Galaxy Note 7

[Zaap]

http://www.channelnews.com.au/iphone-7-explosion-triggers-apple-investigation/

I think it's just time to recall ALL smartphones. Clearly they're all just too dangerous.

Well considering they have a couple million now at their disposal to test, they need to figure it out.

Think about that- millions of Note 7's all gathered together somewhere. Many of those, and the who-even-knows-how many still in the hands of owners- should be exploding left and right. Every day there should be a new Note 7 fire reported still- after all, whatever defect doesn't know there's been a recall...

... and yet, nada.

 

[santz]

this whole thing could be a marketing stunt by samsung to promote their upcoming S8. I will show myself out....

 

[Commodus]

Think about that- millions of Note 7's all gathered together somewhere. Many of those, and the who-even-knows-how many still in the hands of owners- should be exploding left and right. Every day there should be a new Note 7 fire reported still- after all, whatever defect doesn't know there's been a recall...

... and yet, nada.

Well, those that have been recalled (again) are in fireproof boxes or otherwise safe environments, so that should be a non-issue. As for people who haven't turned theirs in yet? It may be a case of "dog bites man" versus the earlier "man bites dog" news. Samsung knows it's a fire hazard, so a Note 7 igniting is not only a non-story, it says bad things about the owner (since they should have turned it in by now).

 

[Commodus]

It's not confirmed (despite quoting a purported company source), but it sounds like executive heads will roll in a big way as a result of the Note 7 fiasco: up to 20 percent of upper management would be gone.

Which, frankly, sounds like it was necessary. If you believe the Bloomberg insider account, Samsung was in even more of a "must beat Apple" mode than usual, and knowingly compromised quality to ship the phone when it did. And as the recall showed, the company was more concerned with getting the phone back on sale than actually fixing the problem. That's short-sighted thinking that has no place in management.

 

[Oyeve]

It's not confirmed (despite quoting a purported company source), but it sounds like executive heads will roll in a big way as a result of the Note 7 fiasco: up to 20 percent of upper management would be gone.

Which, frankly, sounds like it was necessary. If you believe the Bloomberg insider account, Samsung was in even more of a "must beat Apple" mode than usual, and knowingly compromised quality to ship the phone when it did. And as the recall showed, the company was more concerned with getting the phone back on sale than actually fixing the problem. That's short-sighted thinking that has no place in management.

Yep. And it's not like they had much to worry about as the iPhone 7 is mediocre at best. Sammy should skip a year and regroup for when the iPhone 8 gets released and try to one up that.

 

[Commodus]

Yep. And it's not like they had much to worry about as the iPhone 7 is mediocre at best. Sammy should skip a year and regroup for when the iPhone 8 gets released and try to one up that.

Well, I wouldn't call the iPhone 7 mediocre, just... competent. Great camera, longer battery life, water resistance... it's a solid upgrade if you're coming from a 6 or earlier, but not much more than that. The dual camera on the 7 Plus is the main stand-out feature.

I wonder if Samsung didn't shoot itself in the foot in the long term. The S8 could go a long way toward easing concerns if it works out well, but there could be that lingering doubt that creates prime conditions for the iPhone 8 launch. I suspect Samsung will really, really have to up its game (such as no-compromise 4K displays) if it's going to make people treat the Note 7 as a historical footnote.

 

[Zaap]

It's sad for the smartphone world how its never Apple that has to 'up its game'... just produce mediocre, iterative, ho-hum stuff where the main 'innovation' is removed features. And yet they can bank on selling gazillions because everyone else drops the ball (Samsung is leagues more innovative but basically shot themselves with the whole Note 7 fiasco) and Google just bored the pants off anyone who was looking for something with forward thinking design. (But hey, as a SOLID 2013 design, they're all over it.)

Its just a stagnant market again even after the latest flagship trot out, so winning by being the last snorefest standing is a great thing... I guess.

 

[Kazukian]

Zapp, what do you want from your phone? You sound very unhappy.

 

[aigomorla]

unless you have absolutely nothing invested in the android play store, moving to an iphone is more expensive then its worth.
For example i think i have a at least 100 dollars in android apps which will make it a complete waste if I was to move to apple.

Not to mention i made a decision a long time ago, i will never endorse nor purchase anything apple, as its overpriced and underwhelming for a product with a fruit logo on it.

 

[Commodus]

unless you have absolutely nothing invested in the android play store, moving to an iphone is more expensive then its worth.
For example i think i have a at least 100 dollars in android apps which will make it a complete waste if I was to move to apple.

Not to mention i made a decision a long time ago, i will never endorse nor purchase anything apple, as its overpriced and underwhelming for a product with a fruit logo on it.

And how many people have deep investments in paid apps on either platform? I don't have 2016 data, but eMarketer estimated that only a third of Americans would pay for any apps in 2015, let alone more than one or two. The truth: most people just rely on a handful of free apps (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, a few others) and only rarely pay... usually for games or the occasional app that's so good it's worth the money. On iOS, my only real purchases to date have been Tweetbot (best mobile Twitter client on any platform, in my mind) and Alto's Adventure.

Yes, it'd be a pain if you had dropped lots of cash on apps for one platform and then switched to another. It's just not as widespread an issue as it might seem.

As for boycotting a whole brand? I never understand why people do that when it's not for glaring moral reasons (say, to object to anti-LGBT policies). Companies change. Products get better. And in many cases, images of a brand are based more on outdated stereotypes than facts. That happens all the time with car companies. Ever seen someone who's mindlessly loyal to Chrysler despite its sinking quality, or who is convinced that Honda couldn't make a posh car to save its life? Yeah. Rules of thumb can generally hold true, but "always" and "never" are words you just shouldn't use when you go shopping.

 

[WelshBloke]

As for boycotting a whole brand? I never understand why people do that when it's not for glaring moral reasons (say, to object to anti-LGBT policies). Companies change. Products get better. And in many cases, images of a brand are based more on outdated stereotypes than facts.

I agree with you on that. I've always considered the Note line to be a bit niche anyway.

The S8 will come out, the iPhone 8 will come out. Fan boys and girls will argue and everyone will carry on consuming like good little consumers the same as ever.

 

[o306]

aigomoria doesn't sound like a fanboy...

"i will never endorse nor purchase anything apple, as its overpriced and underwhelming for a product with a fruit logo on it."

It sounds like if they stop being "overpriced and underwhelming" then he/she would purchase Apple products. Seems like a reasonable position to me.

 

[Kazukian]

I agree with you on that. I've always considered the Note line to be a bit niche anyway.

The S8 will come out, the iPhone 8 will come out. Fan boys and girls will argue and everyone will carry on consuming like good little consumers the same as ever.

Screw you buddy, I hope your phone of choice goes up in flames and your hopes and dreams with it!!!!! /s

Seriously, agree, though, life goes on. No need to go on Prozac over a damn phone.

 

[Commodus]

aigomoria doesn't sound like a fanboy...

"i will never endorse nor purchase anything apple, as its overpriced and underwhelming for a product with a fruit logo on it."

It sounds like if they stop being "overpriced and underwhelming" then he/she would purchase Apple products. Seems like a reasonable position to me.

The issue: the assumption is that "overpriced and underwhelming" is not only true (and universally true at that), but that it always will be. It's no different than your parents swearing they'd never buy a Japanese car, or a religious kid vowing that they'll never become an atheist. You're intentionally closing your mind, and shouting "never!" is usually just a way to make yourself feel silly when you end up doing the very thing you said you wouldn't.

 

[Raduque]

Well, I wouldn't call the iPhone 7 mediocre, just... competent.

IMO, when it comes to cellphones, which need to attract buyers every year and move millions to make a profit, competent = mediocre. I haven't had a non-competent phone since the Galaxy Note 3 (excusing the S6 which was junk, and maybe just my particular unit).

Edit: The LG Optimus G Pro was competent for it's software level (I think shipped 4.1 and got a 4.4 upgrade) and I had that prior to the Note 3.

 

[Zaap]

Zapp, what do you want from your phone? You sound very unhappy.

Not uphappy just bored.
We've all seen what the technology is capable of. You CAN have a headphone jack, edge display, very slim bezels, wireless charging, NFC, SD card allowing huge storage potential, great camera, extras like a wacom tablet built in, in a sleek, forward thinking design ... that's waterproof.

The Note 7 proved all this, as do other phones that arent even new.

Unless the phones are going for $399, its just a pretense that we can only have maybe one of the above (let alone none!) for close to a grand.

 

[ClockHound]

Not uphappy just bored.
We've all seen what the technology is capable of. You CAN have a headphone jack, edge display, very slim bezels, wireless charging, NFC, SD card allowing huge storage potential, great camera, extras like a wacom tablet built in, in a sleek, forward thinking design ... that's waterproof.

The Note 7 proved all this, as do other phones that arent even new.

Unless the phones are going for $399, its just a pretense that we can only have maybe one of the above (let alone none!) for close to a grand.

Great point! I nominate you to the recently vacated management positions at Samsung.

Where they will grind off your bold daring outrageous assertions with the rough wheel of bureaucratic committee design and the cold, locked-in-stone department of artificial model differentiation and market segmentation.

 

[aigomorla]

sigh do we really need to get into the debate on a note 7 vs iphone 7 on a note 7 thread?

To many of us Note 7 users we were very hard pressed to find a replacement to this ticking bomb because well, there is no such thing as a "replacement".
Ask any note 7 owner if the phone they are changing to is "a happy replacement".
Most will say no, and that they want their note 7 back.

S7 edge replace the note 7 edge? no way... as others who have done this have said, its nothing like the same phone minus the edge screen.
Iphone 7 replace the note 7 edge? probably not, if we had a replaceable note 7 that didn't blow up, i can pretty much tell you 90% of the owners would probably get another note 7 (me included.)
The Retina Scan... I actually used it a lot, and well, im gonna miss that when i get a replacement.

Infact samsung is even having problems getting the phones back as people just dont want to part with it due to how feature packed the phone is compared to anything else on the market:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/some-people-are-refusing-to-turn-in-their-samsung-note-7-phones.html


And personally my thoughts on apple...
Nah i cant get into that without derailing this topic so i'll just leave it as that....

 

[Kazukian]

If I were so unhappy with replacement options, I'd just ask for my $ back and wait for an S8 Plus or whatever they'll call the new stylus enabled Samsung phone, and score something cheap in the meantime, or used.

 

[Zaap]

Infact samsung is even having problems getting the phones back as people just dont want to part with it due to how feature packed the phone is compared to anything else on the market:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/some-people-are-refusing-to-turn-in-their-samsung-note-7-phones.html

And of course every day the hold-outs' phones are exploding one right after the other...

... except they don't seem to be.

 

[Kazukian]

And of course every day the hold-outs' phones are exploding one right after the other...

... except they don't seem to be.

Why do you suppose that is, Zaap? The industry standard is 1 failure in 10 million batteries, seems the Note 7 batteries exceeded that by quite a bit, by a factor of 526.

Since Samsung was caught attempting to cover up the fires multiple times, to the point of not allowing their employees to talk about the failures to each other, do you think they'd report any fires of the likely 1.5 million Note 7's currently in their possession? Healthy skepticism I understand, but you're being pretty ignorant here.

 

[Zaap]

Why do you suppose that is, Zaap? The industry standard is 1 failure in 10 million batteries, seems the Note 7 batteries exceeded that by quite a bit, by a factor of 526.

Since Samsung was caught attempting to cover up the fires multiple times, to the point of not allowing their employees to talk about the failures to each other, do you think they'd report any fires of the likely 1.5 million Note 7's currently in their possession? Healthy skepticism I understand, but you're being pretty ignorant here.

Really, so you're saying there's thousands of Note 7's blowing up- you have not a SHRED of proof of this, but they're blowing up left and right. LOL!

 

[Kazukian]

Really, so you're saying there's thousands of Note 7's blowing up- you have not a SHRED of proof of this, but they're blowing up left and right. LOL!

Can you multiply, divide and do simple ratios, Zaap? It's grade school math, Zaap.

But I guess you must be right, there was absolutely no reason for a recall costing Samsung billions, LOLX100, that's a hundred LOL's if you need help with the math.

 

[Zaap]

Can you multiply, divide and do simple ratios, Zaap? It's grade school math, Zaap.

But I guess you must be right, there was absolutely no reason for a recall costing Samsung billions, LOLX100, that's a hundred LOL's if you need help with the math.

It's telling how you have to resort to lying.

Show me a SINGLE report of an exploding Note 7 after the recall. There are tons of them still out there as many have refused to give them up.

I'll wait.

 

[Kazukian]

What am I lying about? They were recalled, Samsung and the CPSC say they needed to be recalled. Samsung is losing billions.

The industry standard is 1 failure in 10 million units. 97 of 1.9 million Note 7's caught fire that we know of, property was damaged, and Samsung is very lucky no one was killed.

There are likely 1.5+ million with Samsung now, that 1 million number exchanged is weeks old. Samsung actively attempted to suppress the info about the fires when the phones weren't in their possession, you honestly think they're going to release data that further damages them now?

You want to wear a tinfoil hat just makes you look crazy, Zaap.