G80 Stuff

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gstanforfanatics in the forums are responsible from the filth that spews forth from canada.

What does Canada have to do with what goes on in tech forums?? Seriously???

You know, I'm so glad that in the time I spent in Australia, I never met any delusional and ridiculous people like you. Everyone (I met) was extremely nice there...but I suppose there are always exceptions.

Common now. Do you think he is really like this Vis-à-vis? Of course not. People say thing to each other on-line they would never say IRL, for various reasons. It is the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome, and the intarwebs is the formula for transformation.

i'd hate to walk into his shoppe and have him find out i was 'apoppin'
:Q



who knows 'why' he is so anti-ATi? . . . i mean 'really', not what he says


perhaps he gets a 'kickback' on his HW purchases from nvidia vendors based on how much anti-ATi FUD he posts here
:shocked:

who cares? he is as 'green' as is humanly possible . . . it's his claims of 'fair' that is so ridiculous.
:roll:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gstanforfanatics in the forums are responsible from the filth that spews forth from canada.

What does Canada have to do with what goes on in tech forums?? Seriously???

You know, I'm so glad that in the time I spent in Australia, I never met any delusional and ridiculous people like you. Everyone (I met) was extremely nice there...but I suppose there are always exceptions.

Common now. Do you think he is really like this Vis-à-vis? Of course not. People say thing to each other on-line they would never say IRL, for various reasons. It is the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome, and the intarwebs is the formula for transformation.

i'd hate to walk into his shoppe and have him find out i was 'apoppin'
:Q



who knows 'why' he is so anti-ATi? . . . i mean 'really', not what he says


perhaps he gets a 'kickback' on his HW purchases from nvidia vendors based on how much anti-ATi FUD he posts here
:shocked:

who cares? he is as 'green' as is humanly possible . . . it's his claims of 'fair' that is so ridiculous.
:roll:

I'm not going to speculate on his motivation, but as I've said before concerning anyone who fights under a company banner, I hope there is some financial remuneration involved i.e. they are a hired mercenary, otherwise it is just.... sad.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You are dead wrong (just like everyone else) about my being a nvidia mole. I'm just an enthusiast who likes and uses their hardware.

I gave odds at 33%. I'm not even half convinced!

The only reason you see so many "so-called" pro-nvidia posts from me here is because I'm always responding to fanATic ant-nvidia propoganda. That's the one thing certain people here conveniently miss - the trouble is nearly always started by the fanatics- the nvidia supporters just mop the mess up.

Dude, I would respect your opinion if it was actually true in this particular case, but it's not. You're often an instigator, and you often post not-so-subtle jabs amounting to the tune of "ATI sucks." Just fess up that you occasionally like to stir the pot .

Rgarding the AEG stuff, as I've said all you have to do is compare the posting histories of the AEG membership before and after they joined AEG. Also Rollo was the only trouble-maker out of all of them. That's fact. If you can prove otherwise please do so (you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath awaiting your response).

^ This is a perfect example of your instigatorial style of argumentation. You leave and implication that you're covering something up and bait others into taking the trap.

I see you post in this form a lot:

{(bla bla blah bla bla blah bla bla blah) . That is a fact, unless you can prove otherwise.}

It's this same line of logic that kept Rollo here for so long, and people ignoring the hints because nobody had "concrete proof" that Rollo was a troll for a long time.

------------

I'm not saying that you're a troll, Gstanfor. But what I'm trying to get at is, take some responsibility for being part of flame wars sometimes. You're not always simply "responding to fanATIc anti-nvidia propaganda." Who are these fanATIc instigators, anyways?

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Regarding G80 - anyone know when benchmarks are going to come out? This thing is going to perform massively better than last gen - especially at 1600X1200 and above! The shader and RAM configuration is the biggest leap up on paper since R300.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gstanforfanatics in the forums are responsible from the filth that spews forth from canada.

What does Canada have to do with what goes on in tech forums?? Seriously???

You know, I'm so glad that in the time I spent in Australia, I never met any delusional and ridiculous people like you. Everyone (I met) was extremely nice there...but I suppose there are always exceptions.

Common now. Do you think he is really like this Vis-à-vis? Of course not. People say thing to each other on-line they would never say IRL, for various reasons. It is the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome, and the intarwebs is the formula for transformation.

i'd hate to walk into his shoppe and have him find out i was 'apoppin'
:Q



who knows 'why' he is so anti-ATi? . . . i mean 'really', not what he says


perhaps he gets a 'kickback' on his HW purchases from nvidia vendors based on how much anti-ATi FUD he posts here
:shocked:

who cares? he is as 'green' as is humanly possible . . . it's his claims of 'fair' that is so ridiculous.
:roll:

I'm not going to speculate on his motivation, but as I've said before concerning anyone who fights under a company banner, I hope there is some financial remuneration involved i.e. they are a hired mercenary, otherwise it is just.... sad.

i think it is beyond sad

i don't object to fanboys until they proclaim they are "fair and balanced"

i don't object to 'viral/guerilla' type marketing as long as their is full disclosure

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I am quite convinced that an R600 adaptation to the PC is not going to compete with the top end 8800 series.

Itll slaughter the 7900 series, and if they compete on price they can edge into low and mid range.

Unless ATi pulls something insane, like keeping the Nmos cache for "free" antialiasing, and also increasing their bus width.

I agree this release of info by Nvidia seems to suggest that. But that h2o cooler for the fast guy, seems to suggest a radical need to bump up clock speeds. This is all assuming that an h2o cooler is really needed and that those specifations are accurate and the impact on general performance is as expected. Crap maybe I have to wait for the reviews.

I think it's a combination of MHz and transistor count. I mean, current 90nm 7900GTX runs 650MHz. And that's with very good air cooling and sub 300million transistors. Now, on the same 90nm process, bump up the tranny count by 2.3 times. 700 plus and at 575 MHz for the GTX. I can see a need for water cooling. I guess the GTS can get by on high quality air cooling because it has only 3/4 of the shaders working compared to the GTX. Water cooling for such a large amount of transistors still on the 90nm process does not come with a huge surprise. With a shrink to 80nm, or even going straight to 65nm would most likely eliminate the need for such cooling and power draw of course should be much less. (If all goes well with the shrink that is).

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I am quite convinced that an R600 adaptation to the PC is not going to compete with the top end 8800 series.

Itll slaughter the 7900 series, and if they compete on price they can edge into low and mid range.

Unless ATi pulls something insane, like keeping the Nmos cache for "free" antialiasing, and also increasing their bus width.

REALLY ?
and what your proof of that.
R600 will be ATI'S second generation unified shader card. G80 is nvidia's first, and i for one only need to remember the fx series to say nvidia is not that great at first tries.

 

[40sTheme]

Hmm, I wonder if they'll be able to get GPUs to a widespread 65nm solution. Then maybe there won't be as many cards that closely resemble vacuums while running. And maybe single slot cooling will be a possibility, although I doubt it. I wish, because it's usually quieter, if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I am quite convinced that an R600 adaptation to the PC is not going to compete with the top end 8800 series.

Itll slaughter the 7900 series, and if they compete on price they can edge into low and mid range.

Unless ATi pulls something insane, like keeping the Nmos cache for "free" antialiasing, and also increasing their bus width.

REALLY ?
and what your proof of that.
R600 will be ATI'S second generation unified shader card. G80 is nvidia's first, and i for one only need to remember the fx series to say nvidia is not that great at first tries.

So TSMC manufacturing issues for Nvidia, and ATi aquiring ArtX and using their design = great execution?

Second generation? No. It's the same design as the chip in the Xbox.

Thats like calling the 7000 series "second generation" over the 6000 series. It was a refresh of the same design.

Just like the 9700, 9800, X850, etc. until the full redesign at the X1800.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Rumours from B3D is that G80 scores in

3dmark05 19xxx
3dmark06 12xxx

Using a conroe E6600.

Note that this could be stock. CPU clock, motherboard, ram used are not known. Drivers used are also not known.

How much does 7950GX2/X9150XTX score in 3dmark05/06? i hardly look at those benchs anymore.

 

[YoungGun21]

I would assume R600 will be 80nm, seeing as the X1950Pro which is due for release later this month is 80nm.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I would assume R600 will be 80nm, seeing as the X1950Pro which is due for release later this month is 80nm.

nVIDIA already have a 80nm product in the form of 7700 mobile series. So with the 7650 series soon.

 

[CelSnip]

The most overclocked(memory and core above 1000) 7900GTX SLI setup gets 16000.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Rumours from B3D is that G80 scores in

3dmark05 19xxx
3dmark06 12xxx

Using a conroe E6600.

Note that this could be stock. CPU clock, motherboard, ram used are not known. Drivers used are also not known.

How much does 7950GX2/X9150XTX score in 3dmark05/06? i hardly look at those benchs anymore.

My system is similar, equipped with 7950GX2. At stock speeds, it performs below 8000. So, that would make this card one lean machine.

Originally posted by: CelSnip
The most overclocked(memory and core above 1000) 7900GTX SLI setup gets 16000.

This is probably including some sick CPU and RAM overclocks
too.

 

[Kalessian]

Hm. We don't know the current state of driver optimization yet either. Heard they worked on nv30 fps optimization even 2 hours before the public nvidia tech demo.

 

[Kalessian]

Pete @ B3D

12k with a G80 GTX (?) on a 3.6GHz C2D. Compare that with:
6.4k with a 650/750 (stock) R580XTX on a 2.93GHz C2D,
10k with the same R580XTX but in XFire,
8.9k with an 911/927MHz (OCed!) R580XTX on a 4.6GHz C2D,
8.5k with a 900/945 (?) R580XTX on a 3.6GHz X2, and
8.3k with a 802/936 R580XTX on a 4.4GHz C2D.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Rumours from B3D is that G80 scores in

3dmark05 19xxx
3dmark06 12xxx

Using a conroe E6600.

Note that this could be stock. CPU clock, motherboard, ram used are not known. Drivers used are also not known.

How much does 7950GX2/X9150XTX score in 3dmark05/06? i hardly look at those benchs anymore.

Edit. 06' score is quite good

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Pete @ B3D

12k with a G80 GTX (?) on a 3.6GHz C2D. Compare that with:
6.4k with a 650/750 (stock) R580XTX on a 2.93GHz C2D,
10k with the same R580XTX but in XFire,
8.9k with an 911/927MHz (OCed!) R580XTX on a 4.6GHz C2D,
8.5k with a 900/945 (?) R580XTX on a 3.6GHz X2, and
8.3k with a 802/936 R580XTX on a 4.4GHz C2D.

Could we get a link?

 

[CP5670]

It's probably best to compare those 8800 scores with other Nvidia cards, as they generally do better than ATI cards in 3dmark06 for some reason.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You are dead wrong (just like everyone else) about my being a nvidia mole. I'm just an enthusiast who likes and uses their hardware.

I gave odds at 33%. I'm not even half convinced!

The only reason you see so many "so-called" pro-nvidia posts from me here is because I'm always responding to fanATic ant-nvidia propoganda. That's the one thing certain people here conveniently miss - the trouble is nearly always started by the fanatics- the nvidia supporters just mop the mess up.

Dude, I would respect your opinion if it was actually true in this particular case, but it's not. You're often an instigator, and you often post not-so-subtle jabs amounting to the tune of "ATI sucks." Just fess up that you occasionally like to stir the pot .

Rgarding the AEG stuff, as I've said all you have to do is compare the posting histories of the AEG membership before and after they joined AEG. Also Rollo was the only trouble-maker out of all of them. That's fact. If you can prove otherwise please do so (you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath awaiting your response).

^ This is a perfect example of your instigatorial style of argumentation. You leave and implication that you're covering something up and bait others into taking the trap.

I see you post in this form a lot:

{(bla bla blah bla bla blah bla bla blah) . That is a fact, unless you can prove otherwise.}

It's this same line of logic that kept Rollo here for so long, and people ignoring the hints because nobody had "concrete proof" that Rollo was a troll for a long time.

------------

I'm not saying that you're a troll, Gstanfor. But what I'm trying to get at is, take some responsibility for being part of flame wars sometimes. You're not always simply "responding to fanATIc anti-nvidia propaganda." Who are these fanATIc instigators, anyways?

----------

Regarding G80 - anyone know when benchmarks are going to come out? This thing is going to perform massively better than last gen - especially at 1600X1200 and above! The shader and RAM configuration is the biggest leap up on paper since R300.

(This post applies to everyone criticing). You need to acquaint yourself with the fundamental guiding principle of the justice system in most countries - "innocent until proven guilty. In others words its not up to me or anyone else to prove your AEG accusations (or any other accusation you care to make) are wrong - its up to YOU to prove they are right (good luck with that...) That's what is known as the "burden of proof" in it's always borne by the accuser. Common folk know it as "put up or shut up", which is precisely what appopin and everyone else accusing of AEG hyping G80 on AT forums needs to do.

The filth spews forth from Canada because that is where ATi is headquartered.

Need I deliver anymore kindergarten lessons?

 

[theprodigalrebel]

***crawls into the battle-zone***

***thinks out aloud***
The thing about Crusader & Wreckage is that they don't claim to be objective in the GPU wars - they admit (directly or indirectly) that they hate ATi and love nVidia unconditionally. This makes them cool. I got no problem with that. Loyalists exist everywhere.

But Gstanfor....scares me.

***makes a run for the border***

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I am quite convinced that an R600 adaptation to the PC is not going to compete with the top end 8800 series.

Itll slaughter the 7900 series, and if they compete on price they can edge into low and mid range.

Unless ATi pulls something insane, like keeping the Nmos cache for "free" antialiasing, and also increasing their bus width.

REALLY ?
and what your proof of that.
R600 will be ATI'S second generation unified shader card. G80 is nvidia's first, and i for one only need to remember the fx series to say nvidia is not that great at first tries.

So TSMC manufacturing issues for Nvidia, and ATi aquiring ArtX and using their design = great execution?

Second generation? No. It's the same design as the chip in the Xbox.

Thats like calling the 7000 series "second generation" over the 6000 series. It was a refresh of the same design.

Just like the 9700, 9800, X850, etc. until the full redesign at the X1800.

thats what i meant with second gen. its a refinement if not a complete overhaul. just like x800 was of 9800. and its proven to be FAST.

what i am saying is don't just assume anything. you were saying the R600 had no chance and would get slaughtered. NOW THATS PLAIN CRAP

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You are dead wrong (just like everyone else) about my being a nvidia mole. I'm just an enthusiast who likes and uses their hardware.

I gave odds at 33%. I'm not even half convinced!

The only reason you see so many "so-called" pro-nvidia posts from me here is because I'm always responding to fanATic ant-nvidia propoganda. That's the one thing certain people here conveniently miss - the trouble is nearly always started by the fanatics- the nvidia supporters just mop the mess up.

Dude, I would respect your opinion if it was actually true in this particular case, but it's not. You're often an instigator, and you often post not-so-subtle jabs amounting to the tune of "ATI sucks." Just fess up that you occasionally like to stir the pot .

Rgarding the AEG stuff, as I've said all you have to do is compare the posting histories of the AEG membership before and after they joined AEG. Also Rollo was the only trouble-maker out of all of them. That's fact. If you can prove otherwise please do so (you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath awaiting your response).

^ This is a perfect example of your instigatorial style of argumentation. You leave and implication that you're covering something up and bait others into taking the trap.

I see you post in this form a lot:

{(bla bla blah bla bla blah bla bla blah) . That is a fact, unless you can prove otherwise.}

It's this same line of logic that kept Rollo here for so long, and people ignoring the hints because nobody had "concrete proof" that Rollo was a troll for a long time.

------------

I'm not saying that you're a troll, Gstanfor. But what I'm trying to get at is, take some responsibility for being part of flame wars sometimes. You're not always simply "responding to fanATIc anti-nvidia propaganda." Who are these fanATIc instigators, anyways?

----------

Regarding G80 - anyone know when benchmarks are going to come out? This thing is going to perform massively better than last gen - especially at 1600X1200 and above! The shader and RAM configuration is the biggest leap up on paper since R300.

(This post applies to everyone criticing). You need to acquaint yourself with the fundamental guiding principle of the justice system in most countries - "innocent until proven guilty. In others words its not up to me or anyone else to prove your AEG accusations (or any other accusation you care to make) are wrong - its up to YOU to prove they are right (good luck with that...) That's what is known as the "burden of proof" in it's always borne by the accuser. Common folk know it as "put up or shut up", which is precisely what appopin and everyone else accusing of AEG hyping G80 on AT forums needs to do.

The filth spews forth from Canada because that is where ATi is headquartered.

Need I deliver anymore kindergarten lessons?

It's all in the attitude my friend. You would have ZERO complaints and/problems with others if you just kept things real. Who cares what the others do. If it does bother you so much, at least find a proven fact to back yourself up, and WITHOUT the tude. You come across insane. Now how is anyone supposed to take you seriously if you come across mentally imbalanced? And about that innocent until proven guilty thing. Doesn't work in here, because we are all jurors of our peers in this little community.

 

[Gstanfor]

I didn't come to the forums seeking popularity and I don't give a damn what you think my mental state might be. I'll leave the popularity contests and peer groups to those who trot around in rose colored sunnies...

 

[RichUK]

This forum can be so childish sometimes.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: RichUK
This forum can be so childish sometimes.

Indeed. And if you dare to mention hardware A has some kind of issue, there will always be someone taking the matter in his own hands.

There are always people fighting over GPU makers, mobo makers, etc... this reminds me about the discussions such as religion fanatics or football extreme fans have.