Gadhafi is now in Algeria.

[Lemon law]

Partly as a news item, it looks like Gadhafi's family and maybe ole Frizi himself crossed the Libyan border into Algeria today. And this is basically confirmed by at least one Algerian spokesman.

http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafis-family-fled-algeria-171810120.html

Since Libyan's and international war crimes courts want to charge Gadhafi and some of his sons, the question is will Algeria turn Gadhafi and son's over to the proper authorities if the proper indictments are presented. Nor does it help that the African Union has failed to thus far condemn Gadhafi.

It should be interesting to watch the international pressure ramp up on the Algerians.

 

[Genx87]

And if they dont turn him over? Then what?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Yet the Arab League was the one that requested intervention in getting him out.

You would think that the League would at least step up again when it is politically convenient to hit a man when he is down.

 

[randomrogue]

I think the best part of this story is that CNN mentioned where Algeria is in their cover line:

Moammar Gadhafi's wife Safia (above), along with three of his children, are in Algeria, the Algerian state press agency said today. Algeria neighbors Libya to the west.

I wonder if those same people know where Libya itself is.

 

[Lemon law]

Yet the Arab League was the one that requested intervention in getting him out.

You would think that the League would at least step up again when it is politically convenient to hit a man when he is down.

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I have a question regarding EK's reading comprehension. You can double check my post, I clearly said the African Union which is quite different organization than the Arab League.

But the Arab League sided with removing Gadhifi, they may have been working to get him diplomatic asylum to end the bloodshed while the war was raging, but once the war ended
with Gadhifi forces kaput, offers of that type totally expire.

Nor do international war crimes charges constitute hitting a man while he is down, its the price one pays for violating international law while they were up.

 

[Ausm]

And if they dont turn him over? Then what?

Cheney will come out of his "undisclosed" bunker and demand we bomb him!

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing to say about this thread, is that Gadhifi's family has been in Algeria less than 24 hours, yet people are already making all kinds of Statements about what Algeria and the international community will do.

When it always takes time and diplomacy. But people seeming want instant gratification and instant answers to such international problems.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Yet the Arab League was the one that requested intervention in getting him out.

You would think that the League would at least step up again when it is politically convenient to hit a man when he is down.

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I have a question regarding EK's reading comprehension. You can double check my post, I clearly said the African Union which is quite different organization than the Arab League.

But the Arab League sided with removing Gadhifi, they may have been working to get him diplomatic asylum to end the bloodshed while the war was raging, but once the war ended
with Gadhifi forces kaput, offers of that type totally expire.

Nor do international war crimes charges constitute hitting a man while he is down, its the price one pays for violating international law while they were up.

Comprehension was there.
What the African Union might have to do with Libya, I have never heard of or what power politically they may wield???

I do know that is was the Arab League that requested UN (passed request/authorization to NATO) intervention in bouncing him; then refused to provide any Arab support to do the dirty deed.

/edit - Added clarification on the step between the Arab League going through the UN to NATO.

 

[IronWing]

He's making his way westward to the krakkenport.

 

[Abwx]

I do know that is was the Arab League that requested NATO intervention in bouncing him; then refused to provide any Arab support to do the dirty deed.

That s outright disinformation.

Tha Arab league did agree for enforcing a non fly zone, that s all.
Indeed, UNO 1973 resolution doesnt stipulate that NATO is allowed
to bomb Lybia , neither that it can deliver weapons to those so called
rebels , hence this organisation is in full breach of international laws.

Indeed , the scum that call themselves "rebels" are no more than
criminals , unable to work and whose life was heavily subsided by
the Khadafi governement.

Think about it : they did receive 50 000$ from public funds when
marrying with about 5000$ subside to buy a car , with
electricity free as well as water that is completely installed
in a country that has not a single river , this with a free
good quality healthcare and no income taxes..

It remain to be seen if once the US led ploutocracy take control
of this nation they will still benefit from the advanced welfare state
they enjoyed.:biggrin:

 

[Abwx]

And if they dont turn him over? Then what?

Then nothing....

 

[Fern]

-snip-

Since Libyan's and international war crimes courts want to charge Gadhafi and some of his sons, the question is will Algeria turn Gadhafi and son's over to the proper authorities if the proper indictments are presented. Nor does it help that the African Union has failed to thus far condemn Gadhafi.

It should be interesting to watch the international pressure ramp up on the Algerians.

I've heard that Algeria is not 'official' part of the treaty for war crimes. (they signed it but didn't ratify or some such technicality).

I think it remains to be seen just how much, and how many, other countries want to see a leader convicted for fighting ARMED protesters in their own country.

Fern

 

[Doppel]

Not sure there is a warrant out for more than him and a son or two, right? But that article says nobody knows where he is. Any country harboring him must without any question whatsoever turn him over or else complete economic lock down by every nation of the UN without question. Immediate and pervasive including freezing all monies outside of that nation.

 

[BarneyFife]

I've heard that Algeria is not 'official' part of the treaty for war crimes. (they signed it but didn't ratify or some such technicality).

I think it remains to be seen just how much, and how many, other countries want to see a leader convicted for fighting ARMED protesters in their own country.

Fern

What do you think would happen if a group of 25000 armed people wanted to overthrow Obama and became violent? Just hand the country over to them? I doubt it. I would bet that the army would be called and they would be called terrorists. I don't think Gadhafi is a good man or anything but I don't think handing over the country to a group of "rebels" is the answer. They already said they won't hand anyone over to the west. So their is one fuck you right there.

 

[Doppel]

What do you think would happen if a group of 25000 armed people wanted to overthrow Obama and became violent? Just hand the country over to them? I doubt it. I would bet that the army would be called and they would be called terrorists. I don't think Gadhafi is a good man or anything but I don't think handing over the country to a group of "rebels" is the answer. They already said they won't hand anyone over to the west. So their is one fuck you right there.

What if instead of 25,000 it was 1M? What if it were 200M? What if 300 million people all marched and supported the uprising? There is no hard and fast rule delineating a separation of minority brutes and thugs from a genuine popular uprising that most of the population is behind but heretofore unable to partake in due to violent oppression.

I don't have a clue what percentage of Libya is behind the rebels, but I strongly suspect it's a majority.

 

[werepossum]

What if instead of 25,000 it was 1M? What if it were 200M? What if 300 million people all marched and supported the uprising? There is no hard and fast rule delineating a separation of minority brutes and thugs from a genuine popular uprising that most of the population is behind but heretofore unable to partake in due to violent oppression.

I don't have a clue what percentage of Libya is behind the rebels, but I strongly suspect it's a majority.

This.

I don't particularly care if Algeria hands him over or not. If he's there, he's out of power, and that's a good thing. How good remains to be seen, but worst case is another West-hating dictator with a less firm grip on the reins and sure knowledge that rebels with the help of the West can overthrow a dictator.

 

[werepossum]

That s outright disinformation.

Tha Arab league did agree for enforcing a non fly zone, that s all.
Indeed, UNO 1973 resolution doesnt stipulate that NATO is allowed
to bomb Lybia , neither that it can deliver weapons to those so called
rebels , hence this organisation is in full breach of international laws.

Indeed , the scum that call themselves "rebels" are no more than
criminals , unable to work and whose life was heavily subsided by
the Khadafi governement.

Think about it : they did receive 50 000$ from public funds when
marrying with about 5000$ subside to buy a car , with
electricity free as well as water that is completely installed
in a country that has not a single river , this with a free
good quality healthcare and no income taxes..

It remain to be seen if once the US led ploutocracy take control
of this nation they will still benefit from the advanced welfare state
they enjoyed.:biggrin:

Not everyone aspires to be on welfare. Even really good welfare. Even with free health care.

 

[bfdd]

Yet the Arab League was the one that requested intervention in getting him out.

You would think that the League would at least step up again when it is politically convenient to hit a man when he is down.

And then they pulled support before anything happened. lols, pretty easy to guess why.

The African Union was never fully behind it either. Gaddaffi brought in money to Africa, why would they want to condemn him?

 

[Abwx]

Not everyone aspires to be on welfare. Even really good welfare. Even with free health care.

They can create businesses and pay no taxes, yet , the bunch
that call itself rebels are the kind that wanted to live the easy
way , with traffics of all kind and swindling.

It s no wonder that so many foreign workers did work in Lybia
since a part of its citizenry is just good for being pushed in a trash bin,
yet , the west now see these thugs as freedom fighters while
in fact they are fighting to loot whatever will by on hand reach.

 

[Abwx]

I don't have a clue what percentage of Libya is behind the rebels, but I strongly suspect it's a majority.

They are a very tiny minority , prove is that they dont manage
to control the country while they have very heavy air bombing
support against a legal army that is very small in numbers and
whose weaponry has been almost completely destroyed.

The medias are spreading hoaxes as Nato illegal reading of the
uno resolution end in september, so they desesperatly need
the world to recognize this terrorist regime before they will
be on obligation to stop this campaign..

 

[bfdd]

The rebels are a minority, that's true. I remember they were saying something like less than 40% of the population of Libya supports the rebels a couple weeks ago. Could have something to do with the fact there are a lot of Islamists in the rebellion ranks and most Libyans don't really support Islamification?

 

[Doppel]

They are a very tiny minority , prove is that they dont manage
to control the country while they have very heavy air bombing

That proves nothing except that they were against an entrenched sovereign military operating next to a petrified populous.

Proof would be if the now rebel-held towns are having substantial resistance pop up from locals who do not recognize them. Is this happening? Not in any great amount I've read about.

 

[Abwx]

The rebels are a minority, that's true. I remember they were saying something like less than 40% of the population of Libya supports the rebels a couple weeks ago. Could have something to do with the fact there are a lot of Islamists in the rebellion ranks and most Libyans don't really support Islamification?

People in Lybia are critical of Khadafi , that s why they have sympathy
for revolts, but then, it s the worst part of the country that took arms,
so in a way, how could they support people who are known to be the
usual thugs, drug dealers , traffickers , fake religious and any other violent people ?..

Why didn t the media show that almost 95% of Tripoli s adult people
did manifest to support Khadafi ?..

Indeed, the awaking will be brutal, as Khadafi , although being lunatic,
is not corrupted , and ironicaly, the same lybian politicians that are
currently betraying him were the same that did refuse two years ago
his proposition to redistribute directly to each citizen the oil revenues
and to proceed to vast political reforms.

 

[bfdd]

Abwx, they're the same people he's been fighting with moral backing from the West since 08.

 

[Abwx]

Proof would be if the now rebel-held towns are having substantial resistance pop up from locals who do not recognize them. Is this happening? Not in any great amount I've read about.

Breaching the UNO resolutions, NATO has troops on the ground
that must direct the planes bombings, so if citizenry is to resist
the terrorists , they will be inevitably bombed under the pretense
that they are in fact Khadafi s loyalists...

Such is the cynism of the NATO nations that are participating
to these war crimes.