G92 taped out boys

[Cookie Monster]

Fillrate is still important even now. Bandwidth however is a different story.

Also, G92 is rumoured to be using 1.0 ns GDDR3 chips. This means they will be clocked at 2000MHz effective which results in the same bandwdith of the 8800GTS 320/640. (256/8 * 2000 = 64GB/s)

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Rusin


Again.. there have been only one news about G92 that came from person who should know something about G92. Nvidia's vice president said that G92 is high end chip and Nvidia doesn't have any reason to break that cycle where they first bring high end chips at Q4 and mid range chips at spring.

But think about it, G80 is a high end chip. But G80 chip is used in 8800GTX Ultra, GTX, GTS640 and 320mb cards. The difference in performance can be 50-75% from 8800GTX Ultra to 8800GTS 320mb due to lack of memory and disabled shaders. Can you still call G80 a high end chip? Yes. Does that tell you anything about the performance of G80 products in that family? No. G92 can still be called a high end chip, but that doesn't tell us much using same logic. In any case, high end != next top card. You can still have a high end card providing performance near 8800GTS 640.

 

[Plumcuda1]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I've already put my vc on craigslist I guess after my step up program ran out.... This will be my new step up program?

There any info on this step up program??

 

[chewietobbacca]

Again, Michael Hara of Nvidia never explicitly states G92 or that G92 = high end. They said that a high end card is coming out, but the writers of the article IMPLIED that G92 = the card that the Nvidia guy was speaking about. But Nvidia never states what core or card designation it is until it is near release.

 

[chiew]

Originally posted by: Plumcuda1

Originally posted by: swtethan
I've already put my vc on craigslist I guess after my step up program ran out.... This will be my new step up program?

There any info on this step up program??

http://evga.com/stepup/default.asp?switch=3

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation


But think about it, G80 is a high end chip. But G80 chip is used in 8800GTX Ultra, GTX, GTS640 and 320mb cards. The difference in performance can be 50-75% from 8800GTX Ultra to 8800GTS 320mb due to lack of memory and disabled shaders. Can you still call G80 a high end chip? Yes. Does that tell you anything about the performance of G80 products in that family? No. G92 can still be called a high end chip, but that doesn't tell us much using same logic. In any case, high end != next top card. You can still have a high end card providing performance near 8800GTS 640.

Well those specs that have been rumoured/made up do tell us about pure midrange chip, not cut down next gen high end chip, and it won't perform as well as it should (loses to 8800GTS 320MB) if it were another "6800LE" or "7900GS".

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
Again, Michael Hara of Nvidia never explicitly states G92 or that G92 = high end. They said that a high end card is coming out, but the writers of the article IMPLIED that G92 = the card that the Nvidia guy was speaking about. But Nvidia never states what core or card designation it is until it is near release.

If we assume you are right and G92 ain't high end then we can say that G92 won't come at November, because Nvidia has promised to bring high end cards first and cheaper models at spring. And those promised performance won't be achieved without next gen high end GPU (or at least not with those made up specifications of G92)

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Because it's called "G92". That's why. If it was called G90, and without any hint of specs, i'd totally say it would be a high end part.

Well there are strong hint when Michael Hara said what kind of performer G92 would be; twice the shader power compared to last gen high end; typical change.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
G90 or G100 will be the next high end GPU from Nvidia. History dictates this to be so. G92/93/94 etc. etc. would be the low/mid range of GPU's.

Wouldn't history also dictate that G92 would be GF9 not GF8? If you can accept that change in Nvidia's codenaming strategy why couldn't you accept that change that G92 could be codename for high end chip?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
G90 or G100 will be the next high end GPU from Nvidia. History dictates this to be so. G92/93/94 etc. etc. would be the low/mid range of GPU's.

Wouldn't history also dictate that G92 would be GF9 not GF8? If you can accept that change in Nvidia's codenaming strategy why couldn't you accept that change that G92 could be codename for high end chip?

Because it's possible for the G92 to be a midrange chip that outperforms the 8800GTS then later they release a high end version calling it the G90 that is faster yet. Why would they do this? Because many more people buy 8800gts than they are buying 8800GTX and Ultra parts. It makes sense from the standpoint of making money. Getting a very well performing midrange part out before the competition takes their potential customers.

 

[Svtman]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
G90 or G100 will be the next high end GPU from Nvidia. History dictates this to be so. G92/93/94 etc. etc. would be the low/mid range of GPU's.

Wouldn't history also dictate that G92 would be GF9 not GF8? If you can accept that change in Nvidia's codenaming strategy why couldn't you accept that change that G92 could be codename for high end chip?

Because it's possible for the G92 to be a midrange chip that outperforms the 8800GTS then later they release a high end version calling it the G90 that is faster yet. Why would they do this? Because many more people buy 8800gts than they are buying 8800GTX and Ultra parts. It makes sense from the standpoint of making money. Getting a very well performing midrange part out before the competition takes their potential customers.

It makes very good business sense to do this, but it sucks for those of us who want to spend the holidays building/playing games with a new highend card..

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Because it's possible for the G92 to be a midrange chip that outperforms the 8800GTS then later they release a high end version calling it the G90 that is faster yet. Why would they do this? Because many more people buy 8800gts than they are buying 8800GTX and Ultra parts. It makes sense from the standpoint of making money. Getting a very well performing midrange part out before the competition takes their potential customers.

Outperform 8800GTS..then this speculated 8700GTS name wouldn't make sense. Well Nvidia has already said something about performance of that chip that they will release and it won't just outperform 88GTS, it will outperform 88ULTRA.

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There was also rumours about that there will be some new GF8 cards coming before G92; basically 65nm+pci-e2 versions of G80 and G84. If we go to this speculation game they could still sell GF8800GTS 320MB when they have released high end chip G92 since G80 65nm would be cheaper to make than 90nm version + less heat (possible one slot cooler).

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But these are anonymous rumours.. These "G92 is midrange" "news" doesn't have any sources and don't give any reason to believe that these sites would know what kind of chip is G92. So far their "news" have been good as anyone else's gues. Everyone knows that these sites have printed pure speculation as real news in past..

 

[biostud]

maybe they both have an G92 and G90 chip ready for yule..............

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Because it's possible for the G92 to be a midrange chip that outperforms the 8800GTS then later they release a high end version calling it the G90 that is faster yet. Why would they do this? Because many more people buy 8800gts than they are buying 8800GTX and Ultra parts. It makes sense from the standpoint of making money. Getting a very well performing midrange part out before the competition takes their potential customers.

Outperform 8800GTS..then this speculated 8700GTS name wouldn't make sense. Well Nvidia has already said something about performance of that chip that they will release and it won't just outperform 88GTS, it will outperform 88ULTRA.

--

There was also rumours about that there will be some new GF8 cards coming before G92; basically 65nm+pci-e2 versions of G80 and G84. If we go to this speculation game they could still sell GF8800GTS 320MB when they have released high end chip G92 since G80 65nm would be cheaper to make than 90nm version + less heat (possible one slot cooler).

--

But these are anonymous rumours.. These "G92 is midrange" "news" doesn't have any sources and don't give any reason to believe that these sites would know what kind of chip is G92. So far their "news" have been good as anyone else's gues. Everyone knows that these sites have printed pure speculation as real news in past..

Ever hear of anonymous leaks? You can't say "oh so and so over at Nvidia just told me about this" and then get your source fired. It's not uncommon.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I also think the GX2 SKU seem possible. If the G92 performs roughly on par with the 8800GTS, then G92 GX2 would definitely beat the 8800ultra. While going at a price tag of $499 or so. But as people pointed out there could be infact G90 also under the wings.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Because it's possible for the G92 to be a midrange chip that outperforms the 8800GTS then later they release a high end version calling it the G90 that is faster yet. Why would they do this? Because many more people buy 8800gts than they are buying 8800GTX and Ultra parts. It makes sense from the standpoint of making money. Getting a very well performing midrange part out before the competition takes their potential customers.

Outperform 8800GTS..then this speculated 8700GTS name wouldn't make sense. Well Nvidia has already said something about performance of that chip that they will release and it won't just outperform 88GTS, it will outperform 88ULTRA.

--

There was also rumours about that there will be some new GF8 cards coming before G92; basically 65nm+pci-e2 versions of G80 and G84. If we go to this speculation game they could still sell GF8800GTS 320MB when they have released high end chip G92 since G80 65nm would be cheaper to make than 90nm version + less heat (possible one slot cooler).

--

But these are anonymous rumours.. These "G92 is midrange" "news" doesn't have any sources and don't give any reason to believe that these sites would know what kind of chip is G92. So far their "news" have been good as anyone else's gues. Everyone knows that these sites have printed pure speculation as real news in past..

Well, all I know is, I saved all your posts on this subject and saving them for G92 launch day. We'll discuss things then.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd


Ever hear of anonymous leaks? You can't say "oh so and so over at Nvidia just told me about this" and then get your source fired. It's not uncommon.

Yep..they are the most unreliable sources that there is

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Well, all I know is, I saved all your posts on this subject and saving them for G92 launch day. We'll discuss things then.

We have to wait. If your theory is correct we can say that Nvidia did lie..simple as that.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Well, all I know is, I saved all your posts on this subject and saving them for G92 launch day. We'll discuss things then.

We have to wait. If your theory is correct we can say that Nvidia did lie..simple as that.

I'm afraid not.

"Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
Again, Michael Hara of Nvidia never explicitly states G92 or that G92 = high end. They said that a high end card is coming out, but the writers of the article IMPLIED that G92 = the card that the Nvidia guy was speaking about. But Nvidia never states what core or card designation it is until it is near release."

Chewietobbacca is correct here. So, whatever G92 turns out to be, no lies were told. If anything at all, the writers of the article assumed too much.

 

[chiew]

Bleh, all this talk is making me nervous. I recently got a Dell 3007WFP-HC and a 8800GTS 640mb to run it, and I have a feeling like whatever comes out soon will be faster. I just hope I can use the EVGA program to stepup. And to use that program, the card has to be more than $350, which is what I paid for the 8800GTS (before 30 rebate)... which means if either 1) the new cards are under $350 or 2) the new cards come out after december, I'm not gonna have an easy time.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rusin

We have to wait. If your theory is correct we can say that Nvidia did lie..simple as that.

So why be surprised that Nvidia lied. Is normal practice for those guys. They would call it creating a positive buzz or some such evasion.

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't know of a single 100% truthful corporation. Probably because they all are out of business. Sad.

 

[BFG10K]

If the G92 performs roughly on par with the 8800GTS, then G92 GX2 would definitely beat the 8800ultra.

Not necessarily given nVidia's piss-poor Vista SLI support. With the state of the drivers now it would be a mistake for nVidia to bet on SLI when there's no need for it given a die shrink almost guarantees a performance gain over the G80..

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I don't know of a single 100% truthful corporation. Probably because they all are out of business. Sad.

No but Nvidia appears less likely than most to use the truth. Works for them, so guess it is ok.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Well, all I know is, I saved all your posts on this subject and saving them for G92 launch day. We'll discuss things then.

We have to wait. If your theory is correct we can say that Nvidia did lie..simple as that.

I'm afraid not.

"Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
Again, Michael Hara of Nvidia never explicitly states G92 or that G92 = high end. They said that a high end card is coming out, but the writers of the article IMPLIED that G92 = the card that the Nvidia guy was speaking about. But Nvidia never states what core or card designation it is until it is near release."

Chewietobbacca is correct here. So, whatever G92 turns out to be, no lies were told. If anything at all, the writers of the article assumed too much.

Michael Hara did tell just how powerfull G92 will be and he told that they would first release high end chip. So according to him what ever they launch (G92, G90, Santa Clause) it's high end.