G3258 OC Gigabyte H97N Wifi M-ITX Boot loop

[FriskyNoodle]

EDIT: The issue isnt the fact that i cannot access windows at all, I can, just have to reset BIOS to defaults. I just want to know if there is something I am missing or doing wrong to OC this G3258.


So I wanted to OC my friends G3258 and I know its possible to push to 4.1ghz at 1.2v on this board (referring to another post) but for some reason no matter what I change, or do, or set in the BIOS I get a bootloop, it goes past BIOS screen and then it says "startup repair" or "launch windows normally" and when I click launch windows normally, it goes back to BIOS screen. I have tried every single BIOS revision, uncore set to auto, and uncore set to 34 when CPU was set to 40. I have manually set voltage to 1.2v (capped) and made all the proper adjustments for any normal/light OC.

Again, I change CPU clock ratio to 33 from 32 and same thing happens. It simply wont boot into windows. Im at a loss.

Specs
Windows 7 (not 10)
H100i Liquid cooler
Pentium G3258
Gigabyte H97N Wifi M ITX
8gb EVGA 1866mhz DDR3 ram
EVGA 960 2GB GPU
550 watt EVGA Platinum PSU

I managed to OC my brothers G3258 on his Gigabyte H81 Micro ATX board perfectly fine at 1.325v 4.5ghz perfectly fine with an H60 liquid cooler on CPU so I have no idea what the deal is.

 

[sm625]

Try 1.3V. That is where I ran my G3258 every day.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Try 1.3V. That is where I ran my G3258 every day.

It will not allow me to go past 1.2v on BIOS like I said it is capped.

Which is fine, but I don't see that being the issue that it will only load windows boot manager and gives me 2 options being "Startup Repair" or "Launch Windows Normally" and then I cant even launch Windows until I set back to defaults. It simply repeats itself until I change clock ratio from ANY # back down to 32 (3.2ghz)

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Are you running the latest bios version?

Not sure if it's the case here, but there was an issue with win10 not playing nice with the 3258 overclocking because it's the only overclockable chip that doesn't have turbo or something.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Are you running the latest bios version?

Not sure if it's the case here, but there was an issue with win10 not playing nice with the 3258 overclocking because it's the only overclockable chip that doesn't have turbo or something.

I tried every single BIOS revision for the motherboard and it would do the same thing, even if I changed clock ratio by 0.1ghz

let me update post to show his pc is on Windows 7.

 

[sm625]

Ouch capped at 1.2 kind of sucks. When I tried 1.2V I couldnt OC past 4.0 stable.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Ouch capped at 1.2 kind of sucks. When I tried 1.2V I couldnt OC past 4.0 stable.

The problem is even if I tried to OC to 3.3 to 4.5 etc... I get the same issue over and over again until I set it back to 3.2 (stock) clock speed, does not matter the clock ratio.

 

[lyssword]

Sometimes when you "default" your bios, it could switch hdd mode to ACHI/IDe, change itup and see if that helps

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

clean install windows. you can always boot off a linux usb or install linux if windows doesnt work. also, if that CPU isn't OC to 4.5 ghz or more, you arent overclocking it aggressive enough.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Sometimes when you "default" your bios, it could switch hdd mode to ACHI/IDe, change itup and see if that helps

I can boot into BIOS and Windows fine once I remove OC. Thats not the problem. The problem I am facing is simply not being able to boot into windows WHEN OCed.

clean install windows. you can always boot off a linux usb or install linux if windows doesnt work. also, if that CPU isn't OC to 4.5 ghz or more, you arent overclocking it aggressive enough.

But I can boot windows fine, it is only if I try to OC past stock. It can be an any increment small or big. Thats the problem I am trying to resolve is why I cant boot into windows once the CPU is OCed even from 3.2ghz to 3.3ghz.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

I can boot into BIOS and Windows fine once I remove OC. Thats not the problem. The problem I am facing is simply not being able to boot into windows WHEN OCed.



But I can boot windows fine, it is only if I try to OC past stock. It can be an any increment small or big. Thats the problem I am trying to resolve is why I cant boot into windows once the CPU is OCed even from 3.2ghz to 3.3ghz.

can you boot off linux when OC? try creating a bootable linux usb stick and boot off of it. if it works, nothing is wrong with the bios, its windows issue.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

can you boot off linux when OC? try creating a bootable linux usb stick and boot off of it. if it works, nothing is wrong with the bios, its windows issue.

Good idea. I did not think of that. Thanks. I did see a post on this forum someone claiming they got 4.1ghz at 1.2v on the same exact motherboard but doesnt explain anything past that. Wish they did. Thanks for the suggestion, but in the meantime, I hope people can still respond with other ideas.

 

[richierich1212]

Intel didn't want people overclocking the G3258 on non-Z based motherboards so they got Microsoft to release a windows update with microcode to disable overclocking.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

Either it's the software issues or the OP lost huge in the silicon lottery.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Intel didn't want people overclocking the G3258 on non-Z based motherboards so they got Microsoft to release a windows update with microcode to disable overclocking.

Oh man, if anyone knew which update to uninstall, this will help so much eliminating that as an issue (if it isnt the problem itself).

Wait for Windows 10 or Windows 7 or both? Because hes on Windows 7

Weird thing is, my brother has the latest Windows 10 installed on his PC and his OC is at 4.5ghz 1.325v on an Gigabyte H81 Motherboard.

 

[richierich1212]

We had a decent discussion regarding Non-Z overclocking here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...king-enabled-for-pentium-3258.2389948/page-15

I had a cheap ASRock H81, MSI B85, and Gigabyte H81 motherboard all able to overclock with G3258 on Win7 but I didn't update their BIOS. (Sold some parts to Virtual Larry )

Good luck to ya and hope you figure out the issue.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

We had a decent discussion regarding Non-Z overclocking here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...king-enabled-for-pentium-3258.2389948/page-15

I had a cheap ASRock H81, MSI B85, and Gigabyte H81 motherboard all able to overclock with G3258 on Win7 but I didn't update their BIOS. (Sold some parts to Virtual Larry )

Good luck to ya and hope you figure out the issue.

Appreciate the link to the thread, I'm going to start with renaming that intel dll that disables OC on G3258 and report back here. Hopefully it is as simple as that.



ITS FIXED

It was the windows update and the intel file that was stopping me from OCing. Thank you so much for all your suggestions.

4.4ghz
1.195v
60C at load

My friend was running Witcher 3 (I was watching on Teamviewer) and was freaking out cause his stuttering in the game was completely eliminated. Thank god it is fixed.

Instructions on how to fix if anyone else has the issue
Click the spoiler

Spoiler

1) Either disable one core of the CPU in the BIOS or remove all OC and return to stock settings or both. Whatever it takes to install Windows 10 successfully.

2) Once booted into Windows 10, navigate to C:\Windows\System32 and find the file named 'mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll'.

3) All you have to do is rename it. Most posts I've read say it's safe to just delete it but I prefer renaming it. Just add .old or .bak to the end of the filename.
So it would look like 'mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll.OLD' or 'mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll.BAK' (or 'mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll.MyStupidCat' will also work

)

4) You will have to temporarily change permissions on the file to change the name since it's a system file and will say 'File Access Denied' when you try to rename it (or do anything with it, really)

Change the permissions:
(Credit: © 2015 Sergey Tkachenko at WinAero.com)

There are pictures on that site if you prefer to go there and do it that way, but I'll just describe it with steps.

This may seem like a lot of steps but it's necessary for someone who has no previous experience working with file permissions. For those who are, just set permissions as usual to allow renaming of the specified file.

1) Right-click on the file whose permissions you wish to change ('mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll', in this case)

2) Select Properties then click on the Security tab.

3) Click on the Advanced button. A window named 'Advanced Security Settings for Data' will open.

4) Here you need to change the Owner of the file. Initially it should say the Owner is 'TrustedInstaller'.

5) Click the blue letters just to the right of that that says 'Change'.

6) A small window named 'Select User or Group' will open.

7) You will need to select a User or Group. There are a couple of ways to do this and this step may cause some confusion but here's how I do it:

a) Type your name or whatever the name is of the current user (click the Start button at the very lower left of the Desktop and the name is at the very top of the left column) into the box that is named 'Enter the object name to select'. The spelling must be exact.

b) Click on the Check Names button. It should then show the name of your computer plus the name you just entered.

c) Click OK.

8) Now you will provide yourself full access to the file. (which will allow the renaming of the file without the Access Denied message)

9) Close all the remaining open dialog boxes by clicking OK on each of them.

10) Right-click the file (mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll) once more. Select Properties then click on the Security tab.

11) Click the Add button and the box from before named 'Permission Entry for Data' will open.

12) Click on the blue letters that say 'Select a Principal'. Once again the small Select User or Group box will open.

13) Again type in your name or the name of the current user (same as before) and click Check Names then OK.

14) This will take you back to the box named 'Permission Entry for Data'.

15) Make sure there is a check mark in Full Control then click OK and OK again to close all open dialog boxes.

You can now rename the file.

 

[FriskyNoodle]

Accidental double post

 

[VirtualLarry]

Or, just use a Linux LiveUSB boot stick, and boot up, access your Windows partition / drive, search for "GenuineIntel", find that .DLL file, and rename (both!) instances of it.