Galaxy Note 7

[Kazukian]

All phones do this. The spotlight is on the Note 7 specifically, and Samsung in general. This happens all the time, but because it's a Note 7, it's going to be blown way the fuck out of proportion.

Buncha haters in this thread.

If you'll read this thread, I've said good things about the Note 7, and planned to buy one, I've had a Note 1, 2, 3, and 4.

I've called it "the best phone on the market" in this thread, multiple times.

Samsung has a design problem with the 7.

 

[Raduque]

All phones explode? What?

You must not know much about lithium batteries.

 

[Kazukian]

You must not know much about lithium batteries.

How many need to catch fire before you consider it a problem?

The potential liability Samsung is looking at is massive.

 

[Raduque]

How many need to catch fire before you consider it a problem?

The potential liability Samsung is looking at is massive.

How many phones, period, need to catch fire before people realize it's the inherent nature of lithium batteries? They are, at best a mostly-stable technology. We are not now, and won't be for years, at a point where lithium technology is 100% stable and will not catch fire.

 

[Commodus]

Folks: it's true that lithium-ion batteries always carry that risk of catching fire. It's just that it's normally very slim and typically requires roughing it up.

Right now, it's hard to say whether or not the Southwest fire is part of that inescapable risk or a sign that Samsung hasn't really fixed the problem. If it's the former, that's one thing... if it's the latter, Samsung is screwed. And like it or not, the truth may not matter much in the public eye. If everyday customers think that Note 7s are inherently explosive, they're going to steer clear no matter how unlikely a fire might be.

 

[Kazukian]

How many phones, period, need to catch fire before people realize it's the inherent nature of lithium batteries? They are, at best a mostly-stable technology. We are not now, and won't be for years, at a point where lithium technology is 100% stable and will not catch fire.

No, how many Note 7's catching fire will it take for you to admit there's a problem with Note 7's?

There have been nearly 100 worldwide catch fire so far, for a new phone, that's statistically significant.

Or do you think Samsung willingly blows 2 billion dollars over nothing?

 

[FIVR]

The Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is a high performance precision engineered device teetering on the razor's edge between absolute extreme performance and fiery destruction. It's not some fancy-shmancy rounded rectangle with no headphone jacks or ports or SD cards that barely clocks to 2Ghz and has a UI designed for 17 year old hipsters with neck tattoos and ironic von dutch trucker hats. This is a device designed for a consumer who will only accept the absolute best performance and technology. If you expect it to act like an iPhone and not endanger you belongings or your person, you're going to have a bad time.

Just like a jet fighter pilot, or race car driver, or any other profession that requires an elite skill set, the samsung Note 7 consumer is uniquely equipped to deal with the extreme nature of the performance of his device. He accepts the danger, and doesn't post about it on forums or denigrate the Note 7 brand verbally to friends, instead he stoically endures the prospect of his own imminent destruction at the hands of his chosen calling.

 

[Zaap]

No, how many Note 7's catching fire will it take for you to admit there's a problem with Note 7's?

There have been nearly 100 worldwide catch fire so far, for a new phone, that's statistically significant.

Or do you think Samsung willingly blows 2 billion dollars over nothing?

Is there any evidence the Note 7 is some special design that's different from all other smartphones with lithium batteries? If so, what is the evidence? I'm sure someone has done a teardown- did they find a little ticking countdown clock inside, strapped to tiny sticks of red TNT?

We know the reason for the original Note 7 fires- defective batteries. Not magic elves, tiny ticking bombs inside, or some radical design that's completely different from all other smartphones.

I can see the general public being complete morons, but tech-minded people should know better.

I think right in this very thread, someone posted an article about an exploding iPhone 7. You can find examples probably of every smartphone model there is catching fire. The N7 is under the microscope though, and any instance of it is going to be much more widely scrutinized.

Unless there's some evidence that says the current Note 7 has some battery flaw- there's really nothing more than people being idiots to believe there's any real problem with the Note 7 itself, as though it strays from all known smartphone design currently. I would think most tech-minded people are smart enough to realize most things happen for a REASON, not "just because!"

There was an actual REASON for the original Note 7 problem. Unless there's one identified for the replacements, then to fear your N7 blowing up, simply because it's a Note 7- with no evidence that it's a widespread problem, one just has to be a bit simple minded.

 

[Kazukian]

That's not an answer, how many?

Here's the box the iPhone 7 that caught fire was delivered in:

One iPhone damaged in shipping (repackaged in a crappy AT&T shipping box, BTW) versus 100 note 7's that caught fire.

 

[Raduque]

No, how many Note 7's catching fire will it take for you to admit there's a problem with Note 7's?

There have been nearly 100 worldwide catch fire so far, for a new phone, that's statistically significant.

Or do you think Samsung willingly blows 2 billion dollars over nothing?

100 out of 2 million is what percentage again? .05? No, that's A THOUSAND. .005 is getting closer.

Though it's difficult at best to filter through the nonsense, it seems like there are about a dozen cellphone battery fires a year. Yes, there were more Note 7 battery fires than all phones, the past several years, but as was mentioned those were defective batteries.

How many replacement Note 7's are now in EU hands? About a million, maybe? And so far, we have an unconfirmed report that one has started a fire.

Additionally, in 2006, Dell recalled 4.1 million laptop batteries, or almost twice as many as was even MADE of the Note 7.

Oh yes, and the last phone to "explode" on a flight before the alleged Note 7 fire, was an iPhone, back in March.

There was an actual REASON for the original Note 7 problem. Unless there's one identified for the replacements, then to fear your N7 blowing up, simply because it's a Note 7- with no evidence that it's a widespread problem, one just has to be a bit simple minded.

Sadly most people are that simple minded.

 

[Zaap]

One iPhone damaged in shipping (repackaged in a crappy AT&T shipping box, BTW) versus 100 note 7's that caught fire.

Once again, being purposefully simple-minded doesn't change anything.

It's not 100 Note 7's replacements, it's 100 Note 7's with a KNOWN PROBLEM.

Tech-minded people aren't supposed to act like tech-simpletons who believe in 'voo-doo'.

 

[Raduque]

Once again, being purposefully simple-minded doesn't change anything.

It's not 100 Note 7's replacements, it's 100 Note 7's with a KNOWN PROBLEM.

Tech-minded people aren't supposed to act like tech-simpletons who believe in 'voo-doo'.

He doesn't seem very techminded, and doesn't seem to know much about lithium batteries, really.

 

[Kazukian]

Evidently the CPSC is all over the new fire.

And to be fair, as far as I know, the Note 7 in the last fire may we'll have been damaged after the owner took possession of it.

I have 2 electric skateboards, and 2 electric bicycles and hang out at Endless Sphere forums, but yeah I'm pretty ignorant... ever seen the big lithium batteries go? It's impressive, thank goodness I have you guys to put me in my place. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/

 

[Raduque]

Evidently the CPSC is all over the new fire.

Link? Can't see that anywhere.

 

[Kazukian]

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/5/1...re-replacement-plane-investigation-regulators

Imagine one catching fire in a Gear VR headset.

 

[Raduque]

Oh yes, iVerge. The only "source" so far for this. Literally everybody else is pulling the info on this from iVerge, sometimes verbatim.

 

[Kazukian]

Well, I guess I'm out till the next fire

Here's a non iVerge source, just for you http://www.wave3.com/story/33325627...wner-describes-phone-fire-on-southwest-flight

 

[Raduque]

It's still one isolated incident. Every non-defective phone model has at least one.

 

[Kazukian]

It's still one isolated incident. Every non-defective phone model has at least one.

So after 3, you'll give me an apology? Not that you don't owe me one already.

 

[mxnerd]

Don't understand why someone would defend a defective product that probably would cause big damage so avidly.

 

[Kazukian]

Don't understand why someone would defend a defective product that probably would cause big damage so avidly.

Especially when there's a good chance of being proven very wrong.

 

[foghorn67]

If Samsung gives an excuse for the FAA to ban the use of phones and tablets on flights, they will loose me as a customer forever.

 

[Zaap]

I don't understand why people on a tech forum can behave like clueless lemmings.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ne-hawaii-washington-anna-crail-a6944416.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/iphone-4-explodes-midflight-on-
australian-airline/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8927926/Second-iPhone-explodes.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/291864/iphone-5-catches-fire-mid-flight-causes-emergency-evacuation/

http://abc13.com/news/students-iphone-explodes-in-his-back-pocket-catches-fire-/1535128/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/exploding-smartphones-why-your-electronics-might-catch-fire

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...explodes-during-phone-call-in-thailand-344004

http://wccftech.com/apple-products-air-incidents-week-start-fire-plane-drop-5000-feet/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25733142

 

[o306]

Don't understand why someone would defend a defective product that probably would cause big damage so avidly.

You always have people who defend corporations and bad products with their last dying breath, even if their last breath is caused by the product itself.

Has something to do with low self-esteem and poor self-image. You end up deifying someone or something else and it makes you feel powerful and relief your own self-hatred for a brief moment. But I'm no psychologist, just a philosopher.


People were tripping all over themselves to defend Samsung before the first Note 7 recall.

"People are using fake cables they bought from Amazon!"

"People are lying, making it up, because they are Apple fanatics!"

"People don't know how to use a charger properly!"

"It didn't happen to me or anyone I know so it's not happening!"

"Obama did it!"

"Those losers who want replaceable batteries will do anything to hurt Samsung!"

etc. etc.

Maybe there is no problem with the "fixed" Note 7, but it will be hilarious if it gets recalled again, because the people who defend bad products never come back and say they were wrong.

It is OK for the defenders to come up with all types of crazy speculation about what is really causing the problem, but it is a crime for anyone to speculate about actual reports or evidence of a problem.

I don't think it is crazy if people are wondering whether the problem has truly been fixed. If I take my car to a mechanic to fix a problem and it comes back broken, I may speculate about whether the problem gets fixed when he repairs it the second time. Reasonable thought process to me.

 

[o306]

I don't understand why people on a tech forum can behave like clueless lemmings.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ne-hawaii-washington-anna-crail-a6944416.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/iphone-4-explodes-midflight-on-
australian-airline/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8927926/Second-iPhone-explodes.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/291864/iphone-5-catches-fire-mid-flight-causes-emergency-evacuation/

http://abc13.com/news/students-iphone-explodes-in-his-back-pocket-catches-fire-/1535128/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/exploding-smartphones-why-your-electronics-might-catch-fire

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...explodes-during-phone-call-in-thailand-344004

http://wccftech.com/apple-products-air-incidents-week-start-fire-plane-drop-5000-feet/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25733142

I looked at a few but not all of your links.

iPhone 6 explosion - article dated 21 March 2016

The iPhone 6 came out in 2014. One or two cases of 2 year old batteries failing is not like the Note 7 incident.

iPhone 5 explosion - article dated AUGUST 18, 2014

iPhone 5 came out in 2012. Once again, a 2 year old lithium battery failing is nothing like the Note 7 incidient.