Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I wouldn't be too troubled about 3dmark results, personally, though I don't doubt nvidia will use them to showcase G80 performance (just like they did with the nv40 launch).
Personally, like I've indicated previously I think G80 will be extremely solid, however, I have a feeling that it will be constrained by GDDR3 memory, which is why I'll take more interest in the refresh product. I'm not exactly feeling limited by my current setup at the moment either.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I wouldn't be too troubled about 3dmark results, personally, though I don't doubt nvidia will use them to showcase G80 performance (just like they did with the nv40 launch).
Personally, like I've indicated previously I think G80 will be extremely solid, however, I have a feeling that it will be constrained by GDDR3 memory, which is why I'll take more interest in the refresh product. I'm not exactly feeling limited by my current setup at the moment either.
Ah, but your not thinking out of the box. This isn't just 256-bit memory interface anylonger. It's wider. Therefore, the memory can afford to be slower.
Originally posted by: Crusader
No, I dont want ATI out.I just like to see them hurting and their fanboys on the run. Dont want an NV monopoly though.
I'm guessing someone else would step up to Nvidia anyway, even if AMD backs down.
There definitely room for at least 2 in this market.
So I havent been fretting the possibility like the ATI crones have been. If ATI goes, who cares.. this is capitalism.. someone else will step up, and ATI and their fanboys will have been vanquished.
Sounds like a win/win to me. But I like todays situation, with the ATI takeover. Good enough to call a victory to me.
I dont like high prices. And I'm not affiliated with any of these corporations in any way beyond Nvidia is my Chevrolet of video cards. The circle of love really revolves around my driver experiences with both over the past 10 years.. (since 3dfx died I've tried both many times as I was on the fence between the two).
The fact NV is pumping out some great hardware as well, is just a nice bonus.
I buy for software support first and foremost.. as I need a Windows desktop that doenst flicker.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1936573&enterthread=y
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33853327
Among a multitude of other issues I've run across. Just not willing to keep burning up cash on ATI hardware and feel like I purchased a half-arsed product?
Its a consumers right.. and you'd be a moron to continue to pile your cash into their coffers as you would be encouraging their incompetence.
I dont pay the same money to get basically what is equal performance and IQ and deal with flickering desktops among half the other issues I've ran across.
With NV taking a clear performance lead again, ATI means absolutely nothing to me.
I have stated in the past though that the X1900XT has been a phenomenal value regardless of its flaws due to its bargain bin pricing.
Theres a point where bargain basement pricing equalizes things. ATI has resorted to the massive price dips in the past, and it works.. at least on me. Nothing wrong with a ~$200 X1900XT if the NV is far more.
For me though, I need more than that and those cards are old news, Geforce 8 does the trick in both a polished product software-wise and also industry leading performance.
The power increase is very minimal IMO. 400watt vs 450watt? I've been on 550 for two years now. You dont use a measly 400watter and start buying $650 video cards. Price means nothing when I consider this a bargain at $650.. I've paid far more, and gotten far less in the past.
Good luck on those Christmas sales is all I can say. NVs got ATIs number though (where it counts.. sales), again. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: apoppin
And as i said before, IF g80 meets expectations and - IF i was gonna upgrade THIS year to PCIe - i'd rip out my ATi piece of crap x850xt and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: apoppin
And as i said before, IF g80 meets expectations and - IF i was gonna upgrade THIS year to PCIe - i'd rip out my ATi piece of crap x850xt and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution.
Now, be fair. X850XT is hardly a piece of crap. It's still a very viable gaming card.
Wednesday, November 8th, 2006
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11:00 AM - Presentation by NVIDIA announcing next generations MCP and GPU
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Originally posted by: nitromullet
from the schedule:
Wednesday, November 8th, 2006
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11:00 AM - Presentation by NVIDIA announcing next generations MCP and GPU
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Originally posted by: Crusader
No, I dont want ATI out. I just like to see them hurting and their fanboys on the run. Dont want an NV monopoly though.
I'm guessing someone else would step up to Nvidia anyway, even if AMD backs down.
There definitely room for at least 2 in this market.
So I havent been fretting the possibility like the ATI crones have been. If ATI goes, who cares.. this is capitalism.. someone else will step up, and ATI and their fanboys will have been vanquished.
Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Originally posted by: nitromullet
from the schedule:
Wednesday, November 8th, 2006
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11:00 AM - Presentation by NVIDIA announcing next generations MCP and GPU
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Any idea if this will be web-televised?
Originally posted by: Crusader
Geforce 8 does the trick in both a polished product software-wise and also industry leading performance.
Originally posted by: Jugernot
Originally posted by: Crusader
No, I dont want ATI out. I just like to see them hurting and their fanboys on the run. Dont want an NV monopoly though.
I'm guessing someone else would step up to Nvidia anyway, even if AMD backs down.
There definitely room for at least 2 in this market.
So I havent been fretting the possibility like the ATI crones have been. If ATI goes, who cares.. this is capitalism.. someone else will step up, and ATI and their fanboys will have been vanquished.
One the first point, that's my thoughts precisely The fanatics hate picked picked on though - they don't take the medicine they were so keen to dish out in the nv3x era happily at all (not that that will prevent me rubbing their faces in it every opportunity I get...)
On the second point fanatics are like vermin - impossible to eradicate. 97% of all ATi fanatics were previously 3dfx fanatics, and if ATi goes under they'll all just abandon ship and board whatever new one comes along, and keep right on attacking nvidia as they do so...
If they were to shut their cakeholes, they might find I'd leave them alone.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
And whoever tampered with my account will shortly find themselves in a world of hurt.
Originally posted by: 1israel
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
And whoever tampered with my account will shortly find themselves in a world of hurt.
Uh-oh...an E-fight with e-bats...love to witness one of those.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Sorry, OT. To address the last few messages: http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=42&entercat=y
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
One the first point, that's my thoughts precisely The fanatics hate picked picked on though - they don't take the medicine they were so keen to dish out in the nv3x era happily at all (not that that will prevent me rubbing their faces in it every opportunity I get...)
On the second point fanatics are like vermin - impossible to eradicate. 97% of all ATi fanatics were previously 3dfx fanatics, and if ATi goes under they'll all just abandon ship and board whatever new one comes along, and keep right on attacking nvidia as they do so...
If they were to shut their cakeholes, they might find I'd leave them alone.
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I wouldn't be too troubled about 3dmark results, personally, though I don't doubt nvidia will use them to showcase G80 performance (just like they did with the nv40 launch).
Personally, like I've indicated previously I think G80 will be extremely solid, however, I have a feeling that it will be constrained by GDDR3 memory, which is why I'll take more interest in the refresh product. I'm not exactly feeling limited by my current setup at the moment either.
Some people will never be happy. Faster than double the performance of dual 7900GTX's (or dual 7900 GTO's on a seriously overclocked Conroe) is very impressive. It's a bit better than going from the 6800U to the 7800GTX.Originally posted by: lopri
Can we all stick to the topic and take off-topics to PMs? It is quite annoying to scroll thrugh the useless posts to find something meaningful.
Now on topic - Actually if those leaked 3DMark scores bear any truth, it is not very impressive as long as DX9 performance is concerned. SLI'ed 7900GTO w/ E6600 @3.6GHz will give more than 10K in 3DMark06. So we're looking at 2x single GPU perfornace increase. And 7950GX2 users aren't missing alot. Now, DX10 support and enhanced image quality is a different subject and again my opinion is on the assumption that the said 3DMark scores are true.
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Gstanfor
One the first point, that's my thoughts precisely The fanatics hate picked picked on though - they don't take the medicine they were so keen to dish out in the nv3x era happily at all (not that that will prevent me rubbing their faces in it every opportunity I get...)
On the second point fanatics are like vermin - impossible to eradicate. 97% of all ATi fanatics were previously 3dfx fanatics, and if ATi goes under they'll all just abandon ship and board whatever new one comes along, and keep right on attacking nvidia as they do so...
If they were to shut their cakeholes, they might find I'd leave them alone.
Greg, I don't know how to break this to you, but YOU are a fanatic. So the comments about vermin and shutting cakeholes applies to you as well.
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
I don't get why you think that the GDDR3 will be such a constraint. Bandwidth is bandwidth, and as long as the GPU can take full advantage of the 384-bit bus, G80 should be golden. 900 MHz on a 384-bit bus is just like 1350 MHz (2700 actual) on a 256-bit bus. Which is a big improvement over the previous gen. 1920X1200 should be a breeze for G80
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
I don't get why you think that the GDDR3 will be such a constraint. Bandwidth is bandwidth, and as long as the GPU can take full advantage of the 384-bit bus, G80 should be golden. 900 MHz on a 384-bit bus is just like 1350 MHz (2700 actual) on a 256-bit bus. Which is a big improvement over the previous gen. 1920X1200 should be a breeze for G80
Exactly. Why spend big $ on the fastest memory chips when you can go with cheaper, slower chips yet still improve overall bandwidth. The only question is how much cost savings there is between twelve GDDR3 chips versus eight GDDR4.
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
I don't get why you think that the GDDR3 will be such a constraint. Bandwidth is bandwidth, and as long as the GPU can take full advantage of the 384-bit bus, G80 should be golden. 900 MHz on a 384-bit bus is just like 1350 MHz (2700 actual) on a 256-bit bus. Which is a big improvement over the previous gen. 1920X1200 should be a breeze for G80
Exactly. Why spend big $ on the fastest memory chips when you can go with cheaper, slower chips yet still improve overall bandwidth. The only question is how much cost savings there is between twelve GDDR3 chips versus eight GDDR4.