.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, it is not the wait for 32nm, it is the wait for nehalem that is interesting now. I know that it's a year or more away, but I'm already excited to get rid of my future penryn for my future future nehalem. I feel like the guy at work who has 7 ex-wives. He met #6 at wedding #4 IIRC. Sorry, penryn, our romance will be short-lived. Unless amd gives up the ghost, in which case we might be stuck together "till death do us part".

 

[ahock]

Nehalem was demoed in a 2-socket class motherboard using Tylersburg chipset as per in IDF. So two that was highlight during the demo. The health of Nehalem which is 3 weeks old and their new Tylersburg chipset.

No news on desktop in IDF

 

[darkfalz]

I like Core 2 architecture, so I think I will buy a mature Penryn (ie. the 6x50 "refresh" equivalent) when they can be had on the cheap and the 9x00 series is mature.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I agree Penryn is good . I will have one . Nehalem is exciting . But will 1st generation Nehalem be that much better than Penryn? Now Intel has flat out said Nehalem C on 32nm is going to be exciting . All the info from intel were their is going to be a hugh performance gains points to 09.
I like the way Intel is handling the info they give out. They said Merom would be great and Penryn would be better.

On nehalem they seem to be saying Nehalem will be better than Penryn but Nehalem C on 32nm will be great, See the differance. I want Nehalem but I will wait for 32nm Nehalem C . and for the first time ever . Use Intel only parts . Nehalem Processor/ Intel M/B and Larrabe. Hopefully DDR4 . Or maybe even better memory . who knows.
Solid state HD's should be way cheaper and better by than I would think.

At this point in time it shouldn't make any differance to anyone if its Intel or AMD that someone buys. As the performance in 2009 should be hugh compared to were we are now from both companies . Were the differances are will be graphics and rendering power.

Who ever has the best Graphics render will get my $$$. Be it Intel or for the first time ever for me AMD. As performance to me won't be an issue. But what I see on my monitor will be the determining factor. Until I see it tho it will be nehalem c but it could be amd.

 

[MeSh1]

I guess my thinking is if I buy current gen G0 that'll easily hold me over untill Nehalem makes some noise whether it be first gen Nehalem chips or after they mature. Plus i want a system now since a lot of fun games are comin' out this year .

Im thinking:
Not sure if Q6600 or E6750
Gigabyte P35C DS3R
2 or 4 gig's of mem (any suggestions) - Crucial Ballistixs DDR2 800 4-4-4-12?
EVGA 8800 GTS
Some Tuniq Tower 120 action to go with that - hope theres no issue with the mobo