G92 taped out boys

[ebeattie]

GPUs are only useful for games and look at the gaming market. Sadly it's pretty weak compared to what it was. Nvidia is expecting everyone to shell out $500 for 2 games.

Considering the games, I sure as hell will!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: ronnn
Hardly surprising considering cpu's have met the same wall.

Who says anything about gpus reaching a wall? Considering gpus are still on 80/90nm they stilll have room to go to at least 32nm or maybe lower before things start to get challenging. If anything there haven't been enough games to push 8800GTX. 1 year into its life span almost and Bioshock isnt anywhere near stressing it. Remember when Doom 3 came out or Far Cry -- you could hardly run those games at 1600x1200 with AA/AF enabled with 1 top card then available.

By wall I meant the cost of making a complex chip versus 2 smaller chips, that can do the same. Especially in the long off future when games actually catch up to the technology.

 

[chiew]

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070829PD216.html

another source saying that G92 is midrange (replacing 8800gts) and G98 is lowrange (replacing 8500, 8600). looks like no 9xxx for now, its going to be named 8xxx because of little major updates.

go, price drops, go!

 

[chiew]

Somethings definitely up, I just checked Newegg and they used to have 5 diff 8800GTS XFX cards in stock, now they're down to two that are in stock. Prob clearing out all the 8800GTS's.

Evga also continued their rebates into september on their 8800GTS's at newegg...

 

[bryanW1995]

yes, we have seen this past year how no competition sux for us. 8800's are still selling very near their original prices from last year. Hopefully we will see something competitive from ati soon.

 

[chiew]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41836

What exactly is DisplayPort?

and what do they mean by "with 812/3, 824/5, and 830/5 being usual suspects"... what are the /3 and /5?

And last of all, whats "taped out"

sorry, I'm a noob. thanks in advance

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: ebeattie

GPUs are only useful for games and look at the gaming market. Sadly it's pretty weak compared to what it was. Nvidia is expecting everyone to shell out $500 for 2 games.

Considering the games, I sure as hell will!

This is why people especially developers look at consoles. Same hardware for 5 years or more, and people don't have to worry about "will my system play this game?". They can buy a console for $400 and play hundreds of games over the life of the console. Vs buying an 8800gts and worrying if the games next year will run like crap because they have a newer card comming.

 

[shadowofthesun]

Originally posted by: chiew
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41836

What exactly is DisplayPort?

AFAIK, DisplayPort is somewhat of a competitior to HDMI, except that HDMI is more media-center and TV-centered, while DisplayPort is more LCD-centered. No major differences in terms of features.

Originally posted by: chiew
and what do they mean by "with 812/3, 824/5, and 830/5 being usual suspects"... what are the /3 and /5?

Should mean 812 or 813, 824 or 825, and 830 or 835 mhz, unless there is some tech definition of "/" that differs from the english one

Originally posted by: chiew
And last of all, whats "taped out"

Taped out means that they have released a demo chip- a "prototype" if you will. The chips are designed by ATI and nVidia at their respective headquarters. Then, the chips are sent off to large-scale manufacturing centers (fabs) which produce the actual chip. The tape-outs are the very first chips that are fully functional, or nearly so. What remains from tape-out on is refining, enabling further feature sets, and streamlining the whole process to increase yeilds and decrease costs.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: chiew
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070829PD216.html

another source saying that G92 is midrange (replacing 8800gts) and G98 is lowrange (replacing 8500, 8600). looks like no 9xxx for now, its going to be named 8xxx because of little major updates.

go, price drops, go!

Still last time Nvidia said anything about G92, it was high end chip..

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm willing to bet on the following:

G90 = high end (8900/9900 GTS/GTX)
G92 = Midrange (8650/8700/8750/9650/9750)
G98 = Value (8450/8550/9450/9550)

Still unclear if Nvidia will keep the 8 nomenclature or move to 9.
But history tells us the high end will be divisible by 10. NV30, NV40, G70, G80, G90.
And I think thats how it will remain. Reporting sites are just getting their information screwed up.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm willing to bet on the following:

G90 = high end (8900/9900 GTS/GTX)
G92 = Midrange (8650/8700/8750/9650/9750)
G98 = Value (8450/8550/9450/9550)

Still unclear if Nvidia will keep the 8 nomenclature or move to 9.
But history tells us the high end will be divisible by 10. NV30, NV40, G70, G80, G90.
And I think thats how it will remain. Reporting sites are just getting their information screwed up.

I'm betting that G92 is high end gpu. Why? Michael Hara, vice president of Nvidia has already said that G92 is successor to G80 and that it will deliver over 1 teraflops. I believe that guy more than anonymous rumours.

 

[Keysplayr]

NV42 = 6800 PCI-e

G72 = GeForce 7300

G82 = does not exist

So, it's anyone's guess. Looks like Nvidia is just skipping G90 and going right into what would be it's refresh?

 

[hennessy1]

So which one of these cards will have the 1gb of vram? Like the model number and an approxomint release date?

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
NV42 = 6800 PCI-e

G72 = GeForce 7300

G82 = does not exist

So, it's anyone's guess. Looks like Nvidia is just skipping G90 and going right into what would be it's refresh?

Or they are just changing their naming tactics? All we know now is that G92 is high end gpu

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
NV42 = 6800 PCI-e

G72 = GeForce 7300

G82 = does not exist

So, it's anyone's guess. Looks like Nvidia is just skipping G90 and going right into what would be it's refresh?

Or they are just changing their naming tactics? All we know now is that G92 is high end gpu

No. We don't know that.

 

[BenchZowner]

Originally posted by: Rusin
Or they are just changing their naming tactics? All we know now is that G92 is high end gpu

Correct, both.

G92...hmm... Samsung GDDR4-3200, 384BIT mem bus ( like G80 ), 24xx Shader Domain freq.

Wanna place a bet against the sentence above ?

 

[LightningRider]

I really want a GeForce 9 series card. Yea, I know I don't need it though.

I wish they would just come out with some hard facts about all this to know where we stand as far as video cards in the market. Instead we have to guess.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


No. We don't know that.

I don't know where these few news sites are getting these "G92 is mid range chip"-news? Nvidia has clearly stated that G92 is successor to G80, and it has over two times more shader power.

 

[n7]

yet another report of the G92 being midrange :frown:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20070902154658.html

I will be royally annoyed if all we see is a mid-high end refresh in November.

I'm really hoping for a huge upgrade from this 8800 GTX, as it really can't handle newer titles @ 2048x1536+.

 

[CP5670]

it is highly unlikely that Nvidia has no plans to offer a new top-of-the-range product this fall.

I really want to upgrade from this X1900XTX now that some good games are starting to come out, but the 8800GTX seems like a bad option given that it's still $500 after almost a year.

Maybe I should get a cheaper 320 GTS for now and wait it out for another six months or so.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: n7
yet another report of the G92 being midrange :frown:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20070902154658.html

I will be royally annoyed if all we see is a mid-high end refresh in November.

I'm really hoping for a huge upgrade from this 8800 GTX, as it really can't handle newer titles @ 2048x1536+.

Another rumour that has no source..

 

[Wreckage]

I'm betting that NVIDIA is still on at least a 18 month schedule. So at best we may soon see a 8900GTX that will merely be on a smaller process offering a slight (%20) speed bump, less power, less heat and maybe some hardware polish over the 8800.

Not sure why anyone thinks a totally new card would come out after only a year. Especially since they have no competition for the GTX and have had little reason to drop the price on it.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: n7
I'm really hoping for a huge upgrade from this 8800 GTX, as it really can't handle newer titles @ 2048x1536+.

God i hope you're kidding....

What's next? "wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my 9800gtx wont run 7536244356348x9p86764685764 with 64AA smooth.... wahhhhhhhhhhhhh"

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: n7
I'm really hoping for a huge upgrade from this 8800 GTX, as it really can't handle newer titles @ 2048x1536+.

God i hope you're kidding....

What's next? "wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my 9800gtx wont run 7536244356348x9p86764685764 with 64AA smooth.... wahhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Seriously. because less than 1% of the world plays at a resolution like that they have to make it priority #1? No way buddy. As said in another thread. Whoever gets a midrange card to perform adequately in DX10 will make a killing.

 

[chiew]

Originally posted by: shadowofthesun

Originally posted by: chiew
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41836

What exactly is DisplayPort?

AFAIK, DisplayPort is somewhat of a competitior to HDMI, except that HDMI is more media-center and TV-centered, while DisplayPort is more LCD-centered. No major differences in terms of features.

Originally posted by: chiew
and what do they mean by "with 812/3, 824/5, and 830/5 being usual suspects"... what are the /3 and /5?

Should mean 812 or 813, 824 or 825, and 830 or 835 mhz, unless there is some tech definition of "/" that differs from the english one

Originally posted by: chiew
And last of all, whats "taped out"

Taped out means that they have released a demo chip- a "prototype" if you will. The chips are designed by ATI and nVidia at their respective headquarters. Then, the chips are sent off to large-scale manufacturing centers (fabs) which produce the actual chip. The tape-outs are the very first chips that are fully functional, or nearly so. What remains from tape-out on is refining, enabling further feature sets, and streamlining the whole process to increase yeilds and decrease costs.

hey shadwofthesun, thanks a lot!