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you2

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The phone is closer to a computer than calculator. Imagine if after 2 years your computer stopped receiving updates and you were told to buy a new one.

I had a Note 3. I can't understand how you'd call the Note 4 recent. It's unfortunate to lose the updates but you can imagine how difficult it is to support so many iterations of hardware/software config because it all needs to be tested to satisfaction. Get a more modern Samsung and you'll feel the difference in performance - such a huge step up from my Note 3 to my S8+. Edge screen is nice for edge apps (quick dialer, calculator, etc.)
 

you2

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First I never said anything about purity of the software. The fact remain that there are innovative software features in the pixel that the note 9 lack. Yes the note 9 might see some of these features in the future and then again it might not.
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I understand you could care less about the speakers; but the speakers (for my usage) are actually important. Furthermore I understand that you love having the edge touch display; but I dislike them. You are welcome to your opinion and preference but don't pretend it is the best or even a good device for others.

So in other words, camera. The software isn't anything special and couldn't support features the the Note 9 has. This idea that Google is pure and everything else is some clone is going to eventually work out about as well as it did for IBM attempting it with the PC. People eventually realized the whole 'purity' thing was a load of manure and brands offering better features and value won out.

Phone speakers all suck. The Note 9 thankfully isn't for people who think one set of tiny, shrill, crappy speakers is significantly better than another.
 

rh71

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The phone is closer to a computer than calculator. Imagine if after 2 years your computer stopped receiving updates and you were told to buy a new one.

The Note 4 was released in 2014. You may have got it more recently, but that's not what they go by.

You don't have to get a new one, but you won't enjoy new features, that's all. Buy a new tv or car and you don't get new tech features from the following years either. You do if you're lucky but not entitled to them.
 
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Zaap

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There's no new feature that any update would bring to the Note 4. There's no software it could magically run that it couldn't before. There's nothing it couldn't do before it magically could now, 4 years later.

Ironically, if it's like the Pixel, an update might even slow it down or break a feature like the way fast-charging was broken for many Pixel 1 and 2 users by the Pie update.

Google's own issue tracker still has people reporting the problem (ongoing since August) hasn't truly been fixed yet.

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/112385921#comment311

Just doing a search of first generation pixel update to pie brings up a amazing list of reported problems. (Laggy, buggy, killed my pixel, latest update didn't fix, avoid updates on your Pixel etc etc...).

Now normally I wouldn't be one to harp on this, because I don't live and breathe by updates, when my phone is working just fine. I'm a big fan of if it's not broke... don't fix it. It's just that some pixel fans act like updating the pixel is always a guaranteed perfect experience. Gee, but it turns out one of the main selling points can actually be a minefield for users.

With all the other lacking features of the pixel and terrible design choices, the promise of 'updates instantly!' ought to be damn near perfect. It isn't by any stretch for many so once again... sorry. Not impressed.
 

you2

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My computer; blu ray player; ... receive firmware updates after 4 years. I know the note 4 is older than 2 years; but it is just touching 4 years and no longer receives updates of any kind. Like i said you obviously believe that you should be buying a new computer every two years.

The Note 4 was released in 2014. You may have got it more recently, but that's not what they go by.

You don't have to get a new one, but you won't enjoy new features, that's all. Buy a new tv or car and you don't get new tech features from the following years either. You do if you're lucky but not entitled to them.
 

you2

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I think you are missing the point. To be honest I'm more concern about security updates than feature updates. Yes the pixel has a lot of problem and google allows you to look up the list of open issues; now try listing the open issues with note 8; samsung s8; s9; .... s/note anything.

There's no new feature that any update would bring to the Note 4. There's no software it could magically run that it couldn't before. There's nothing it couldn't do before it magically could now, 4 years later.

Ironically, if it's like the Pixel, an update might even slow it down or break a feature like the way fast-charging was broken for many Pixel 1 and 2 users by the Pie update.

Google's own issue tracker still has people reporting the problem (ongoing since August) hasn't truly been fixed yet.

https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/112385921#comment311

Just doing a search of first generation pixel update to pie brings up a amazing list of reported problems. (Laggy, buggy, killed my pixel, latest update didn't fix, avoid updates on your Pixel etc etc...).

Now normally I wouldn't be one to harp on this, because I don't live and breathe by updates, when my phone is working just fine. I'm a big fan of if it's not broke... don't fix it. It's just that some pixel fans act like updating the pixel is always a guaranteed perfect experience. Gee, but it turns out one of the main selling points can actually be a minefield for users.

With all the other lacking features of the pixel and terrible design choices, the promise of 'updates instantly!' ought to be damn near perfect. It isn't by any stretch for many so once again... sorry. Not impressed.
 

Zaap

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I think you WAY missed the point. A security update might do something like brick your fast-charging. On a phone that updates are a main selling point of.

How long do you really think Google will care to fix every bug that happens to old generations of pixels? They aren't really doing such a bang up job of it currently.

Eventually, yes, it'll probably happen that Google won't really care that much about keeping your 4 year old Pixel up to date as they will progressing with newer models.

That's actually a pretty obvious and logical thing, (businesses care more about new product that makes them money, than they do supporting older products that cost them money) just it may be a bit of a bummer for the 'endless updates!' dream that may have been a selling point for you and others.
 

you2

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I guess with this view of updates; you haven't updated your pc in 15 years. Anyway i'm tired of continuing this line. So your next post can be the last word and good luck with your pc that hasn't been updated in 15 years.

I think you WAY missed the point. A security update might do something like brick your fast-charging. On a phone that updates are a main selling point of.

How long do you really think Google will care to fix every bug that happens to old generations of pixels? They aren't really doing such a bang up job of it currently.

Eventually, yes, it'll probably happen that Google won't really care that much about keeping your 4 year old Pixel up to date as they will progressing with newer models.

That's actually a pretty obvious and logical thing, (businesses care more about new product that makes them money, than they do supporting older products that cost them money) just it may be a bit of a bummer for the 'endless updates!' dream that may have been a selling point for you and others.
 

rh71

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My computer; blu ray player; ... receive firmware updates after 4 years. I know the note 4 is older than 2 years; but it is just touching 4 years and no longer receives updates of any kind. Like i said you obviously believe that you should be buying a new computer every two years.

I've had a computer since 1995, maybe 4 of them so I keep them a while. At no point have I ever wished for a new computer simply because of not getting updates (it's not an issue) so I don't know why you keep going back to that. It's always because of older hardware running its course. Always. What exactly are you missing out on from your phone's lack of updates? What security issue? We have an old tablet and the only issue so far has been the NHL app not updating as a result.
 
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lsd

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First I never said anything about purity of the software. The fact remain that there are innovative software features in the pixel that the note 9 lack. Yes the note 9 might see some of these features in the future and then again it might not.
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I understand you could care less about the speakers; but the speakers (for my usage) are actually important. Furthermore I understand that you love having the edge touch display; but I dislike them. You are welcome to your opinion and preference but don't pretend it is the best or even a good device for others.
What innovative software features does the note 9 lack that would warrant picking the p3 over it?
Having used pure android roms on my s4 I'll never understand why some people like it. It's boring and dull and it has no place on a premium flag ship. Since you have a note 4 you probably don't know the samsung experience sw is a far cry from touchwiz.
 

sze5003

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I've had a computer since 1995, maybe 4 of them so I keep them a while. At no point have I ever wished for a new computer simply because of not getting updates. It's always because of older hardware running its course. Always.
Computer updates and phone updates are two different things. OS updates and security patches are more important on Android for example than on a PC. Mobile devices are more vulnerable now.

Latest os and security updates means you get the newest Android features before everyone else. Security updates don't matter much although they are important. Google has pretty much updates all their phones up until now and as for bugs every Google phone has had bugs that I've owned. Later they were ironed out with software updates. The 3XL also has quite a few software bugs right now. But they are in the bug tracker for google so far.
 

rh71

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OS updates and security patches are more important on Android for example than on a PC. Mobile devices are more vulnerable now.

I'm curious about the vulnerabilities. What is happening out there? I don't actually follow the scene.
 

sze5003

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I'm curious about the vulnerabilities. What is happening out there? I don't actually follow the scene.
Applications can easily exploit your information on your phone. There was one on Android at one time where it gave itself root access and did things in the background. While its not common on phones it does happen and most people keep a lot on their phone now.

Some manufacturers skip Google's monthly security updates and say that the phone has the latest OS. Every month on my Google phones Ive gotten an update that's a security update as well as a fix for a few bugs sometimes.
 
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lsd

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Applications can easily exploit your information on your phone. There was one on Android at one time where it gave itself root access and did things in the background. While its not common on phones it does happen and most people keep a lot on their phone now.

Some manufacturers skip Google's monthly security updates and say that the phone has the latest OS. Every month on my Google phones Ive gotten an update that's a security update as well as a fix for a few bugs sometimes.
I guess it's a good thing Snapdragon Galaxies have locked boot loaders and can not be rooted easily. You need a security update every month because your phone is inherently insecure.
 

sze5003

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I guess it's a good thing Snapdragon Galaxies have locked boot loaders and can not be rooted easily. You need a security update every month because your phone is inherently insecure.
Locked bootloader has nothing to do with it. You get the updates weather you have the bootloader locked or unlocked. The Google phones all come standard with the bootloader locked. It can easily be unlocked but you lose all your data. After the Nexus 6 I never needed to unlock it to flash anything custom as everything ran fine without any tweaks. Besides apps don't get access to the bootloader when it's locked and it would be a foolish thing to let an app have this access in the first place unless you know what you're doing.
 

Zaap

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I guess with this view of updates; you haven't updated your pc in 15 years. Anyway i'm tired of continuing this line. So your next post can be the last word and good luck with your pc that hasn't been updated in 15 years.
Your attempt at conflagration with desktop computers is very ineffective, as was pointed out to you.

I think some people are just a touch paranoid perhaps. Samsung probably never hits its supposed target of a security update each month as they say, but they do issue security updates.

Personally, I'd rather them get it right, or NOT ISSUE an 'update' that actually borks something or runs like crap. It may be Google's way to treat their users as beta testers but personally I'm not interested.

I've never had a problem with nearly every Note model and I'm not gonna start living in some silly panic mode now.

If you're that concerned about someone hacking your phone or whatever, load it down with anti-virus software and keep it turned off. Turn it on in time for your next update (perhaps its sole function) but turn it off again before you miss whatever the update borked!
 

you2

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It would be useful if only knowledgeable people could respond to these discussions. Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about so it woudl be best if you didn't talk at all.

There are exploits (sort of like bugs) that allow you to take control of the device and/or monitor communication on the device. Sadly much developed software that has been written over the years lacked a defensive nature and/or has fundamental flaws in their design.

I suggest you read up on some of the recent exploits found in various software layers the past 5 years to get a grip at the nature of the type of errors that exist and how they can be exploited.

a good place to start would be cve database of exploits.


I guess it's a good thing Snapdragon Galaxies have locked boot loaders and can not be rooted easily. You need a security update every month because your phone is inherently insecure.
 

sze5003

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When it comes to software it's subjective. Some people want standard Android without a skin like I prefer. Other people really do use the note's software to its full potential. Which is great if you do, and a selling point for you in that case. Some of the pixel software I can think of which may not be a huge selling point but I use the call screening a lot now. There's also duplex, night sight for the camera, and the assistant built in, flip to shhh, which some may see as a gimmick but it comes in handy at work when all I need to do is put the phone down on it's screen. Not a huge point at all really. These aren't very huge changes but some may find them useful.

I've kind of changed my tone now with google as they have started to follow apple trend. The 3XL may be my last pixel if they don't improved by next year, especially their QC process. At least with apple you don't get that many QC issues but with the 3XL I noticed distortion on my bottom speaker, the ram management sucks which they are going to patch in December.

Several people on reddit have returned their devices and got ones back with the speaker distortion as well, meaning it's either an EQ software issue they need to patch or just designed like that.
 

WelshBloke

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Nothing. Nothing at all. And I own a Note 9 and a Pixel 3.
Plus there's a bunch of features that Samsung includes that aren't coming to a pixel any time soon.
On a personal level I'm not going to anything that doesn't have an equivalent of Samsung's Secure folder.
 
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Carfax83

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And they are?

Off the top of my head:

1) Night sight

2) Google Duplex

3) Guaranteed OS and security updates for at least 3 years

4) Unlimited cloud storage at full detail

5) Bloat free pure Android experience (may not appeal to everyone)

6) Industry leading computational photography

7) Integrated call screening

8) Google assistant on tap

9) Access to Project Fi network

10) Google Lens on tap
 

Carfax83

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At least with apple you don't get that many QC issues but with the 3XL I noticed distortion on my bottom speaker

The only time I ever noticed the speaker distortion was during that YouTube video you posted of that guy playing the camera. Other than that, I haven't noticed it at all anywhere else. Hopefully it can be fixed with a software update, but if it can't be, it's not a big deal for me and I won't RMA or return it.

the ram management sucks which they are going to patch in December.

Can you show me where you read or heard this from? I did not know they had even acknowledged it.
 

Oyeve

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The only time I ever noticed the speaker distortion was during that YouTube video you posted of that guy playing the camera. Other than that, I haven't noticed it at all anywhere else. Hopefully it can be fixed with a software update, but if it can't be, it's not a big deal for me and I won't RMA or return it.



Can you show me where you read or heard this from? I did not know they had even acknowledged it.
You P3 fans are almost as bad as the iPhone ones.the memory issue is well known. Google it.
 
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