G800 Specs !!!

[Czar]

From MURC http://www.matroxusers.com/


<< G800 specs:

G800
Available September 2000
Introduction August 2000
250MHz DDR RAM clock (GF2: 166)
3 pixels/clockcycle, 3 textures/pixel (G400MAX 2/1; GF2: 4/2)
Fillrate 600 MPixels, respectively 1800 MTexels (G400MAX 300/300; GF2: 800/1600)
T&amp;L unit with 20-30 million polys/sec
DualChip setup capability >>



Sweeett.... 250mhz DDRAM !?!? bandwith problem solved ladies and gentlemen
And DualChip setup.

I guess a Dual G800 for me thank you next september

 

[KarlHungus]

Um, where exactly do they expect to get 250 MHz DDR from?

 

[Sunner]

As long as its not from www.matrox .com its not credible IMO. And I hafta agree with KH, seems like they're having enough trouble finding 166 MHz DDR now, if they're gonna wait for 250 MHz they're gonna be competing with Rampage and NV20, if not NV25 and whatever comes after Rampage.

grrr, this censorship thing is getting ridicilous, I got a forbidden word cause of the x. com in matrox .com :|

 

[Czar]

The G800 will compete with NV20 and Rampage, not the current GeForce2 and Voodoo5

 

[Scorpion]

Yeah, it was only a month ago that manufacturers were sampling 200MHz DDR. So where are they going to get 250Mhz DDR by Aug/Sept?

 

[zippy]

Czar, you may want to include the rest of the segment from MURC in this thread too. Those specs were from the old timeline, now it is more likely that we will see the G800 is Q4.

 

[Czar]

True, but we can still hope for a late Q3 release, but its more likely to be late Q4 release. Its still going to kick ass.

 

[zippy]

Czar, yep. I can't wait!

 

[Muerto]

I'm with KH and Sunner on this one. Where are they going to get 250 MHz DDR SDRAM? As Sunner already said, 166 MHz DDR is hard to come by these days. The only way that they can have that kind of bandwidth is to increase the bus width to 256 bits.

250 MHz DDR would give you 8 GB/s of bandwidth. That's a lot but I don't think it's enough to hit the theoretical fillrate. A GF2 with a 256 bit bus would have 10.6 GB/s of bandwidth at 166 MHz DDR, and overclocked to 200 MHz it would have 12.8 GB/s. This is the kind of bandwidth that is necessary here. I think it's pretty obvious that the NV20 will have a 256 bit bus, otherwise I can't see it going anywhere.

 

[NFS4]

<< Fillrate 600 MPixels, respectively 1800 MTexels >>


NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXTTT!!!

Rampage and NV20 will stomp it unless this dual chip thing doesn't cost too much

 

[Czar]

But then again there is a rumor about the G800 using tile based rendering, if thats true then it will beat the NV20 and Rampage sooo bad. But thats only a rumor.

 

[SSP]

Hopefully they won't release it too late. I think it's gona kick ass!

 

[Mikewarrior2]

umm, the rumor for the NV20 is that it'll be tile based rendering as well, so we have to take all these rumors with bags of salt, until something official is announced.



Mike

 

[Compuguru]

Im with Mikewarrior, too much will change from now to september. I just hope theres good competition with nvidia and 3dfx.

 

[randomlinh]

yes, more competition, drive prices down.. further down... damn, i need a job.. gotta start saving for the duron upgrade Or maybe a t-bird if i have the cash/cost is down.

 

[AndrewR]

Matrox released both their G200 and the G400MAX late to market (the MAX was basically unavailable for several months once the initial batch was sold) so I have a STRONG suspicion that Matrox will release the G800 in Q4 well after it could make inroads into the market to any appreciable degree, at least with respect to hardcore graphics freaks and gamers. Damn, that's one sentence.

Anyway, I lost faith in Matrox over the MAX basically because they lied. They told me in email that they were having yield problems (manufacturing difficulties is what they said) but then contradicted that statement, also received by someone else, when it was posted on MURC a few days later. They wouldn't admit in public that they were having trouble producing the MAX -- cowards.

I have a MAX now, and they do make quality products. I'm just jaded with the company already, especially after their G200 OpenGL ICD fiasco.

 

[Prodigy^]

Come on Czar, haven't you learned that specs don't mean $hit and that you can't tell if paper launched hardware will be any good when it's OUT? I don't have any kind of expectations to this card

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

To MikeWarrior,

take a look at this please my good man.
http://www.nvnews.net/articles/loyd_case_interview/page_1.shtml

I'll just do the 'ol CTRL+C - CTRL+V for the good stuff.

nV News: The early benchmarks from the KYRO chip are impressive considering that the clock and memory speeds are running at 125MHz. Does NVIDIA anticipate moving to tile based rendering in the future or a continued &quot;brute force&quot; approach with a few new tricks?

Loyd: Tiled architectures are one way to reduce memory bandwidth usage. The strategy that tiled architectures employ is to be very efficient at &quot;not drawing&quot;. In other words, if there are a lot of pixels in a game or other application that are not drawn, tiled architectures can discard them very quickly. Although this is somewhat useful, it's not really the hard problem to be solving. Drawing high quality shaded and blended pixels is more important that &quot;not drawing&quot; them. Also, accelerating more geometry (better shapes and characters) is a lot more important. In the future, Nvidia may pursue a tiled architecture, when it makes sense. At this point in time, it doesn't seem to make sense.

Im not sure how much this PR monkey knows about nV's future hardware but it doesnt seem that the &quot;hidden surface removal&quot; in the leaked nV20's specs is deffered rendering exactly. It may be something similar, but it may not end up being as efficient (or perhaps more efficient).
*sigh* Only time will will tell i suppose

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Okay, fine, similiar.. but still, the point of my post is that htese are all rumors, and we won't know until something is officially announced... Hopefully Nvidia solves the memory bandwith problem that they have.

Either way, Loyd Case is a pretty knowlegdable guy from way back when...


Mike

 

[obeseotron]

No chance for 250Mhz DDR for September, maybe by the end of the year, but that is doubtful. 200Mhz is much more likley. Also I believe nVidia has more clout than Matrox because they are so big now, so if the 250Mhz stuff was available, nVidia would probably get it first.

 

[MadRat]

Or they likely meant 125mHz DDR and the PR guys got excited.

 

[LocutusX]

The most likeliest explanation, MadRat.

 

[Stringy]

obeseotron posted:

<< No chance for 250Mhz DDR for September, maybe by the end of the year, but that is doubtful. 200Mhz is much more likley. Also I believe nVidia has more clout than Matrox because they are so big now, so if the 250Mhz stuff was available, nVidia would probably get it first. >>


While I agree that 250DDR is prolly alittle Optimistic fer a Sept. release, you are Mislead in the fact that nVidia has NO Clout when it comes to RAM, they set the Spec. they don't manufacture ANY BOARDS...
So who do you think has more Clout?? Leadtech, Creative Labs, or Gillmount, Or Matrox?? I think you can answer that one.. Matrox certailly uses more Memory products than those other companies and they also can work directly with a Memory manufacturer to get what they need to fulfill their needs durring the developement stage...




Craig

 

[CrashX]

I don't know if I would agree that Matrox uses more memory products than the other. Volume comes from OEM deals. Let's face it, Matrox doesn't sell to well in the OEM deals. ATI of course has top numbers there. But companies like Creative are doing quite well in the high end OEM through companies like Gateway and Dell.

 

[Stringy]

CrashX
Well, Maybe I've heard more of the OEM deals that you have but I know Matrox has more OEM dealings than CL or others(in video)... CL deals with Dell and Gateway.. But Matrox has a longer list...
Dell, Compaq, IBM, Comtrade, Quantex etc...
the G400 has been Very sucessful in the OEM market, granted not as sucessful as an ATi but successful none-the-less...

Plus, you should remeber Matrox makes more than just Video cards, they have a Full like of Network solutions, all the way up to the Big stuff, not to mention High-end Graphics and Video solutions other than their PC video cards...

I don't think CL comes close to what Matrox does in Video, now CL does do well as a company, their SB's are basically still the std...




Craig