Galaxy S3 vs Iphone 5

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Capt Caveman

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I'm currently using a 4S and have the new gadget itch. I went to the AT&T store today and played with the 5 and the S3. My wife has the One X so I've got an idea on that one.

They both felt great, but yeah, the 5 really should have been wider. Simply making it a tad taller is just not good enough for me. Even holding it and looking at it felt... off.

The S3 was definitely the winner in my book, but even then, I may just wait for the new Nexus devices.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing too, see what the new Nexus has to offer before deciding.
 

Chocu1a

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Curious why you think it's a step backward?

It just felt like the same old thing in my hand. No different than an iPhone 4. In fact, they had a 4S right next to it & the only way I could see an actual difference was putting one on top of the other. Holding the One X, I was actually "wow'ed" by it's build. Same with the GS3. It was very impressive to behold. The iP5, well, it felt like "been there, done that, over 2 years ago".
Touting .2" as an amazing improvement in the same body, well, not impressed.
If I was a 3GS owner, maybe I would have been wow'ed, but I used to own a 4 & it felt exactly the same. Using the 5 & 4S side by side, I could not see any noticeable difference in anything I did. Well, maybe microseconds, but really...really?
 

buckshot24

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I tried to watch and made it all the way through the notifications section and turned it off. This is clearly someone who hasn't spent any time in the Notification Center settings on iOS. Oh well.
I haven't either, what did he get wrong?
 

Chocu1a

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I tried to watch and made it all the way through the notifications section and turned it off. This is clearly someone who hasn't spent any time in the Notification Center settings on iOS. Oh well.

I will say that I liked the notification control center in iOS better than Android. The ability to have all your apps to control in one spot is a plus.
 

MrX8503

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That's nice, but that metal and glass shouldn't come out of the box with scratches on it nor should interior light leak out.

I agree on the scratches. I haven't seen the light leak though. I still think plastic is shit. Creaks, bends, peel off battery door, barf.
 

ControlD

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I agree on the scratches. I haven't seen the light leak though. I still think plastic is shit. Creaks, bends, peel off battery door, barf.

I have to admit I am not a big fan of the S3 battery cover. When they peeled the back off my wife's phone to activate it I was sure they were breaking something. At the same time, at least there is some sort of access to the battery unlike my 4S.
 

bearxor

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I haven't either, what did he get wrong?

He didn't get anything wrong. Essentially it was "This is how Android does it an the iPhone can't do that."

If you're going to try to make an objective video explaining differences between the two, then you've got to point out the pros and cons of each approach and not just the pros of one platform vs the cons of the other and that's basically what it was. So essentially it's less "Android vs iOS" and more "This is why Android is better". Can't speak for the rest of the video because I stopped watching after the complete non-review of the notifications.

Actually, he might have gotten one thing wrong. He mentioned you couldn't swipe away individual messages in iOS in the notification center, but I don't think you can do that in JB either. I don't have my GNex to test anymore, but I thought that if you had several email messages per account, you could dismiss the account notification, but not the individual emails in the account, so the behavior on both platform is the same. I just can't verify that anymore since I don't have a JB device anymore, just going from memory.
 

cheezy321

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He didn't get anything wrong. Essentially it was "This is how Android does it an the iPhone can't do that."

If you're going to try to make an objective video explaining differences between the two, then you've got to point out the pros and cons of each approach and not just the pros of one platform vs the cons of the other and that's basically what it was. So essentially it's less "Android vs iOS" and more "This is why Android is better". Can't speak for the rest of the video because I stopped watching after the complete non-review of the notifications.

Actually, he might have gotten one thing wrong. He mentioned you couldn't swipe away individual messages in iOS in the notification center, but I don't think you can do that in JB either. I don't have my GNex to test anymore, but I thought that if you had several email messages per account, you could dismiss the account notification, but not the individual emails in the account, so the behavior on both platform is the same. I just can't verify that anymore since I don't have a JB device anymore, just going from memory.

That video is far from objective and you can clearly tell his bias.

You should watch him show how Google now is superior to Siri. S3 completely botches setting the alarm yet he comes out of it acting as if its so superior when it completely messes up 1/3rd of the commands he gives.

Also check out his 'comparison' of the browsing experience. Clear lag when he changes the orientation to portrait. Also check out how much slower it loads the webpage. Then he says this isn't a speed comparison! Its only a speed comparison when using Google now or anything else where android has a slight advantage.
 
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Wow, what a POS. Too bad the cult will say its a feature that apple invented.

It's not but in general I'd say Apple's build quality is up there. Samsung managed to do it with cheap plastic. Props. I've repeatedly said that I prefer a solid build, but if they can do it with plastic, it's better than nothing.

HTC's had their issues of build quality issues too. Dust under Nexus Ones? This was a repeat issue for many phones. The HTC One S had some external issues too I recall.

I dunno. I feel like every one of these Apple issues is just an opportunity for Apple haters to dance around. I think certain complaints have merit like the lightning connector barring 3rd parties, but with manufacturing defects like these, until we have actual defective % numbers, it's just a matter of whose voice is louder. Clearly the anti-Apple crowd is pretty big so any issue that pops up will receive extra loud coverage.
 

Fingolfin269

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I still fall back on thinking that people really expect too much from new phones now. The massive year over year leaps are over. Like I said before, you don't expect earth shattering innovation in desktop/laptop computing every year, televisions, cars, etc. At some point phones are going to reach a plateau and start to gently climb in terms of innovation. I think we're there or very close.
 

WelshBloke

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... I dunno. I feel like every one of these Apple issues is just an opportunity for Apple haters to dance around. I think certain complaints have merit like the lightning connector barring 3rd parties, but with manufacturing defects like these, until we have actual defective % numbers, it's just a matter of whose voice is louder. Clearly the anti-Apple crowd is pretty big so any issue that pops up will receive extra loud coverage.

I don't think it's the 'apple haters' that are driving this.

There's a lot of angst on lots of traditionally pro apple sites.

There's quite a few complaints in the all things apple forum here for instance.
 

jiffylube1024

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From most Anandtech reviews of iPhones, I always saw benchmarks where Apple's CPU/GPU performance blows Android phones away. Some had Android phones winning.

I just don't get how Apple phones have a disadvantage in CPU? And despite having "better" CPUs, Android phones haven't been nearly as smooth or snappy. It's taken them a few years to catch up to Apple in real world snappiness with JB.

And for the record, I do think that Apple can cram even faster CPUs and GPUs in their phones but what's the point if it's going to hurt battery life?

Apple's CPU's were behind the curve until the iPhone 4S. The 3G had an abysmal ARM 11 CPU that was an ancient architecture. The 3GS switched to a much faster ARM Cortex A8 CPU at 600 MHz that is still woefully slow by today's standards. The 4 had a speed bumped 800 MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU. To that point, Apple's CPU's were always behind the curve.

With the iPhone 4S, Apple put in the much faster (because of dual core) ARM Cortex A9 CPU (at 800 MHz x2). For the first time, Apple's CPU performance was pretty competitive and the GPU, PowerVR SGX543MP2 was class-leading at the time.

With the iPhone 5, Apple has gone to a custom, "ARM A15-like" dual core chip and a very fast PowerVR SGX543MP3 GPU that is clocked to perform like the PowerVR SGX543MP4 in the new iPad.

Basically, Apple has had OK but not spectacular CPU performance up until the iPhone 5; similarly they used mediocre GPU's until the iPhone 4S, which had a much faster GPU.

You're right that the "smoothness" issue illustrated by Android has hidden the fact that Android phones have long had faster CPU's than Apple. Even Ice Cream Sandwich isn't as smooth or fluid as Jellybean; I'd argue that my old Galaxy Nexus on JB is a bit smoother than my GS III currently on Android 4.0.4 ICS.
 

mikegg

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Apple's CPU's were behind the curve until the iPhone 4S. The 3G had an abysmal ARM 11 CPU that was an ancient architecture. The 3GS switched to a much faster ARM Cortex A8 CPU at 600 MHz that is still woefully slow by today's standards. The 4 had a speed bumped 800 MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU. To that point, Apple's CPU's were always behind the curve.

With the iPhone 4S, Apple put in the much faster (because of dual core) ARM Cortex A9 CPU (at 800 MHz x2). For the first time, Apple's CPU performance was pretty competitive and the GPU, PowerVR SGX543MP2 was class-leading at the time.

With the iPhone 5, Apple has gone to a custom, "ARM A15-like" dual core chip and a very fast PowerVR SGX543MP3 GPU that is clocked to perform like the PowerVR SGX543MP4 in the new iPad.

Basically, Apple has had OK but not spectacular CPU performance up until the iPhone 5; similarly they used mediocre GPU's until the iPhone 4S, which had a much faster GPU.

You're right that the "smoothness" issue illustrated by Android has hidden the fact that Android phones have long had faster CPU's than Apple. Even Ice Cream Sandwich isn't as smooth or fluid as Jellybean; I'd argue that my old Galaxy Nexus on JB is a bit smoother than my GS III currently on Android 4.0.4 ICS.
Great post on CPUs but again, Android phones in the iPhone 4 era were complete crap. All of my friends that chose Android phones back then regretted it and hated their phones. They couldn't wait to switch to Apple.

I'm just speaking from my own experience. People here really shouldn't blame consumers for choosing the iPhone. Many of them have given Android a try but switched. Some users just want something that works. They don't need to control everything. They don't need to look at their CPU/RAM usage 24/7. They don't want to flash their ROMs. For those users, the iPhone is simply the best.

I understand that for more technical users(which is probably 5% of population), Android is probably better. I, myself, use a Nexus with JB and also have a Nexus 7.. I like them. The OS isn't a generation above Apple like many here claim. It works and does what I need.
 
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Apple's CPU's were behind the curve until the iPhone 4S. The 3G had an abysmal ARM 11 CPU that was an ancient architecture. The 3GS switched to a much faster ARM Cortex A8 CPU at 600 MHz that is still woefully slow by today's standards. The 4 had a speed bumped 800 MHz ARM Cortex A8 CPU. To that point, Apple's CPU's were always behind the curve.

How was Apple behind the curve? What was the Android phone out when the 3GS came out? The G1. What did that have? Oh that 528mhz ARM11 processor used in the old HTC Touch Diamond from like 2008. Great.

The Droid didn't launch til October of 2009 (compared to 3GS in June 2009), and that had a 550mhz Cortex A8.

So where's the speed? Ok, then came the Nexus One, HTC Desire, SGS1. 1ghz phones. The 4 clocked to what? 800mhz? Now THAT was behind the curve.

The 4S came after the 1.2ghz SGS2, and the 1.2ghz HTC Sensation. It was clocked 50% slower at 800mhz.

I don't see how the Apple caught up with the 4S.

Either way, Android has much higher minimum system requirements. The 3GS might be woefully slow, but it runs iOS ok. Now let's try running that Droid 1 on Froyo and Gingerbread. I remember videos showing the Froyo release on the Droid 1 and the OTA review. Looks like 15fps lagfest that hiccups left and right. The 3GS doesn't look like that AT ALL.

Anyway, saying that Apple is behind is fine, but cell phones were never about massive system specs. It was always about having enough to run well. Apple's phones have always run well. You could argue the 3GS struggled with iOS5 and the 3G struggled with iOS 4, but you're asking 2+ year old devices to run an OS well. I'd like to see you run a Motorola Droid today or a SGS1. They're all woefully slow.
 

mikegg

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How was Apple behind the curve? What was the Android phone out when the 3GS came out? The G1. What did that have? Oh that 528mhz ARM11 processor used in the old HTC Touch Diamond from like 2008. Great.

The Droid didn't launch til October of 2009 (compared to 3GS in June 2009), and that had a 550mhz Cortex A8.

So where's the speed? Ok, then came the Nexus One, HTC Desire, SGS1. 1ghz phones. The 4 clocked to what? 800mhz? Now THAT was behind the curve.

The 4S came after the 1.2ghz SGS2, and the 1.2ghz HTC Sensation. It was clocked 50% slower at 800mhz.

I don't see how the Apple caught up with the 4S.

Either way, Android has much higher minimum system requirements. The 3GS might be woefully slow, but it runs iOS ok. Now let's try running that Droid 1 on Froyo and Gingerbread. I remember videos showing the Froyo release on the Droid 1 and the OTA review. Looks like 15fps lagfest that hiccups left and right. The 3GS doesn't look like that AT ALL.

Anyway, saying that Apple is behind is fine, but cell phones were never about massive system specs. It was always about having enough to run well. Apple's phones have always run well. You could argue the 3GS struggled with iOS5 and the 3G struggled with iOS 4, but you're asking 2+ year old devices to run an OS well. I'd like to see you run a Motorola Droid today or a SGS1. They're all woefully slow.
I agree with this post. I never thought that Android phones had an advantage in CPU/GPU in any era. They might have been spec'd higher but until JB a few months ago, the iPhones had far better smoothness.

I upgraded my iPhone 3G to iOS 4 and I couldn't bare the slowness. It was painful to use which was why I jumped on the Nexus wagon when the price dropped.
 
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