Gabe Says Something

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Mike Gayner

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As for TF2 itself... I am worse off, because I enjoyed the game for the new maps, well thought out class unlocks, and continuous balance updates. Look at TF2's update history as of late, it's all cosmetic/stupid items and fixes for the store and other crap while the actual game itself is abandoned. I am also worse off when members of your team decide to go afk mid-round to work out a trade with another player or try to decide what color to paint the christmas tree hat on their head. I mean the game has become an absolute joke. It used to have class and depth.

How can you say TF2 is abandoned? It's probably the least abandoned game (whatever that means) currently available.
 

Red Storm

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How can you say TF2 is abandoned? It's probably the least abandoned game (whatever that means) currently available.

From a game play and performance fixing standpoint, it is all but abandoned. Valve just pumps in more and more items and weapons without even bothering to give them kill icons or other attention to detail, and most of the latest fixes for the game revolve around the store and/or cosmetic items. People used to be ecstatic when there was a game update, cause that meant there was a good chance Valve would fix an issue. Now it's things like "Added a rake as a melee weapon. Fixed not being able to paint Camera Beards, etc."
 

snewdle

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From a game play and performance fixing standpoint, it is all but abandoned. Valve just pumps in more and more items and weapons without even bothering to give them kill icons or other attention to detail, and most of the latest fixes for the game revolve around the store and/or cosmetic items. People used to be ecstatic when there was a game update, cause that meant there was a good chance Valve would fix an issue. Now it's things like "Added a rake as a melee weapon. Fixed not being able to paint Camera Beards, etc."

While I am in no way saying you are wrong, I started playing TF2 when I got the Valve Complete pack over the holidays and and am having a friggin' blast. Maybe its because I'm ignorant of what the game as like before all the item updates and whatever else they've added since release, but I honestly could give a shit. The bottom line is for me the game is fun. In fact its very fun.
 

SonicIce

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Apr 12, 2004
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im beginning to see the point of SB. every developer is going to design their games to run on it.
 

zerocool84

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From a game play and performance fixing standpoint, it is all but abandoned. Valve just pumps in more and more items and weapons without even bothering to give them kill icons or other attention to detail, and most of the latest fixes for the game revolve around the store and/or cosmetic items. People used to be ecstatic when there was a game update, cause that meant there was a good chance Valve would fix an issue. Now it's things like "Added a rake as a melee weapon. Fixed not being able to paint Camera Beards, etc."

Wow dude give them some damn time. They still do stuff with TF2. Geez angry much? I don't think there's EVER been a game in history of games that's been supported this well for this long.
 

LumbergTech

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How can you say TF2 is abandoned? It's probably the least abandoned game (whatever that means) currently available.

for me and all of my friends
A: the game crashes while loading
B: when it does properly load, it takes forever to connect to the server
C: it often crashes while connecting to the server
D: minor gripe, but the new interface is just a big pain in the ass, its ugly and stupid and doesnt add anything to the game..

i dont mind the cosmetic changes such as a person being able to equip a hat, but the whole backpack thing is retardeded..it is convoluted and it adds nothing meaningful to the game
 

JSt0rm

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While I am in no way saying you are wrong, I started playing TF2 when I got the Valve Complete pack over the holidays and and am having a friggin' blast. Maybe its because I'm ignorant of what the game as like before all the item updates and whatever else they've added since release, but I honestly could give a shit. The bottom line is for me the game is fun. In fact its very fun.

Its a great game your just a couple years late to the party. As good as it is now it was omgwtfbq good 2 years ago.
 

magomago

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Sep 28, 2002
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lol how funny. you see SB barely keeping pace at 1024x768 at complete low details. I don't think they are aiming for console land yet.
 

imaheadcase

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May 9, 2005
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DLC has always been a joke. It takes away from the actual game imo. Instead of concentrating on patches they focus on them.

Sure its a business...but come on. It seems desperate from devs to do that.
 

JoshGuru7

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Look at TF2's update history as of late, it's all cosmetic/stupid items and fixes for the store and other crap while the actual game itself is abandoned.
You are picking the wrong base case to compare against. The alternative is not Valve giving you new maps for free, but always do nothing. Of course hats are worse than free maps, but they are also worse than cures for cancer.

TF2 is well over three years old and Valve has released an enormous amount of content for a product that doesn't have a subscription fee. Do you think that you are entitled to new free content forever?
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
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What does that even mean?

Means you can continue to expect your high end graphics card and CPU to be under utilized, games to be short, buggy, have low resolution textures, shoddy consolized UIs, minimal patch support, and truck loads of monetized DLC. Not the route we want PC gaming to go down.

On the plus side, it will save me money. Not a big need to rush out for Windows 8 or the new high end hardware. Could very well toss Windows altogether, with gaming out of the picture.
 

Golgatha

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Jul 18, 2003
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LOL, Intel graphics.

If anything, the fact that games haven't gotten more demanding is the biggest boost to PC gaming performance on lower end cards. NVidia and ATI onboard graphics are constantly improving and a $100 discrete card from two years ago is still good enough to handle most games.

The real innovation that needs to be done isn't in graphics chipsets, it's in user experience. People who aren't comfortable with computers hate having to deal with all the problems associated with PC gaming and prefer the "drop in and play" you get with a console. That's what a "console-like experience" should be all about. Steam has made some progress there but it's still nowhere near as simple.

Actually, I'd say the "drop in and play" experience on the PC is better than consoles. Most games support automatic updates and all Steam games update themselves in the background. Background updating of games costs extra money on the 360 and PS3.

Also, all PC games install the majority of the files to a HDD by default, which is an order of magnitude faster than an optical drive, and you don't need the disc to play the game once it's installed.
 

pontifex

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Actually, I'd say the "drop in and play" experience on the PC is better than consoles. Most games support automatic updates and all Steam games update themselves in the background. Background updating of games costs extra money on the 360 and PS3.

Also, all PC games install the majority of the files to a HDD by default, which is an order of magnitude faster than an optical drive, and you don't need the disc to play the game once it's installed.

I'm not sure what games you play on console that cost extra to update (beyond DLC)?

if a PC doesn't work right then you're in a heap of trouble (potentially). console games ALWAYS work. I can't play Darksiders on PC without it constantly hanging on me after 10 minutes of play. I have no idea why. This is the only game I have that is giving me problems and I have a ton of games installed.
 
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Lonyo

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Intel said this too.
If you watch the interview on Anandtech with the Intel guy, he said that with SB they aimed at console level graphics performance.
 

Red Storm

Lifer
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You are picking the wrong base case to compare against. The alternative is not Valve giving you new maps for free, but always do nothing. Of course hats are worse than free maps, but they are also worse than cures for cancer.

TF2 is well over three years old and Valve has released an enormous amount of content for a product that doesn't have a subscription fee. Do you think that you are entitled to new free content forever?

Actually, only a small percentage of all the latest content is from Valve, most of it is from the community, so there was no worry about no more updates, the community made sure of that. This is the route they were taking with new maps, and that was fine, but then they started letting everything in... and that is my only gripe. They really lowered the bar in terms of quality when it came to new content, and it brought the game down a few notches (the game was as close to perfect as it will ever be right before the Scout Update era).

But to get back on topic, while Gabe's comment is indeed quite idiotic, there's nothing bad to be said of increased IGP performance. Anything that raises the bar on the low end is great for all gamers, be they enthusiasts or not.
 

Sentrosi2121

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Aug 8, 2004
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Interesting. We're almost at a divergence in PC Gaming.
On one end we have the console ports that under-utilize video cards that were made 5 years ago.
On the other end we have a company that make games like Crysis; a game that still can not be fully rendered with our current generation cards. There is incredible, untapped potential in Crytek. They're just screaming for more innovation in the PC gaming world. And I have to support their efforts.
 

Modular

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Jul 1, 2005
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We already get the console experience with half ass ports, average graphics, and overpriced crappy DLC for a start.

Not to mention the fact that out of nowhere Valve is pawning all of these "Indie" games on us. From what I can see, they seem like nothing more than dumbed down versions of good games that require little to no hardware power (for the most part). Sure, they're fun for many people to play, but they aren't the direction I want to see PC gaming going towards.
 

HeXen

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Not to mention the fact that out of nowhere Valve is pawning all of these "Indie" games on us. From what I can see, they seem like nothing more than dumbed down versions of good games that require little to no hardware power (for the most part). Sure, they're fun for many people to play, but they aren't the direction I want to see PC gaming going towards.

these types of games have always dominated in abundance on the computer platform. right now its part of whats keeping PC a viable platform for gaming but of course smaller, lower powered computers are more popular than the large desktops and the mega million dollar budgets for a single game is very risky for PC.
i wouldn't say their dumbed down versions but rather more old school style thats cost effective and easier for people to make.....just like it used to be. They remind me of the Amiga days

Lets face it, we have far fewer, but much larger Publishers these days like Ubi, EA and most gamers do nothing but complain about them anyway. i think independent games are great. Indie games will have no effect on games like Metro 2033 from being made...our wallets do that.
 
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