G92 taped out boys

[Keysplayr]

I wonder if they might be having a problem because it's supposed to be a new architecture AND going to 65nm at the same time. I thought Nvidia didn't want to ever do that.

 

[Raider1284]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
8800 GTX is still more than enough for even Crysis IMO based on what I've seen.

You've seen Crysis running on a 8800GTX?

I've played a demo of crysis on the 8800gtx. At the time, which was a few months ago, it was defineately playable, but slowed down quite a bit during heavy scenes. They also disabled alot of the physics for the demo, i.e. you couldn't shoot down folliage and what not.

The demo was played on a c2q and a 8800gtx, the demo was at the GDC2007.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I wonder if they might be having a problem because it's supposed to be a new architecture AND going to 65nm at the same time. I thought Nvidia didn't want to ever do that.

New architecture? I haven't heard that. Interesting if true.

For four years and $400 million in R&D, I expected at least 2 cycles based off of G80 (NV50).

I thought they were just adding shaders and clockspeed.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dribble

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
anyway there's really 2 big games comming this year that I'll be playing. Bioshock and Crysis. This is assuming that UT2007 is a january release.

UT2007 now called UT3 is a november release - at least that's what's splashed all over the latest videos.

name aside we will see if they can hit that target date. I'm guessing no, but who knows.

They'll hit the target date (which is anytime during the month of November thus far).
Epic has been stating it'll be released when "it's ready" for a long time now.

Something people forget is that they've been playing the game for months & months now - technically years, if you count the older gameplay videos - already.
There's no reason it won't meet the November release.

If they keep their word, we'll see a demo sometime in October or early November very likely as well.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I wonder if they might be having a problem because it's supposed to be a new architecture AND going to 65nm at the same time. I thought Nvidia didn't want to ever do that.

New architecture? I haven't heard that. Interesting if true.

For four years and $400 million in R&D, I expected at least 2 cycles based off of G80 (NV50).

I thought they were just adding shaders and clockspeed.

I haven't heard anything about more shaders. But it does have a 512bit memory bus which would change the way the core communicates with the memory. That would take some architectural changes I believe. And the main reason I said "new architecture" is because of the products naming designation. G9x as opposed to say G81. So I really don't know for sure what the heck this thing will be. NV30 --> NV40 --> G70 --> G80 were all architectural changes. NV30 --> NV35, NV40 had no refresh, and G70 -->G71 would indicate that the G80 should have a G81 for just an increase in clock speed and most likely a die shrink.

Since they use the G9x designation, I'm thinking they are skipping the G80 refresh entirely. As most of us thought Nvidia would do. Processing 1 Tflop at the core could mean "new" architecture. I don't know. So little info has been released and none of it confirmed.

I wonder if Nvidia will now start to utilize parallel smaller cores (sort of modular) on a single die. But then again, what would the merit of something like that be? Dunno. Sorry for the "going nowhere" dialogue. hehe

 

[Dribble]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I haven't heard anything about more shaders. But it does have a 512bit memory bus which would change the way the core communicates with the memory. That would take some architectural changes I believe.

Not many:
8800 GTS 640mb memory 320bit bus
8800 GTX 768mb memory 384bit bus

so they can already widen/narrow bus and increase/decrease memory proportionally, hence
9800 GTX 1024mb memory 512bit bus

is just the same tech but bus wider again and memory upped to match.

 

[Chadder007]

Where is my On Die SLI!!!!

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Dribble

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I haven't heard anything about more shaders. But it does have a 512bit memory bus which would change the way the core communicates with the memory. That would take some architectural changes I believe.

Not many:
8800 GTS 640mb memory 320bit bus
8800 GTX 768mb memory 384bit bus

so they can already widen/narrow bus and increase/decrease memory proportionally, hence
9800 GTX 1024mb memory 512bit bus

is just the same tech but bus wider again and memory upped to match.

I've read that G92 is a completely new design of the core. Nvidia didn't bother with a refresh of G80 because they really had no need to do it.

 

[cyrusm]

im just hoping this will come out before october the 25th
cuz thats my last day to stepup

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: cyrusm
im just hoping this will come out before october the 25th
cuz thats my last day to stepup

I seriously doubt it'll come out at that time.

 

[Passenger57]

More info on the G92 from the folks at VR-Zone, with a launch date (probably paper only) just in time for Black Friday...

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5207

 

[chewietobbacca]

256-bit? Hmm, I had heard rumors this might be the upper mid-range/mainstream card as the 8700 series or something. Is a high-end coming out or not or is this new card just going to be a new midrange? Hmm, maybe no high end is around after all

 

[theprodigalrebel]

As of this 23rd August article, Fudzilla claims G92 will be branded Geforce 8950. The VR-Zone article posted today says the same.

What are the odds Fuad might be right?

 

[Piuc2020]

Doesn't make much sense though... what will the card be called? Its better than a 8600 but worse than a 8800... it certainly can not be called 8950... 8700 maybe?

Something is fishy here. I don't know maybe a poor translation job or something but it doesn't make sense now does it?

After a full year and the 8800 will remain the top card and a 8700 is all we get? This is what happens when the market is no longer competitive, thank you very much you retards at DAAMIT.

Hopefully there is still something new for the top-end in store from nvidia... otherwise it would be really disappointing, I mean, the 8800GTX is already a year old now and its not going to last forever. Well I just beg ATI releases an incredible card next year so nVidia stops resting on the laurels...

If ATI and NVIDIA keep releasing the same cards with the same performance then games will need to stay at their current graphical level (and DX10 will never be embraced) to run on 8800s fine... as if we didn't need anymore bad news for PC gaming. Seriously, where is the 6 month product refresh commitment from NVIDIA?

On the other hand, a 8700 might be fine if its on 8800GTS 320MB performance standards and is priced lower (like 200$ or maybe even lower) it will revitalize the midrange market and in turn give PC Gaming a much needed boost.

 

[Cookie Monster]

B3D did say G92 reached near 1 teraflop.

Am i inclined to believe that number was reached by a GX2 type card? (dual G92s).

It would be nice to see this card replace the 8800GTS 320bit card (since it did say replace the current 8800GTS series), since 65nm and 256bit means reduced heat, power consumption and less complex PCB i.e could result in a single slot design. Obviously theyhave maintained the performance by tweaking the shader core side of things. Im also interested inthe ALu:TEx ratio they have gone with. Since G84 and G80 is different when it comes to that.

The G98 will go head to head with the R620. Im also certain that the 65nm "8700" series is replacing the 8600 series.

 

[aiya24]

the VRzone article states that G92 will replace the 8800GTS to compete with AMDs RV670 aka 2950Pro. to me, the G92 will just be a die shrink of the G80. just like RV670 is a die shrink of R600.

 

[bryanW1995]

how nice would it be to go from talking about the big black hole btwn 150-200 to start arguing about 8700gtx vs 2950 pro?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: aiya24
the VRzone article states that G92 will replace the 8800GTS to compete with AMDs RV670 aka 2950Pro. to me, the G92 will just be a die shrink of the G80. just like RV670 is a die shrink of R600.

And to match manufacturing costs of the 2950pro, Nvidia is implementing a 256-bit memory interface. A competitor to the 2950pro is exactly what G92 must be if they say it is to replace the 8800GTS. But they must have done something drastic to the core if this thing can process 1 teraflop. It just might be a GX2 type single slot card. GeForce 8950GX2.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: aiya24
the VRzone article states that G92 will replace the 8800GTS to compete with AMDs RV670 aka 2950Pro. to me, the G92 will just be a die shrink of the G80. just like RV670 is a die shrink of R600.

It will be a shrink. But not just a "optical shrink" i.e same architecture shrunk down to a lower process. Examples would be 90nm to 80nm.

The jump to 65nm requires re-laying of the architecture and i.e opens up the possibilities of other tweaks. Im certain the NVIO chip might be incorporated into the actual GPU this time, pure video improvements, displayport (rumours) but im sure the ALU i.e shader core has been tweaked. Dual precision comes to mind. Unless the geforce 9 series is the G100.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

If the 9800's push the 8800GTS to $200 or under, I might actually splurge to buy one. Although, if the 9800's are really that much better, maybe I'll wait...damnit, there's never a good time to upgrade!

Edit: Hmmm, just read Passenger's article. I've been waiting for a good mirdrange upgrade. 256-bit works fine for me. I just want 512mb of memory and X1950-8800GTS performance at $200 or under.

 

[Sylvanas]

Judging by the VR-Zone article- looks like both ATI and Nv are prepping manufacturing shrinks before releasing a more 'complicated' architecture as a high end part later on. Practice makes perfect

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
As of this 23rd August article, Fudzilla claims G92 will be branded Geforce 8950. The VR-Zone article posted today says the same.

What are the odds Fuad might be right?

That's funny, I thought G92 was 9800. At least that's what Fraud said last time.

Anyone used Rydermark yet? :laugh:

edit:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=2161&Itemid=34

We know that G92 will end up significantly cooler and faster from very successful G80 but we don?t have much more details. AMD won?t have any other high end card to fight this product until Q1 2008.

Basically they're using the thow as much rubbish out there as possible and something might be right. Faster than G80? With a 256bit bus? Someone is telling porkies.

I don;t trust vr-zone anymore than I do Fudbullshitter.

 

[Cookie Monster]

It would beat the 8800GTS if it had more ALU power and clocked higher which should be possible with the 65nm process. Bandwidth isn't indicative of performance as seen by the R600 and the 512bit memory bus. Simply overkill, and not beneficial to anything except bandwidth limited scenarios which are rare to start off with.

 

[chewietobbacca]

Okay, so what I've learned so far:

G92 is more likely a 8700 than an 8900 or 9800. Also, G92 is likely to compete with 2950Pro than a new generation while ATI flounders. Nvidia isn't stupid - why release a new gen high end card while ATI has a tough time fighting the current high end.

The HKEPC article, translated, says that the G92 is to compete with the 8800GTS while the G98 is to compete with the RV620, the refresh of the 2600/2400 from Nvidia. It *Does* make sense though as Nvidia did state they would shore up mainstream before they ever went high-end, and since the 8600 series sucked, they might go for a filler until later.

 

[Keysplayr]

2900XT 90nm..............320 shaders............512bit GDDR3...............740/1600....389.00
2950pro 55nm.............320 shaders............256bit GDDR4...............850/2200....250.00

8800GTS 90nm.............96 shaders............320bit GDDR3................500/1600....389.00
G92 (8xxx) 65nm..........96 shaders............256bit GDDR4................750/2200....250.00

Nvidia is pulling the same thing as AMD. Because if AMD hits the shelves with the 2950pro, and Nv has nothing to answer to it, AMD will clean up.

Hey, I'm partially guessing at the figures above guys, but how far off could I be?

I personally believe that both the G92 and 2950pro will best a current 2900XT 512/1GB and a 8800GTS 320/640. The GTX is another story, but then again it would be double the price.