Galaxy Note 7

[Commodus]

Hell... other than the speakers (I'll never care about speakers on a phone as if there was any universe in which that would sound like anything worth listening to) if that existed, I'd own one.

Instead Google made what looks like Barbie's play phone from 2013.

And the s-pen is the only game in town. Makes me wonder would it be that hard for Microsoft to make a Surface phone? Or Apple to make a smaller phone sized version of the pencil. Eh... that'd take some actual innovation which appears to be passé in 2016.

I don't know that a Surface phone would succeed. The problem, simply speaking, is that Windows on phones is rapidly approaching BlackBerry levels of irrelevance. Microsoft can't just have a competitive phone if it wants to revive interest in Windows 10 Mobile -- it has to have a clear advantage over other devices, and I don't just mean Continuum support. And while the Surface Pro / Surface Book are both good machines, I don't think their success will automatically rub off on a phone.

 

[Kazukian]

I don't know that a Surface phone would succeed. The problem, simply speaking, is that Windows on phones is rapidly approaching BlackBerry levels of irrelevance. Microsoft can't just have a competitive phone if it wants to revive interest in Windows 10 Mobile -- it has to have a clear advantage over other devices, and I don't just mean Continuum support. And while the Surface Pro / Surface Book are both good machines, I don't think their success will automatically rub off on a phone.

The Elite X3 by HP should be a prototype for any future MS OS'd phones. Sell the phones by themselves, but require a USB C connector, and 3rd party or source the hardware to make them laptop/tablet and desktop replacements.

 

[badb0y]

What was I just saying about people on a tech forum supposedly being smarter than this type of nonsense?

Man, people are dumb.

I guess you know more than Samsung engineers. All of us are dumb except you and Raduque. I'm glad your actually going down with the ship though. Fanboys till the end even if it blows up on your face - literally.

 

[Raduque]

I guess you know more than Samsung engineers. All of us are dumb except you and Raduque. I'm glad your actually going down with the ship though. Fanboys till the end even if it blows up on your face - literally.

Because "Samsung engineers" have actually come out and said the device was a replacement device? Oh wait, they don't even have it in-hand.

All Zaap is saying is that tech-minded people (and if you're on Anandtech, you should be tech-minded) should be less gullible and more skeptical, especially with the way the mainstream media has been handling this. I mean a Galaxy Core Prime charging on a $2 gas station charger with a likely abused battery being reported as "Galaxy Note 7 explodes"? Seriously?

 

[Zaap]

Exactly. And its really silly to purposefully mix up the original recalled note 7's with the replacements. The original wasn't some random voodoo. It was a known issue.

Unless you can point to a known issue with the replacement notes that's documented and therefore is a known flaw with the replacements, its acting a bit like a mindless lemming to act as if it's all just the same thing.

Another iPhone 6 blew up on a plane yesterday. Should all iPhone 6 owners panic and act stupid? (And BTW quoting the age of the device is a bit silly since anyone else's iPhone x would be the same vintage- therefore a known problem would be a known problem regardless if it manifests when the device is a year old or a month old.

But of course unless there's a KNOWN problem, its silly to act like s clueless lemming over it.

 

[Kazukian]

Story about the replacement Note 7 fire in Taiwan in English, Taiwan's equivalent of the CPSC has asked Samsung to suspend sales.

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201610080009.aspx

Android Police says don't buy and if you have, return it, even if it's only because resale value will suffer.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...t-for-now-returning-yours-is-a-good-idea-too/

BGR says don't buy and return if you have

http://bgr.com/2016/10/06/galaxy-note-7-fire-airplane-replacement-phone-rip/

The Verge says Samsung needs to kill the model

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13198682/samsung-galaxy-note-7-dumpster-fire

Even if Samsung doesn't stop production, resale value will suffer, and Samsung will orphan the phone as quickly as they can.

 

[badb0y]

All US carriers are offering a chance to return the Note 7 and get another phone. The problem with the Note 7 is even if a phone explodes randomly due to chance going forward, everyone has there eyes on the phone and they will pick up the story and it will make headlines :-/ .

 

[Mopetar]

Apparently another replacement unit has had battery issues: http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/8/1...te-7-fire-replacement-battery-minnesota-again

I think that if this turns out to be legitimate, it may result in the Note 7 being terminated. As much as this might be a temporary setback, I don't think it will shake up the Android market all that much. Maybe LG gains a bit, but I still think that the next Galaxy line will sell fine. As much as people have been proclaiming doom, none of the various "scandals" ever hurt Apple's sales much if any, so it's suspect to think it will hurt Samsung.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Regarding your numbers. That's 2.5 million phones shipped worldwide (not sold) including China which was supposed to be safe. In 2 weeks, that is like 14 to 20 charge cycles (if every phone was purchased day 1) and 100 caught on fire or exploded.

Iphone fire you linked (Iphone 6 and not 6s or 7 btw), that model has been out for roughly 2 years now and sold orders of magnitude more than 2.5 million units.

So you are comparing 100 plus fires (that we know about) out of a max possible of 2.5 million (being generous) over a course of 2 weeks vs 2 fires (that we know about) out of a possible 320 million (rough estimate) over a course of 2 years.

Why are you posting facts? They hurt so much man.

 

[Kazukian]

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Ni...ung-Galaxy-Note-7-catches-fire-396431431.html

And another one in Kentucky.

Samsung accidentally sent him the wrong text:

Klering says he felt Samsung was helping him, until he got a text message from a Samsung representative that was not intended to go to him.

That message read: Just now got this. I can try and slow him down if we think it will matter, or we just let him do what he keeps threatening to do and see if he does it

 

[mxnerd]

Apparently another replacement unit has had battery issues: http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/8/1...te-7-fire-replacement-battery-minnesota-again

Wow.

Here is the video report.
http://kstp.com/news/samsung-replacement-phone-melted-zuis-farmington/4285759/

Samsung literally sells $800 bombs to its loyal customers.

 

[Crono]

Wow.

Here is the video report.
http://kstp.com/news/samsung-replacement-phone-melted-zuis-farmington/4285759/

Samsung literally sells $800 bombs to its loyal customers.

 

[Kazukian]

It gets better, Samsung knew about the 2nd phone in Kentucky on Tuesday and didn't report it.

They're screwed.

 

[Commodus]

Three replacements catch fire in that space of time? It's still possible that this is a fluke, but it's increasingly looking like Samsung either designed an inherently defective product or bungled the fix.

Either way... somewhere, Achtung is screaming into the void.

 

[Kazukian]

Either way... somewhere, Achtung is screaming into the void.

Ok, I literally LOL'd (or is it figuratively?)

If Samsung didn't report the 2nd unit in Kentucky, can we believe any of the numbers?

I think the reason for the fires is multifactoral, case too thermally efficient, tolerances too tight, the battery's internals shift a bit during the charge cycles, and poorly designed battery.

Reguardless, a second recall is a foregone conclusion now. And the media is going to crucify Samsung.

 

[foghorn67]

When AP and AC says return the damn phone and get another, it's just time to admit that Samsung needs a long hard look at QC, rushing delivery dates and squeezing pennies.
They were sort of going in the right direction. But my first question is their contempt for Google (threatening to go with Tizen) and the Android OS. Google should have never released Motorola. Now we know why they did. Samsung, Sony, etc. protested.
With HTC, Sony and LG missing their sales marks by a country mile, putting all of Android's eggs in one basket is proving to be a turbulent strategy.
I hope Google figures it out via Pixel. Someone needs to push this market hard. Google should have stepped in a while ago.

 

[StrangerGuy]

When AP and AC says return the damn phone and get another, it's just time to admit that Samsung needs a long hard look at QC, rushing delivery dates and squeezing pennies.
They were sort of going in the right direction. But my first question is their contempt for Google (threatening to go with Tizen) and the Android OS. Google should have never released Motorola. Now we know why they did. Samsung, Sony, etc. protested.
With HTC, Sony and LG missing their sales marks by a country mile, putting all of Android's eggs in one basket is proving to be a turbulent strategy.
I hope Google figures it out via Pixel. Someone needs to push this market hard. Google should have stepped in a while ago.

It's OT here, but yeah, as early as 2012 it was already pretty clear no OEM would be able to match Samsung head on. But Google was too busy swimming in ad money to care otherwise until Samsung has become too large for comfort.

Anyway if Note 7 manages to somehow get using any phone banned on flights I'm gonna boycott Samsung out of principle.

 

[golem]

Why are you posting facts? They hurt so much man.

I know, I mean just looking at the time table and the numbers tells you something is seriously wrong with this model.

Just logic alone tells you 100 and growing incidents in a smaller population of phones over a much more compressed time period isn't comparable to much fewer incidents, over a much larger population over much larger time period. And these differences aren't small either, they are pretty damn big.

 

[gus6464]

Man o man they are going to be sued to oblivion. Having a replacement unit right now is basically having a winning lottery ticket.

 

[nvgpu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKk74wDg2as

Just now got this. I can try and slow him down if we think it will matter, or we just let him do what he keeps threatening to do and see if he does it

Wow, this company is beyond shameless in their damage control attempts.

 

[Kazukian]

I blew off reports of the S7 fires, now I'm starting to wonder: http://www.androidguys.com/2016/09/...-the-samsung-galaxy-s7-catching-fire-as-well/

https://www.classaction.com/news/exploding-galaxy-edge-s7-causes-3rd-degree-burns-man/

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Serves Samsung right for sealing the battery in. Much cheaper to send battery packs out.

 

[Commodus]

Ok, I literally LOL'd (or is it figuratively?)

If Samsung didn't report the 2nd unit in Kentucky, can we believe any of the numbers?

I think the reason for the fires is multifactoral, case too thermally efficient, tolerances too tight, the battery's internals shift a bit during the charge cycles, and poorly designed battery.

Reguardless, a second recall is a foregone conclusion now. And the media is going to crucify Samsung.

That's how Bloomberg described it... Samsung was determined to fit the largest-capacity battery it could, but it might have been too much for the space allowed.

If so, I could see Samsung maybe trying a second recall and substituting a lower-capacity battery. However, if this is really as bad as it sounds, it's a big black eye. Samsung might have to discontinue the Note 7 outright, even if there's a guaranteed solution -- the phone's reputation could be beyond repair. And of course, this is a huge unintentional gift to Apple. Many customers will see the iPhone 7 Plus as their main alternative, and may be soured on Samsung as a whole.

 

[Kazukian]

That's how Bloomberg described it... Samsung was determined to fit the largest-capacity battery it could, but it might have been too much for the space allowed.

If so, I could see Samsung maybe trying a second recall and substituting a lower-capacity battery. However, if this is really as bad as it sounds, it's a big black eye. Samsung might have to discontinue the Note 7 outright, even if there's a guaranteed solution -- the phone's reputation could be beyond repair. And of course, this is a huge unintentional gift to Apple. Many customers will see the iPhone 7 Plus as their main alternative, and may be soured on Samsung as a whole.

They've always been a "fast follower" and with the last generations, IMHO, knocked it out of the park by innovating. They should be able to produce a Note 8 in a couple of months.

 

[linkgoron]

Serves Samsung right for sealing the battery in. Much cheaper to send battery packs out.

Obviously the people that got literally burned deserved it as well. Basically everyone is sealing the battery these days.

And of course, this is a huge unintentional gift to Apple. Many customers will see the iPhone 7 Plus as their main alternative, and may be soured on Samsung as a whole.

For some reason, non-techie people around me have been impressed by the "Google iPhone competitor", so maybe it'll push people to the Pixel XL.

Anyway, hopefully there isn't any inherent flaw in the Note 7 phones. That would be a huge disaster for Samsung, and also would just be disappointing in general for the mobile industry. A second recall (if indeed that's the case) would kill the Note 7 (and rightfully so) and tarnish the Samsung name (again, rightfully so).

They've always been a "fast follower" and with the last generations, IMHO, knocked it out of the park by innovating. They should be able to produce a Note 8 in a couple of months.

Galaxy Note 7 SE (safe edition)