G80 Stuff

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Crusader
8800GTX will be mine.

Time to own some ATI, as their fans wait forever for a chip that will at best equal this beast. Enjoy your X800s boys. I'd gladly take even a repeat of the Geforce6 story all over again. This is appearing to be measuring up to a walloping on ATIs hide though. Be interesting when AMD takes full control of ATI if they continue to allow ATI to lose money on the high end just to remain in the market.
Thank you Nvidia. I salute thee. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

Viva la Geforce 8!

Are you going to roll over and smoke a cigarette yet? I'm excited about G80 too, but damn Crusader the thing isn't even out yet nor are any results for it.

Grow up already.

 

[lopri]

Even the now 'old' games like F.E.A.R., Call of Duty 2, etc. seem too much for current generation of cards if one were to enjoy 1920 x 1200. To enable advanced features I had to lower the res to 1650 x 1080 with a single X1950XTX. Still quite a feat for a single card. I'm getting similar performance as with 7900GTX SLI HQ @1920.

One thing I noticed from the reported specs of G80 is "disappointing" bandwidth increase. (disappointing as in "it's not much more than 7950GX2" ) The spec says 8800GTX to have 86GB/s, and 8800GTS to have 64GB/s. Compared to those figures, 7950GX2 has 76.8GB/s and X1950XTX has 64GB/s.

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: Crusader
8800GTX will be mine.

Time to own some ATI, as their fans wait forever for a chip that will at best equal this beast. Enjoy your X800s boys. I'd gladly take even a repeat of the Geforce6 story all over again. This is appearing to be measuring up to a walloping on ATIs hide though. Be interesting when AMD takes full control of ATI if they continue to allow ATI to lose money on the high end just to remain in the market.
Thank you Nvidia. I salute thee. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

Viva la Geforce 8!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound you completely rabid fannyboy? :laugh:

 

[Kalessian]

From what the B3D guys have put together, I guess the power of G80 comes down to how many components per clock each of those 128 ALUs can process.

If it's one then G80 will probably not be twice as powerful as current gen. But if it's four, and I hope it is, then this card is going to destroy everything.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I guess NV is going to have quite big head start. Similiar to 7800GTX and the X850XT PE.

depends what you mean by 'headstart'

they are simply first with a next gen part

and this scenario has been repeated endlessly since ati competed with nvidia . . . someone has to be second.

and the results are not dependant on who is first to market although nvidia does get the high-end holiday market by itself. . . .
[the 8500 was 'first and got creamed by the ti series; nv30 was first and you know what r300 did to it . . . everything else kinda equals out. . . . ]

ATi fan Puzzlement
That's one quote from the red team that'll take pride of place in my little scrapbook.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
It nevers ends does it.

"8800 GTX will be mine, time to own some ATi"

Then 8850 GTX will arrive, or some sort of so called refresh, then what, you'll want it to ? Then R620/R680 will arrive, a refresh over R600, what will you want then ? Then GeForce 9, then R700/800/900 and whatnot. It's always temporary. People like you seem to think that you're "owning" forever when you buy something, when the company you praise so much will stab you in the back with a reresh soon after and they'll own their own consumers.

Not to mention support for SM 4.0. How many games ? Oh yes, I forgot, that's an investment. By the time enough games will fully use SM 4.0, then SM 5.0 will be supported in newer generations. You realize that nVidia makes money with people like you ? Just like ATi, they ain't different, nVidia ain't better nor worse. As soon as information is out, like "OMG OMG OMG it's mine" ... yeah. Well it's your money, fortunately it isn't mine, so go ahead and do it.

All I ask for is some OBJECTIVITY. Wait, and see. And then make your choices based on your NEEDS, not on your ego.

Very well said. While I don't really have a leg to stand on because of my recent x1950xtx purchase I can see your view point and it's one that I tend to agree with. I have no intention of buying either the G80 nor the R600. I am, however, interested in their tech.

If crusader is that gleefull about G80 perhaps he will buy one asap and fill us in on how well it performs.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: aggressor
Now I want to see benchmarks

It's just 3D Mark scores but knock yourself out: click.

And what's really amazing is, these specs look just like the ones that were leaked on vr-zone and started that 'G80 Demystified' thread.

BTW, the Dailytech article says that nvidia recommends a 400W PSU for the 7950GX2 and 450W PSU for the 8800GTX. The 7950GX2 consumes about 140W, which makes the 8800GTX around 190W, right? Not the monstrous 250-300W number that has been floating around for ages?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, I am happy about one thing at least. GPU bottlenecks are finally going to move way on up. Maybe G80/R600 will be a good matchup for current highend processors.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: lopri
Even the now 'old' games like F.E.A.R., Call of Duty 2, etc. seem too much for current generation of cards if one were to enjoy 1920 x 1200. To enable advanced features I had to lower the res to 1650 x 1080 with a single X1950XTX. Still quite a feat for a single card. I'm getting similar performance as with 7900GTX SLI HQ @1920.

One thing I noticed from the reported specs of G80 is "disappointing" bandwidth increase. (disappointing as in "it's not much more than 7950GX2" ) The spec says 8800GTX to have 86GB/s, and 8800GTS to have 64GB/s. Compared to those figures, 7950GX2 has 76.8GB/s and X1950XTX has 64GB/s.

Difference is, the 8800 is going to be doing it much more efficiently than those two cards you just mentioned. And not to sound like a fanboy, but I'm betting money that nvidia is holding something back. Thats why these cards are 'only on 90nm' and 'only have GDDR3'

Just think for a moment, the 80nm refresh on this card, suddenly core clock goes to 700MHZ, shader clocks to 1500mhz, and with GDDR4 running at 1.0 or 1.1 and suddenly you're talking over 100Gb bandwidth. Thats sick.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Are you going to roll over and smoke a cigarette yet? I'm excited about G80 too, but damn Crusader the thing isn't even out yet nor are any results for it.

Grow up already.

Enthusiasts are always like that. How many devout "red team" fans are saying the same thing about R600? At least G80 isn't just specs on a piece of paper

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I guess NV is going to have quite big head start. Similiar to 7800GTX and the X850XT PE.

depends what you mean by 'headstart'

they are simply first with a next gen part

and this scenario has been repeated endlessly since ati competed with nvidia . . . someone has to be second.

and the results are not dependant on who is first to market although nvidia does get the high-end holiday market by itself. . . .
[the 8500 was 'first and got creamed by the ti series; nv30 was first and you know what r300 did to it . . . everything else kinda equals out. . . . ]

Im talking about 7800GTX and X850XTPE days. The 7800GTX/GT dominated the high end market for several months without competition (ATi lacked feature/IQ/speed/dual GPu solution at that time as the X850XT PE was getting severly old). Do you think X1950XTX can compete with a G80? G80 is new, and if prove to be faster than a 7900GTX SLi/7950GX2 (which will most probably happen) then NV can successfully dominate the highend market with their 8800GTS/GTX just like the 7800GTX/GT days. Trust me, the marketing PR from NV will unleash a whole new chapter never seen before

Just like nvidia's marketing blitz that they were FIRST with DX9 and NV30 Ultra Dustbuster?

let me remind you that first does not matter - it did not matter with the x850xt and it did not matter with NV30 . . . le me remind you of nv30:

Nvidia Preps Audience For NV30 Launch

Without disclosing any benchmarks, the NV30 will generate four times the performance of the GeForce4, according to the presentation. The floating point unit will be capable of 51 billion floating point operations per second, or 51 gigaFLOPS, which Nvidia claims to be 50 times the capability of an SGI Infinite Reality engine, which was introduced by SGI in 1996. (SGI's InfiniteReality4 engine ships with the company's latest Onyx workstations.)

The NV30 can render greater than 100 "Jurassic Park dinosaurs" at 100 frames per second or higher, the company claims using the floating-point power of the NV30, which is greater than a Cray SV-1 supercomputer, the company claims.

The chip's power will be shown off through "real-time cinematic shading", according to the presentation. Nvidia executives showed off effects ranging from brushed metal to melting ice, along with different materials such as vegetation, "thin film", and skin.

r300 got released a few months later and we know how that turned out.

nvidia's marketing machine is in full-hype mode . . . again

it is meaningless UNTIL we see benchmarks. . . . THEN i may well be "impressed" . ..

and

IF r600 is not competetive then i will be "really" impressed.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: appopin
nvidia's marketing machine is in full-hype mode . . . again.

No, it's not. Show me where nvidia, the company, has generated full-blown G90 hype please appopin. This is precisely why I pulled you up earlier.

People other than nvidia hyping G80 *does not* equate to nvidia hyping G80!

If you want to see full-blown marketing machine hype in action, look no further than Geo's references to ATi's R600 claims in my previous post (hardly the only example I might add).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: appopin
nvidia's marketing machine is in full-hype mode . . . again.

No, it's not. Show me where nvidia, the company, has generated full-blown G90 hype please appopin. This is precisely why I pulled you up earlier.

People other than nvidia hyping G80 *does not* equate to nvidia hyping G80!

If you want to see full-blown marketing machine hype in action, look no further than Geo's references to ATi's R600 claims in my previous post (hardly the only example I might add).

we know for sure that nvidia uses Guerilla Marketing - in addition to traditional marketing - and it IS in "full hype" mode.

expect much more nvidia hype right thru the launch

and i am not defending ati or it's marketing . . . we are discussing g80 . . . not r600
[i don't see any current r600 threads]

 

[Gstanfor]

we know for sure that nvidia uses Guerilla Marketing - in addition to traditional marketing - and it IS in "full hype" mode.

Oh really? Then I guess you'll have no trouble pointing out AEG members in full blown hype mode will you?

i don't see any current r600 threads

You're blind.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31049

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

we know for sure that nvidia uses Guerilla Marketing - in addition to traditional marketing - and it IS in "full hype" mode.

Oh really? Then I guess you'll have no trouble pointing out AEG members in full blown hype mode will you?

i don't see any current r600 threads

You're blind.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31049

you're blind if you can't see for yourself - AEG IS at work . . . here.

and i don't EVER visit beyond3d . . . i don't care what THEY are discussing . . . this is ATF and all i see are current G80 threads.

 

[zephyrprime]

In order to have such a high shader clock speed, they must have abandoned block design for the shaders and gone to custom asic design. Custom design is what CPUs use. A 1350 speed is easily attainable with a custum design and a custom design would have lower power and be require fewer transistors as well.

 

[Gstanfor]

you're blind if you can't see for yourself - AEG IS at work . . . here.

You can *definitively prove* this assertion?

i don't EVER visit beyond3d . . . i don't care what THEY are discussing

Your loss. Hard to claim you are keeping up with things in the 3d world if you don't though.

this is ATF and all i see are current G80 threads

I guess more people here are interested in nvidia products than ATi products despite the best efforts of the "red team" here...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

you're blind if you can't see for yourself - AEG IS at work . . . here.

You can *definitively prove* this assertion?

i don't EVER visit beyond3d . . . i don't care what THEY are discussing

Your loss. Hard to claim you are keeping up with things in the 3d world if you don't though.

this is ATF and all i see are current G80 threads

I guess more people here are interested in nvidia products than ATi products despite the best efforts of the "red team" here...

i am more interested in g80 than i am in r600
--right at the moment

and my choice of forum for discussing "things in the 3d world " is my business . . . i read far more than AT/ATF for HW news.

clearly i have no problem staying ahead of you
:Q

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, I am happy about one thing at least. GPU bottlenecks are finally going to move way on up. Maybe G80/R600 will be a good matchup for current highend processors.

I think we're likely to just get a new generation of bloated games that make all the cards struggle again, maintaining the GPU bottleneck.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Crusader
8800GTX will be mine.

Time to own some ATI, as their fans wait forever for a chip that will at best equal this beast. Enjoy your X800s boys. I'd gladly take even a repeat of the Geforce6 story all over again. This is appearing to be measuring up to a walloping on ATIs hide though. Be interesting when AMD takes full control of ATI if they continue to allow ATI to lose money on the high end just to remain in the market.
Thank you Nvidia. I salute thee. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

Viva la Geforce 8!

All I ask for is some OBJECTIVITY. Wait, and see. And then make your choices based on your NEEDS, not on your ego.

Objectivity?? From Crusader??? Bahahahahhahahahaha...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!
He's probably already made a shrine in his house dedicated to his "almighty" G80. And every morning prays:

"The G80 is my light and my salvation, whom should I fear (ATI?? I think not!!! )? The G80 is my life's refuge, of whom should I be afraid(definitely not ATI)? One thing I ask of the G80; this I seek: To dwell in the house of NVidia all the days of my life."

hehehe...sorry I was bored.

Anyway, back to G80...If I get the 7900GTO within the next couple of days then I'll definitely step-up to G80. Might as well. It should be worth it. If not I'll sell it and get R600 instead. You know, one thing I don't like...I wish there were retail ready samples released to reviewers before the launch so that we can get an idea of performance and also maybe get our computers ready for it. If they deliver the product on time I don't think people would mind the semi-paper launch.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: lopri
Even the now 'old' games like F.E.A.R., Call of Duty 2, etc. seem too much for current generation of cards if one were to enjoy 1920 x 1200. To enable advanced features I had to lower the res to 1650 x 1080 with a single X1950XTX. Still quite a feat for a single card. I'm getting similar performance as with 7900GTX SLI HQ @1920.

One thing I noticed from the reported specs of G80 is "disappointing" bandwidth increase. (disappointing as in "it's not much more than 7950GX2" ) The spec says 8800GTX to have 86GB/s, and 8800GTS to have 64GB/s. Compared to those figures, 7950GX2 has 76.8GB/s and X1950XTX has 64GB/s.

Difference is, the 8800 is going to be doing it much more efficiently than those two cards you just mentioned. And not to sound like a fanboy, but I'm betting money that nvidia is holding something back. Thats why these cards are 'only on 90nm' and 'only have GDDR3'

Just think for a moment, the 80nm refresh on this card, suddenly core clock goes to 700MHZ, shader clocks to 1500mhz, and with GDDR4 running at 1.0 or 1.1 and suddenly you're talking over 100Gb bandwidth. Thats sick.

QFT.

I think we're gonna find that efficiency is the name of the game this round.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Crusader
8800GTX will be mine.

Time to own some ATI, as their fans wait forever for a chip that will at best equal this beast. Enjoy your X800s boys. I'd gladly take even a repeat of the Geforce6 story all over again. This is appearing to be measuring up to a walloping on ATIs hide though. Be interesting when AMD takes full control of ATI if they continue to allow ATI to lose money on the high end just to remain in the market.
Thank you Nvidia. I salute thee. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

Viva la Geforce 8!

Why you consistently root for monopoly is beyond me... You're either mental or on the payroll somewhere.

 

[Matt2]

I wish I was on someone's payroll.

I promise to be objective! (<---- Probably why ATI/Nvidia will never call )

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Is it possible that ATI (DAMIT) wants Nvidia to release first? Just to get an idea of how fast they are. Then work on getting high enough clocks to compete/surpass? The last time I saw ATI release something first was the 9700. Or was that very very late? I can't remember. LOL.

You may be on the right track, but I think the main reason R600 is coming later is because it's on 80nm. Nvidia can be first because they're using "tried and true" 90nm.

But it's going to cost ATI a lot of early adopters.
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One thing I think Nvidia may not be prepared for (and may be ATI's ace-in-the-hole) is if ATI goes to a straight up 512-bit memory bus.

ATI laid the foundadation back in the X1800 days with the 512-bit ring bus -- the chips are already capable of handling 512-bits of memory bandwidth; they just have to pack 512-bits worth of chips on the PCB with all the added traces and manufacturing costs.


But where I think Nvidia did right (and ATI may pay for waiting) is putting 128 unified shaders on the 8800GTX. On paper, that's a huge number and it will eat up massive die space. I can't really see ATI having more than 128 unified shaders and in fact, that's probably (in my humble guess) the number ATI was targeting for R600.

Doesn't Xenos (R500/Xbox360) have 64 unified shaders? I really can't see ATI going for more than 128 with R600.

With 80nm ATI will probably have a clockspeed advantage, and the possiblity of 512-bit memory bus would be good for ultra high res/high AA situations. But by consistently following Nvidia, ATI gets less of an opportunity to skim the market with those overpriced launch cards. Take the X1950 for example - it's launch MSRP was $450, while going back about a year the 7800GTX 512MB was $600 MSRP I believe and was going for even more!

 

[Matt2]

I dont think we'll see 512bit memory bus AND GDDR4.

The added complexity of a memory bus 512bits wide plus using expensive GDDR4... we're talking a huge manufacturing cost that will be ever so graciously passed down to us.

512bit ring-bus jsut allows ATI to process information internally using the 512bit bus. It has nothing to do with the external memory bus from core to memory.

(The above is posted off of memory only. Please correct me if I am wrong)