G80 De-Mystified; GeForce 8800GTX/GT

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Avalon
When they say the core clock can be scalable up to 1.5Ghz, what if they mean 750Mhz x 2? After all, most of you guys seem to agree that this will likely be a dual die GPU, so 750Mhz per GPU does not seem unreasonable for a next gen item.

You're probably right.





God, I hate Marketese.

 

[fierydemise]

There are too many strange things with these specs, we can speculate and try to make sense of them all we want but I'm going to reserve judgement until we have real benchmarks

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
^^^LOL hahahaha...this is definitely one of the dumbest posts I've read in awhile.

Nope, I beat it by finding this one ^^^^ LOL LOL LOLLLLLOOOLLLLLLL, you tool.

True true, nobody could match your sheer stupidty.

Sure, but unfortunately calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.

 

[TheLiberalTruth]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TheLiberalTruth

Originally posted by: Genx87
Like I said, market will dictate prices. Apparently however you are in the minority and thus Nvidia prices stay higher than you like.

So, why do you think that? You're probably some 17 year old nub who has taken one economics class in high school and now thinks he understands all aspects of the economy.
Haven't you ever noticed how other countries don't always have the same prices for products as we do? Not to mention the fact that the market doesn't always have a whole heck of a lot to do with prices anyway. Ever heard of price fixing? Seems you're not quite the omnipotent being you purport yourself to be.
It's really too bad that the people with the lowest IQs and least significant things to say are so often the loudest.

If you have proof of price fixing which is illegal please come forward and give it to the proper authorities.

Other countries dont have the same prices and are often higher because they have more inefficiencies within their economies which prevent the same price's as you will find within the United States. This can be from oppressive taxation on the product, poor supply distribution systems, or the fact it isnt built within the country it is being sold.

But none the less for that region the market will set the price even with the above factored in.

The only time the market doesnt have a lot to do with prices is when the govt gets involved or there is price fixing and or collusion on the part of the manufacturers.

I don't recall saying there was price fixing in this case, I said that it is one of many cases where supply and demand do not dictate price.
Oppressive taxation? Inefficiencies in their economies? When the govt gets involved? Must you conservatives always default to blaming the government when you don't know what you're talking about?
< sigh >
Also, when did it become convention to use an apostrophe to indicate plurality?

 

[TheLiberalTruth]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Genx87
Like me? I am not buying any of these cards at these prices so nice try. Nvidia doesnt set ripoff prices the market does, this is basic economics.

Looks like the video forum is full of liberals too. They don't understand Capitalism.

Oh boy, here comes the conservative troll cavalry to flame me for my political beliefs. :roll:

 

[TheLiberalTruth]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
There are too many strange things with these specs, we can speculate and try to make sense of them all we want but I'm going to reserve judgement until we have real benchmarks

I agree, but I'll definitely not be buying one of these things, even if all these specs are right, at least not right away. Just look at the 7800GTX; 600USD last June, now you can get a 7900GT which is just as fast (or faster), runs cooler/quieter, and doesn't eat as much current for about 240USD. Personally, I can wait 15 months for a faster, cooler, cheaper refresh product, especially when DX10 won't even be used before then.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Avalon
When they say the core clock can be scalable up to 1.5Ghz, what if they mean 750Mhz x 2? After all, most of you guys seem to agree that this will likely be a dual die GPU, so 750Mhz per GPU does not seem unreasonable for a next gen item.

That makes sense! So the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. All the crazy specs now seem feasible with your idea added to the picture.

 

[RelaxTheMind]

$650 is chump change...

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
$650 is chump change...

You'll soon realise how wrong you are when you grow up and mummy suddenly stops slapping her credit card every time you want something.

 

[hardwareking]

u might need a 1000W+ PSU to power that 700M transistor power hog.
And i really don't understand nvidia's idea of going with 768 mb memory.Thats not really a consumer friendly number.
Well it'll be interesting to see how ATI's R600 fairs against this monster.And i would like to see how this monster fairs against the 7950 gx2.

 

[moonboy403]

oh no...not the 1k psu

just when intel is up for a change coming out with its low power consumption core 2 series

ati and nvidia need to do what intel did.....cutting power consumption while greatly increasing performance
it gotta happen some time!

 

[Griswold]

This is classic FOAR.

 

[Dainas]

I don't care what the wattage requirements are for the G80 to run, I just don't want to be stuck with G7xx technology for another 6months+.

..comon G80/R600, my system is old (try to humor me as I've had well over a year to save up)

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4007

* Unified Shader Architecture
* Support FP16 HDR+MSAA
* Support GDDR4 memories
* Close to 700M transistors (G71 - 278M / G70 - 302M)
* New AA mode : VCAA
* Core clock scalable up to 1.5GHz
* Shader Peformance : 2x Pixel / 12x Vertex over G71
* 8 TCPs & 128 stream processors
* Much more efficient than traditional architecture
* 384-bit memory interface (256-bit+128-bit)
* 768MB memory size (512MB+256MB)
* Two models at launch : GeForce 8800GTX and GeForce 8800GT
* GeForce 8800GTX : 7 TCPs chip, 384-bit memory interface, hybrid water/fan cooler, water cooling for overclocking. US$649
* GeForce 8800GT : 6 TCPs chip, 320-bit memory interface, fan cooler. US$449-499

Our friends have gotten some information of the upcoming NVIDIA G80 and it appears that G80 gonna be unified shader after all. It should be pretty close to the truth and it explained the mystery of the strange DRAM capacities that INQ reported previously. Expect G80 to be out somewhere in mid November along with Kentsfield.

i remember G80 wasnt gonna be unified, maybe the delay has been NV going oh ******! get the pens out boys! and re designing it to get with the times lol

i dunno what a TCP is mind.

and this memory bus, you say 256 plus 128, is that to explain how they get a 384bit bus or is there like 512mem on a 256bit bus, with a seperate 256mem on a 128 bus? or is it just 768mem on a 384bit bus?

As all cards go now (both ATI and NV) they use concurrent 64 bit busses to manage memory. A 256 bit card has 4 64bit memory controllers. It would appear that they simply added 2 more 64 bit controllers for a 384bit bus. This will create a thicker PCB and increase costs, but it will also be a 50% increase in theoretical bandwidth (and probably effective bandwidth) over the last generation. As well as the clockspeed increase to further enhance memory performance.

I still say that graphics cards jumping to XDR is only a matter of time.

 

[Acanthus]

And to the people who say the transistor count isnt possible.

TSMCs 65nm ready for mainstream.

"NexsysSM 65-nm process many advantages over other technologies. The 65-nm process is double the gate density and more than 50-percent faster than NexsysSM 90nm. And, because there's minimal process modification there's an easy migration from 90nm."

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TheLiberalTruth

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TheLiberalTruth

Originally posted by: Genx87
Like I said, market will dictate prices. Apparently however you are in the minority and thus Nvidia prices stay higher than you like.

So, why do you think that? You're probably some 17 year old nub who has taken one economics class in high school and now thinks he understands all aspects of the economy.
Haven't you ever noticed how other countries don't always have the same prices for products as we do? Not to mention the fact that the market doesn't always have a whole heck of a lot to do with prices anyway. Ever heard of price fixing? Seems you're not quite the omnipotent being you purport yourself to be.
It's really too bad that the people with the lowest IQs and least significant things to say are so often the loudest.

If you have proof of price fixing which is illegal please come forward and give it to the proper authorities.

Other countries dont have the same prices and are often higher because they have more inefficiencies within their economies which prevent the same price's as you will find within the United States. This can be from oppressive taxation on the product, poor supply distribution systems, or the fact it isnt built within the country it is being sold.

But none the less for that region the market will set the price even with the above factored in.

The only time the market doesnt have a lot to do with prices is when the govt gets involved or there is price fixing and or collusion on the part of the manufacturers.

I don't recall saying there was price fixing in this case, I said that it is one of many cases where supply and demand do not dictate price.
Oppressive taxation? Inefficiencies in their economies? When the govt gets involved? Must you conservatives always default to blaming the government when you don't know what you're talking about?
< sigh >
Also, when did it become convention to use an apostrophe to indicate plurality?

Oh I ASSumed since we were talking about the current situation with Nvidia cards your reply was on topic. Excuse me for ASSuming you could do such a thing.

As you will note, I said price fixing and collusion will make for higher prices bunkie. But I dont think that is going on in this situation.

Why do we default to blaming the govt? Well in case you havent noticed, when the govt gets overly involved in the market, the market and consumer suffers.

When will you socialists realize your system is flawed, has been tried, and has failed on numerous occasions? The govt is not an answer to everything.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Water cooling is more dangerous than air cooling but as long as you know what you're doing it's safe. I haven't had any problems with my water cooling setup for as long as I've had it.

QFT. You just have to be careful. Now that I've got my X1900XT hooked up and it is getting cooled just fine by it, I'm not having any issues. You live, you learn.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
$650 is chump change...

You'll soon realise how wrong you are when you grow up and mummy suddenly stops slapping her credit card every time you want something.

/taps sarcasm meter

 

[poohbear]

so will all next gen cards have 512mb of ram standard? 256mb seems to be pushed to its limits in many new games.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Fixed.

All water cooling sucks.

When you spring a leak...well, you already know what happens then.

water cooling is the wimps way out

good air cooling is a fine art.... engineering art. making it fanless air cooling is even more awesome

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The stuff has been taken down from both hardspell and vr-zone.

What does this all mean?

...that Shamino messed up again

Who knows. I say just sit back and relax. Even when it hits I'm going to wait and see just how good it does against the R600. If it beats it in what I want it to, then I'll glady buy a G80. I think Nvidia has what it takes to be an industrial leader, but I think ATI has that too. We'll just have to see what happens and not pre-ejaculate before the veil even falls.

:laugh:

I wonder if the whole "... scaling up to 1.5ghz.." means GDDR4 and not the core clock speed.

edit - wonder if this 700M chip means 350 + 350 (dual GPU) as in similiar to 7950GX2 except on 1 PCB.

Good guess on the 1.5ghz thing

makes sense though, GDDR4 is apparently going well in the manufacturing and speed increases are looking very likely, were already at 1Ghz now (2 effective) and i believe those chips on the X1950's can actually already go further, so 1.5Ghz on the memory probably is a realistic bet.

 

[Kalessian]

You guys want the new cards to outperform everything out there, have all the features and more, then when it's a monster you complain like little girls :/

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
You guys want the new cards to outperform everything out there, have all the features and more, then when it's a monster you complain like little girls :/

Because stuff that outperforms everything out there with all the features shouldn't have to be a monster.

Case point: Core 2 Duo.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Kalessian
You guys want the new cards to outperform everything out there, have all the features and more, then when it's a monster you complain like little girls :/

Because stuff that outperforms everything out there with all the features shouldn't have to be a monster.

Case point: Core 2 Duo.

Case point: 65nm.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Case point: 65nm.

Case point that people are suspecting this to be 80nm like the GO 7700, or even 65nm itself from the spec.

Even if it's not, it should be. A card that leeches this much power needs a kick in the arse down to a smaller process.