G80 indepth IQ reiew

[Cookie Monster]

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[BFG10K]

A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

OMG, ~7 Meg Screenshot

 

[tylerw13]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

i would have to agree with you on that....i can not believe the difference in my games with everything maxed out....it looks sooo freakin awsome...i love it...its very impressive when compared to my ati graphics card....although the new r600 card might be a different jewel

 

[wanderer27]

Wow, that makes that ugly town of Bravil look pretty good

 

[Cookie Monster]

Isnt the high performance/performance mode AF for G80 better than the G7x HQ AF?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Isnt the high performance/performance mode AF for G80 better than the G7x HQ AF?

Maybe in terms of angle independence, but certainly not when it comes to mipmap transitions.

 

[BFG10K]

Isnt the high performance/performance mode AF for G80 better than the G7x HQ AF?

Vastly.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
OMG, ~7 Meg Screenshot

Sweet holy lord :Q

Gorgeous.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

Dave Baumann's legacy is still extremely strong at B3D, and it's still an ATi stronghold. Ryszard is largely cut from the same ATi loving cloth as Dave so far as I can tell.

You simply have to expect a certain level of ATi bias at B3D, despite some attempts at leveling the playing field there, I'm afraid...

The idiotic and completely unnecessary "NV30 original AF" image is a perfect example. (to give some credit to DB, at least he never blatantly stooped so low in his reviews).

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

Dave Baumann's legacy is still extremely strong at B3D, and it's still an ATi stronghold. Ryszard is largely cut from the same ATi loving cloth as Dave so far as I can tell.

You simply have to expect a certain level of ATi bias at B3D, despite some attempts at leveling the playing field there, I'm afraid...

The idiotic and completely unnecessary "NV30 original AF" image is a perfect example. (to give some credit to DB, at least he never blatantly stooped so low in his reviews).

Cry me a river.

When you stop being a biased troll yourself, you can talk.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

Dave Baumann's legacy is still extremely strong at B3D, and it's still an ATi stronghold. Ryszard is largely cut from the same ATi loving cloth as Dave so far as I can tell.

You simply have to expect a certain level of ATi bias at B3D, despite some attempts at leveling the playing field there, I'm afraid...

The idiotic and completely unnecessary "NV30 original AF" image is a perfect example. (to give some credit to DB, at least he never blatantly stooped so low in his reviews).

Cry me a river.

When you stop being a biased troll yourself, you can talk.

QFT, just because they arent screaming "G80 is the best thing since sliced bread" they are now biased? Give me a break

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A good review but I felt the reviewer didn't sing enough praises for nVidia's image quality superiority.

The fact is G80's new AA modes look better than the Radeon's 6xAA but still provide playable speeds.

Also G80's AF quality is the best we've ever seen in consumer space and it's basically free from a performance standpoint.

Dave Baumann's legacy is still extremely strong at B3D, and it's still an ATi stronghold. Ryszard is largely cut from the same ATi loving cloth as Dave so far as I can tell.

You simply have to expect a certain level of ATi bias at B3D, despite some attempts at leveling the playing field there, I'm afraid...

The idiotic and completely unnecessary "NV30 original AF" image is a perfect example. (to give some credit to DB, at least he never blatantly stooped so low in his reviews).

Cry me a river.

When you stop being a biased troll yourself, you can talk.

QFT, just because they arent screaming "G80 is the best thing since sliced bread" they are now biased? Give me a break

B3D does lean towards the red side.

You can flame gstanfor all you want, but it's true.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Really? i dont see much bias in B3D as of late. Theyre MUCH impressed with the G80 and have doubts on R600 beating G80 based on all sorts of specualations. (patents, etc)

However, i dont see anything wrong with that NV30s AF. Looked rather funny

But back to discussion, ATis HQ AF seemed really, and i mean really firmiliar with the GF3/4 style AF. (with the 45degree and all)

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Really? i dont see much bias in B3D as of late. Theyre MUCH impressed with the G80 and have doubts on R600 beating G80 based on all sorts of specualations. (patents, etc)

However, i dont see anything wrong with that NV30s AF. Looked rather funny

But back to discussion, ATis HQ AF seemed really, and i mean really firmiliar with the GF3/4 style AF. (with the 45degree and all)

I'm less and less impressed with my HQAF as time goes on it seems. When playing GRAW I can see texture crawling all over the place.

I was really surprised by the G71 and R420 AF comparisons. I forgot how bad the AF on my 7800GTs really was/

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Really? i dont see much bias in B3D as of late. Theyre MUCH impressed with the G80 and have doubts on R600 beating G80 based on all sorts of specualations. (patents, etc)

However, i dont see anything wrong with that NV30s AF. Looked rather funny

But back to discussion, ATis HQ AF seemed really, and i mean really firmiliar with the GF3/4 style AF. (with the 45degree and all)

I'm less and less impressed with my HQAF as time goes on it seems. When playing GRAW I can see texture crawling all over the place.

I was really surprised by the G71 and R420 AF comparisons. I forgot how bad the AF on my 7800GTs really was/

R5x0 still has angle dependent AF

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: Matt2

B3D does lean towards the red side.

You can flame gstanfor all you want, but it's true.

While this is true, Gstanfor is still too biased toward Nvidia to make a claim like this. Gstan, you're a smart guy, but you need to cut out the whole partisan red/green thing...

 

[TheRyuu]

More good news for me.
Can't wait for my 8800GTS

I've never had good AF filtering before.
My 9800XT wasn't powerful enough to do it with the new games when I got it.
Never had any other ATI card besides that.
My 7800GT's and 7900GT's supposedly have bad IQ so now I really can't wait to see how good that 8800GTS really is.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Really? i dont see much bias in B3D as of late. Theyre MUCH impressed with the G80 and have doubts on R600 beating G80 based on all sorts of specualations. (patents, etc)

However, i dont see anything wrong with that NV30s AF. Looked rather funny

But back to discussion, ATis HQ AF seemed really, and i mean really firmiliar with the GF3/4 style AF. (with the 45degree and all)

Well, if you can't see the problem with the NV30 example, then you seriously need to get a clue what you are talking about.

NV3x, despite any other percieved faults featured the absolute best AF of any DX9 class GPU until G80 showed up. If you want to have a good laugh about boxy AF patterns, take a close look at R520 / R580 AF patterns.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: Matt2

B3D does lean towards the red side.

You can flame gstanfor all you want, but it's true.

While this is true, Gstanfor is still too biased toward Nvidia to make a claim like this. Gstan, you're a smart guy, but you need to cut out the whole partisan red/green thing...

I'll stop when the fanatics stop.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

NV3x, despite any other percieved faults featured the absolute best AF of any DX9 class GPU until G80 showed up.

ppl, this is actually true. NV3x does have the best AF dispite its lackluster performance. They just didn't have the technology to push it at the time.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Really? i dont see much bias in B3D as of late. Theyre MUCH impressed with the G80 and have doubts on R600 beating G80 based on all sorts of specualations. (patents, etc)

However, i dont see anything wrong with that NV30s AF. Looked rather funny

But back to discussion, ATis HQ AF seemed really, and i mean really firmiliar with the GF3/4 style AF. (with the 45degree and all)

Well, if you can't see the problem with the NV30 example, then you seriously need to get a clue what you are talking about.

NV3x, despite any other percieved faults featured the absolute best AF of any DX9 class GPU until G80 showed up. If you want to have a good laugh about boxy AF patterns, take a close look at R520 / R580 AF patterns.

Wow, gstanfor i was mentioning about this
You dont find this funny?

ATi's HQ AF is better than GF3/GF4/GFFX not only because of the ability to go 16xAF, but also providing no massive performance hit when using the angle independent AF. (Both nv30/R5x0 are not truly angle independent as seen by the 45 degrees) I disagree about nv30 having the best AF, because the word "best" is very vague. In straight IQ terms it may have so compared to the R300 and R4x0 series AF, but im talking both IQ+performance sense. In this case the nv3x AF doesnt match any of its competitors. The massive hits of enabling such AF made it unpopular and rather a useless feature. If the nv3x did indeed be able to provide the horsepower/efficency using the AF, then it wouldve been one of the best selling reasons against the R300 but it didnt turn out that way.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: Matt2

B3D does lean towards the red side.

You can flame gstanfor all you want, but it's true.

While this is true, Gstanfor is still too biased toward Nvidia to make a claim like this. Gstan, you're a smart guy, but you need to cut out the whole partisan red/green thing...

I'll stop when the fanatics stop.

Untrue. As there have been no "fanatic" posts in this thread. Now what's your excuse?

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: Matt2

B3D does lean towards the red side.

You can flame gstanfor all you want, but it's true.

While this is true, Gstanfor is still too biased toward Nvidia to make a claim like this. Gstan, you're a smart guy, but you need to cut out the whole partisan red/green thing...

I'll stop when the fanatics stop.

Untrue. As there have been no "fanatic" posts in this thread. Now what's your excuse?

I think he sees in black and white about this whole Nvidia vs. ATI thing. You have to look in between them to find the truth somewhere (if you ever find it).

What color do you get when you combine Red and Green?
Well, with lights you get yellow. SO LOOK IN THE YELLOW!!!
And with paint, I guess you get brown.

So look in the YELLOW or BROWN area.

I'm sure this post makes no sense at all so I'm gonna shut up now.

P.S. Can't wait for my 8800GTS. Great AF..blah blah blah.......

 

[BFG10K]

ppl, this is actually true. NV3x does have the best AF dispite its lackluster performance.

This is false. Both the R5xx and G80 have better AF quality not to mention it's free, unlike the huge performance drop exprienced by the NV3x.