gah I hate paying % of my restaurant bill for healthcare of the waitstaff.

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monkeydelmagico

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To try to classify these as the same thing shows how little you really understand about the entire tax structure, or why taxes are so blatantly skewed to reward the poor.

To try and overcomplicate the word TAX and equate it to some kind of "reward" when the basis of of all tax is earnings shows how far up you own ass your head is.
 

Specop 007

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To try and overcomplicate the word TAX and equate it to some kind of "reward" when the basis of of all tax is earnings shows how far up you own ass your head is.

Wait, you think *I* am overcomplicating the word tax? I've just soundly proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, you are trying to ignore the fact the tax system truly is a reward to a good number of people in this country and you simply ignore that and blindly move on, and then call ME the "head in ass" person here?

Thats fucking rich. It really is. Its plainly simple to anyone who has even the most basic of understanding that many people in this country really do get money for nothing. The fafct you completely ignore this point is very telling. You are one of those who simply ignores any facts which dont align with your misconceptions int he world arent you?
 

Dr. Detroit

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That's insanely stupid.

How is 2% of a 10 dollar meal anything near the same as 2% of your income?

SF Minimum wage is $10.74/hr for 2014.

Most restaurants do not add this a as a line on the receipt - most just bury it in the increased food/beverage prices.
 

Phokus

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That's insanely stupid.

How is 2% of a 10 dollar meal anything near the same as 2% of your income?

It's HACP, he's the same guy who stole his roommate's organic ice cream, then tried to cover it up by washing the container with bleach and replacing it with cheap ice cream. He's your typical douchebag idiot convservative.
 

Jeff7

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Jeff, while I don't disagree with your examples, you could have mentioned the $10B we lost to GM or the $$ that fell into the Fanny, Freddie black hole. Or the economic payoff...er...stimulus plan with shovel ready jobs.
Yes, there were many to choose from. Far too many.

"You severely damaged the economy with your shady dealings. Here's a few hundred billion dollars. Now don't do it again."

That'll teach 'em.





The problem Jeff is you have this idea because YOU can afford to pay more, everyone can. So you project your situation on everybody around you and then want to force others to pay more on account of the fact that they worked hard to make more.

Some people get paid a hell of a lot, but simply cant afford the higher taxes. Some people get paid a hell of a lot and dont want the "fruit of their labor" so to speak to be stolen from them via taxation for feel good measures.
What are they doing that they can't afford those higher taxes? If those higher taxes are really that godawful, there are lots of low-paying jobs available. They could take one of those and enjoy the lower tax brackets. But they don't. They just complain about how horrible the taxes are.



But sadly the world really is simple enough to say "get a better job". Theres a reason a person makes minimum wage. Its not because a 6 figure job hasnt landed in their lap, its because they simply arent skilled enough to warrant that level of pay. But theres no shortage of good paying jobs for those who are smart enough, hard working enough and motivated enough to get get them. To assume someone is stuck in a minimum wage job through no fault of their own is being pretty dishonest to the facts of the situation.
This also assumes a level playing field, something which is often riled against as "socialist." Good jobs often come through social connections. Who know, not what you know, or how good you are at doing a job. And you're likely to be friends with people in your own socioeconomic bubble.

And no doubt, some people are indeed in lousy jobs because they just don't give a damn. They don't want to be at work on time, they don't want to do the job they're being paid to do. For them, that's what they get, that's all the better they want to do, so that's where they stay.

Some people are stuck in those jobs because of a bad decision or two, and now are bound by that path, unable to pull themselves out because of ongoing obligations. The path to redemption or self-improvement becomes inaccessible as a result. Shouldn't those who genuinely want to do better, and are willing to work for it, be offered a helping hand now and then? If they can be elevated to a point where they're more valuable to society as a result, the debt automatically repays itself.



So why do we assume because someone who has managed to do well for themselves somehow owes the low wage workers something?
My assumption is that someone who can do very well for themselves owes something back to the society which facilitated their success, and which continues to permit them access to their better standard of living. Someone who owns a successful business owes that success to their customers, and certainly to their own employees as well, who help ensure that those customers keep coming back. But without the infrastructure, and the collective of everyone around them, wealthy or simply well-off people wouldn't have gotten as far as they did.

I got through college on student loans and grants. The grants were simply that: Granted money. The interest on the loans was government-paid while I was attending classes. The idea is that those things are awarded to candidates who appear promising, and will be able to repay society by doing something useful and productive in their careers. Some of that comes in the form of more tax revenue from higher earners. And some of that comes in the form of someone adding a little something of value to the country, and that can help improve the standard of living for everyone.
 
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Fritzo

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This is not a joke. In SF, they actually passed an ordinance a while back that your bill is automatically added a few percents to pay for the waitstaff's health insurance (2-3%). I repeat, this is not a joke.

And, it's mostly a scam, because the restaurants then end up pocketing the money that they're supposed to buy healthcare for the employees.

Most of the people of SF actually voted for it (yes, the "smart city" statistic is a damn lie). And this is why democracy doesn't work, kids.

So for a $10 lunch, you're paying a whole .30? Hope that doesn't break you
 

Specop 007

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What are they doing that they can't afford those higher taxes? If those higher taxes are really that godawful, there are lots of low-paying jobs available. They could take one of those and enjoy the lower tax brackets. But they don't. They just complain about how horrible the taxes are.

Which undermines everything the country was founded on. Work hard, move up, enjoy a higher standard of living. Your entire argument focuses on if someone doesnt want to pay higher taxes they shouldnt work hard, rather than focusing on the fact its horribly unfair to tell someone who has worked hard they somehow have to have more of their money taken from them.

This also assumes a level playing field, something which is often riled against as "socialist." Good jobs often come through social connections. Who know, not what you know, or how good you are at doing a job. And you're likely to be friends with people in your own socioeconomic bubble.

And no doubt, some people are indeed in lousy jobs because they just don't give a damn. They don't want to be at work on time, they don't want to do the job they're being paid to do. For them, that's what they get, that's all the better they want to do, so that's where they stay.

Some people are stuck in those jobs because of a bad decision or two, and now are bound by that path, unable to pull themselves out because of ongoing obligations. The path to redemption or self-improvement becomes inaccessible as a result. Shouldn't those who genuinely want to do better, and are willing to work for it, be offered a helping hand now and then? If they can be elevated to a point where they're more valuable to society as a result, the debt automatically repays itself.

The playing field is, by and large, quite even. Sure theres instances of "who you know", but there are also a hell of a lot more examples of "grab bootstraps and pull" as well. You cant use only examples of good connections to justify your position the game is rigged without acknowledging that there are more examples of simple hard work leading to success than there is of just having good connections. Do you really think every college graduate who goes out and gets a good career accomplished that solely because they know people? All the millions of them?

So the fact is the playing field, for all but a small small handful, is actually so level that many misinterpret it as being somehow rigged. No, the playing field is level and harsh and unforgiving. But those who really want to have a better live can certainly do so, short of the small handful of cases involving serious medical bills.

My assumption is that someone who can do very well for themselves owes something back to the society which facilitated their success, and which continues to permit them access to their better standard of living. Someone who owns a successful business owes that success to their customers, and certainly to their own employees as well, who help ensure that those customers keep coming back. But without the infrastructure, and the collective of everyone around them, wealthy or simply well-off people wouldn't have gotten as far as they did.

I got through college on student loans and grants. The grants were simply that: Granted money. The interest on the loans was government-paid while I was attending classes. The idea is that those things are awarded to candidates who appear promising, and will be able to repay society by doing something useful and productive in their careers. Some of that comes in the form of more tax revenue from higher earners. And some of that comes in the form of someone adding a little something of value to the country, and that can help improve the standard of living for everyone.

The problem is when you say a successful person owes something back to society which made him successful you are undermining all of the hard work that individual did. You make it sound like their success had nothing to do with their own hard work or vision, but was just a random set of events that happened to favor them.

The fact is, as above, everyone can go to college. Anyone with a pulse can get student loans. So your circumstances are nothing extraordinary. You simply took advantage of all the open doors that existed, and by and large anyone else could as well provided they had the motivation and intellect to do so. But to think that because you are more motivated than another that you somehow owe something back to society is simply ridiculous.
 
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marvdmartian

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Isn't San Francisco the same city that:
1. Sent Nancy Pelosi to the House of Representatives....repeatedly??
2. Voted nutjob Diane Feinstein in as a city council member? Oh well, at least they were smart enough NOT to vote her in as mayor! Still, I wonder how complicit she might have been, with the murder of Mosconi and Milk?? :hmm:

Oh yeah, SF is some real geniuses, when it comes to voting! :whiste:
 

drebo

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I would lower my tip by double that percentage and write on the receipt why I did.
 

shadow9d9

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Wait, you think *I* am overcomplicating the word tax? I've just soundly proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, you are trying to ignore the fact the tax system truly is a reward to a good number of people in this country and you simply ignore that and blindly move on, and then call ME the "head in ass" person here?

Thats fucking rich. It really is. Its plainly simple to anyone who has even the most basic of understanding that many people in this country really do get money for nothing. The fafct you completely ignore this point is very telling. You are one of those who simply ignores any facts which dont align with your misconceptions int he world arent you?

Yes, corporations and the military machine get an insane amount of our money for nothing. That is life.
 
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