Gaddafi forces capture and torture BBC news crew

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Veliko

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They're not spying FOR a nation, but on a broad scale, they're gathering information for the Western world. Gadaffi cut off the internet and phones for a reason, to limit information flow. Allowing reporters in to publicize the situation runs contrary to his interests, so I fully understand his treatment of the reporters.

Ok Adolf, where have you been hiding all these years?
 

wuliheron

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*gets a headache*

This is the only part of your post that is relevant. Your justification for saying "Serves them right for breaking the law" is that there is small possibility that those journalists paid someone to assault them.

You are mental.


Sorry, but crying over people whose job is to sell sensationalist crap and lie to public is what sounds crazy to me. Next you'll be telling me you really feel sorry for Charlie Sheen because obviously he's had a rough life and that anyone who laughs at soap operas must be mental.
 

Veliko

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Sorry, but crying over people whose job is to sell sensationalist crap and lie to public is what sounds crazy to me. Next you'll be telling me you really feel sorry for Charlie Sheen because obviously he's had a rough life and that anyone who laughs at soap operas must be mental.

BBC crew beaten, assaulted and subjected to mock executions by oppressive regime vs rich actor who shouts his mouth off on TV.

Yeah, those are equal things to compare.

And again your justification for taking a "Serves them right for breaking the law" stance is that they are journalists.
 

wuliheron

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BBC crew beaten, assaulted and subjected to mock executions by oppressive regime vs rich actor who shouts his mouth off on TV.

Yeah, those are equal things to compare.

And again your justification for taking a "Serves them right for breaking the law" stance is that they are journalists.

I don't feel the need to justify myself to you or anyone else. If you want to cry over a bunch of reporters who knowingly risk their necks in order to make money and spread propaganda that's your choice. Personally I find it no different then someone who cries because a race car driver gets killed and then goes right back to watching the races. By following their broadcasts you support just such incidents and, frankly, I don't see the value in their work. You might as well watch Jack Ass for all the redeeming social value it has and then complain when people laugh because someone gets hurt.
 
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irishScott

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They're not spying FOR a nation, but on a broad scale, they're gathering information for the Western world. Gadaffi cut off the internet and phones for a reason, to limit information flow. Allowing reporters in to publicize the situation runs contrary to his interests, so I fully understand his treatment of the reporters.

Understanding is not justification. What Gaddafi did was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and an unnecessary, unproductive act of cruelty. His goons tortured the innocent for the lulz. There is no excuse for that.

If limiting information flow was the aim, he could have just had the reporters ejected from the country.
 

wuliheron

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It's librul media, why do you rightwingers care?


Because expressing outrage is what conservatives do. I think its a fundamentalist thing. Lots of pointing of fingers and taking of umbrage, shouting and gnashing of teeth. All that John the Baptist kind of behavior.
 

Scotteq

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Because expressing outrage is what conservatives do. I think its a fundamentalist thing. Lots of pointing of fingers and taking of umbrage, shouting and gnashing of teeth. All that John the Baptist kind of behavior.


Riiiiiiight



Because Liberals are all for Journalists being tortured because those Journalists are actually spies.


Nice to know you get your Politics out of the bottom of a Captain Crunch box.
 

wuliheron

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Riiiiiiight

Because Liberals are all for Journalists being tortured because those Journalists are actually spies.

Nice to know you get your Politics out of the bottom of a Captain Crunch box.


I never said they were spies so either you know something the rest of us don't or you need to take you medicine.
 

Nebor

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Understanding is not justification. What Gaddafi did was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and an unnecessary, unproductive act of cruelty. His goons tortured the innocent for the lulz. There is no excuse for that.

If limiting information flow was the aim, he could have just had the reporters ejected from the country.

Agreed. I didn't say it was right. I was just saying I understand.
 

JEDIYoda

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Journalists are protected by the Geneva Conventions moron. Fair game my ass.

Sorry to inform you but journalist can and will aid the enemy of the country they are reporting from.
They have free access to travel and do as they please...Noooooo....

Geneva convention be damned.......
You think for a minute that if the United States was invaded that we would allow foreign journalists free reign to do as they please?

We would round the whole lot of them up and send them packing!

In was there are civilian casualties and as a result I see no protection for journalists under the Geneva Convention. They are after all considered to be CIVILIAN!!!---???
 

jonks

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what torture? beatings? thought we established that was just enhanced interrogation?
 

JEDIYoda

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They're not spying FOR a nation, but on a broad scale, they're gathering information for the Western world. Gadaffi cut off the internet and phones for a reason, to limit information flow. Allowing reporters in to publicize the situation runs contrary to his interests, so I fully understand his treatment of the reporters.

Exactly@@!! Gadaffi was treating them as civilians!!
 

irishScott

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Sorry to inform you but journalist can and will aid the enemy of the country they are reporting from.
They have free access to travel and do as they please...Noooooo....

Geneva convention be damned.......
You think for a minute that if the United States was invaded that we would allow foreign journalists free reign to do as they please?

We would round the whole lot of them up and send them packing!

In was there are civilian casualties and as a result I see no protection for journalists under the Geneva Convention. They are after all considered to be CIVILIAN!!!---???

Yes we would send them packing. We wouldn't round them up and torture them Abu Ghraib style with a few upgrades (ie: physical beatings and shooting submachine guns next to their heads). Did you even read the article?

As for the bolded... stop posting. Please. You are a weakling who was just beaten in logical argument and now you're throwing a fit. Go drink some Kool-aid in your time out chair and get back to us when you're ready to act like an adult.
 

irishScott

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Exactly@@!! Gadaffi was treating them as civilians!!

Stop acting like you know what the Geneva conventions say. You don't and just look like an idiot.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/FULL/375?OpenDocument

Art 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following
provisions:
(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) taking of hostages;
(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
(2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.
An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.
 

jonks

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Exactly@@!! Gadaffi was treating them as civilians!!

I've warned you. More than once. Don't say I didn't. I told you what I was going to do. That's it. The mission has begun. Your shift key is doomed. Doomed.
 

comptr6

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Yes we would send them packing. We wouldn't round them up and torture them Abu Ghraib style with a few upgrades (ie: physical beatings and shooting submachine guns next to their heads). Did you even read the article?

As for the bolded... stop posting. Please. You are a weakling who was just beaten in logical argument and now you're throwing a fit. Go drink some Kool-aid in your time out chair and get back to us when you're ready to act like an adult.

Sorry but you're the idiot! He knows exactly what he's talking about when it comes to the liberal media, especially the BBC. Israel has to deal harshly with the foreign liberal press, especially the BBC as they are obsessed with reporting pro-palestinian propaganda BS all the time.
 

irishScott

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Sorry but you're the idiot! He knows exactly what he's talking about when it comes to the liberal media, especially the BBC. Israel has to deal harshly with the foreign liberal press, especially the BBC as they are obsessed with reporting pro-palestinian propaganda BS all the time.

 

Nebor

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Stop acting like you know what the Geneva conventions say. You don't and just look like an idiot.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/FULL/375?OpenDocument

You seem very hung up on the Geneva Conventions, as if they're going to be as strictly enforced as a school dress code. The truth is there's no one to enforce them, and they are only loosely adhered to as many sections are way out of date.

I've walked through Afghan villages and seen the battle damage caused by shelling them with white phosphorous artillery shells in violation of the Geneva Convention. I've also seen soldiers and marines issued expanding and fragmenting small arms ammunition in violation of the Hague Convention.

Rules of war are silly things that people come up with when they're not fighting a war. When they're fighting a war, you just want to make the other guys dead and keep your guys alive. Libya is fighting a war, and frankly it's none of our business.

Have you read the pleas of the rebels for a no-fly zone? Today they're asking for us to directly strike Gaddafi's forces. The irony? All these requests are coming from rebel fighters named Mohammed, Ramdan, and Abdel-Hafidh. As if we haven't figured out those are bad guy names by now.

I say again, none of our fucking business.
 

Zebo

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We should have taken him out a week ago. As we fail I'm sure hundreds of thousands will die due to this thug/terrorist. He still has payback coming for Berlin/Panam among other hit jobs he ordered internationally and the Libyan people gave us perfect excuse. But it's Obama in charge after all which is fail personified.
 

Nebor

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We should have taken him out a week ago. As we fail I'm sure hundreds of thousands will die due to this thug/terrorist. He still has payback coming for Berlin/Panam among other hit jobs he ordered internationally and the Libyan people gave us perfect excuse. But it's Obama in charge after all which is fail personified.

This is not our war. It's not our problem. If we're going to get involved in another shitstorm of a war, let's at least pick a good one like Iran, Pakistan, North Korea or Mexico.
 

Zebo

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This is not our war. It's not our problem. If we're going to get involved in another shitstorm of a war, let's at least pick a good one like Iran, Pakistan, North Korea or Mexico.

Fail. Every war has it's merits and demerits. This one has a lot of merit. We could jack his deserved shit with a CBG and get a little street creed back in fundiville. That he has it coming for killing Americans it enough for me and everything else is icing on cake.
 

Nebor

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Fail. Every war has it's merits and demerits. This one has a lot of merit. We could jack his deserved shit with a CBG and get a little street creed back in fundiville. That he has it coming for killing Americans it enough for me and everything else is icing on cake.

Ancient history. Consider that a no-fly zone would require going to war with Libya. We'd have to kill rebels and loyalists in the process. And then people would say that we have a responsibility to Libya since we got involved.

Fuck those people. They can deal with their own problems.
 

CrackRabbit

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Ancient history. Consider that a no-fly zone would require going to war with Libya. We'd have to kill rebels and loyalists in the process. And then people would say that we have a responsibility to Libya since we got involved.

Fuck those people. They can deal with their own problems.

I agree, the US has little place in a Libyan civil war.

As much as I think Gadaffi should catch the short end of a big bomb it isn't the US's place to send it at him.
 
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