Galaxy S8 & S8 Plus Thread

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agent00f

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It is more than a 15% but yeah it was not a big jump in Performance. Their goal this year was sustained performance, reduce TDP ( power consumption), adding features and lowering the size of the chip. So if they deliver as it looks it is not that bad. Last year in the A10Fusion Apple increased the maximun power consumption in order to get more performance compared to the previous A9 and lowered the sustained performance. The 7 Plus drops 40% performance in the GPU run test and the increase in CPU frequency was too big to not get a hit in power consumption ( 2'34GHz vs 1'84GHz) at same 16nmFF+.

If qualcomm et al could make cores remotely as good as apple they would.
 

Oyeve

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wait, they remotely break peoples phones!?
They tried. Got most of em too. Me, I always use a Verizon branded phone with my tmo sim. Confuses the update servers, hence I have a fully functional note 7.
 

gorcorps

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Tried them out at BB today. Fantastic phone and really well designed, minus the location of the finger print scanner. I don't even mind ones that are on the back, as I've been used to the one on the 6p for a while... but to put it beside the camera instead of below it and centered is simply mind boggling. It's like they put it in as an afterthought assuming you'll only want to use the iris and face scanner now, but I don't expect them to work well with my glasses. I couldn't demo the iris scanner either because in demo mode you can't register an iris, so I still don't know if it'll work or not. It's the one thing that makes me 2nd guess my preorder, but everything else is so nice I still don't think I'll cancel it. With the security tether on it I couldn't say 100% I couldn't reach it, but it sure didn't seem likely.

It was absolutely impossible to reach on the s8+. Not sure what they were thinking.
 

Oyeve

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Tried them out at BB today. Fantastic phone and really well designed, minus the location of the finger print scanner. I don't even mind ones that are on the back, as I've been used to the one on the 6p for a while... but to put it beside the camera instead of below it and centered is simply mind boggling. It's like they put it in as an afterthought assuming you'll only want to use the iris and face scanner now, but I don't expect them to work well with my glasses. I couldn't demo the iris scanner either because in demo mode you can't register an iris, so I still don't know if it'll work or not. It's the one thing that makes me 2nd guess my preorder, but everything else is so nice I still don't think I'll cancel it. With the security tether on it I couldn't say 100% I couldn't reach it, but it sure didn't seem likely.

It was absolutely impossible to reach on the s8+. Not sure what they were thinking.
If it's anything like my note 7 scanner it'll work fine with glasses. I wear glasses and have no problem. Just register without them and works well while wearing them.
 

gorcorps

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If it's anything like my note 7 scanner it'll work fine with glasses. I wear glasses and have no problem. Just register without them and works well while wearing them.
Well that's good to know. The eye tracking tech in my note 4 never worked right with my glasses so I was worried. That's a number of generations ago though.
 
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Not sure if it was already posted but for people on ATT U-Verse or DirectTV you can Buy One Get One ATT S8/S8+

Buy a Galaxy S8 or S8+ and get one free when you buy and activate both with an eligible monthly installment plan for AT&T. Offer eligible for new lines of activation and upgrades (if one of the lines is new). Requires DIRECTV or U-Verse (new or existing) service.

Plus I think you can buy from Sam's/Best Buy and get the other bonuses too. I found this on Best Buy's website in fact.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/clp/samsung-galaxy-s8/pcmcat1489428710715.c?id=pcmcat1489428710715

Works for more than these too:
Valid devices include: Samsung Galaxy S8, Galaxy S8+, Galaxy S7, Galaxy S7 edge, Galaxy S7 Active, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, LG V20, LG G5, or LG G6

Have a sister that has DirecTV, and have been considering changing my phone (LG V10) plus my Mom could use a new phone (Lumia 640), but seems like would have to stay on ATT Next to get it and not sure how that would impact things.

Here's full text.

In store only. Valid 4/2/17 through a limited time. Void in Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Miami-Dade, FL. Free device requires new line on AT&T Next with 30 monthly installments, or AT&T Next Every Year with 24 monthly installments, and an existing or new DIRECTV or U-Verse service agreement. Credits start within 3 billing cycles. Tax due at sale. Requires well-qualified credit. If service is cancelled on one, that device balance (up to $950) is due. $15 activation/upgrade fee. Devices: Select devices only. BOGO devices must be from same manufacturer. Valid devices include: Samsung Galaxy S8, Galaxy S8+, Galaxy S7, Galaxy S7 edge, Galaxy S7 Active, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, LG V20, LG G5, or LG G6. After bill credits, get select smartphones for free or can apply toward other eligible smartphone. Must buy on installment agreements. Taxes on full retail prices due at sale. Down payment option available. Service: Qualifying monthly wireless service (voice and data) required on both (currently minimum $70/month on Mobile Share Value plan; existing customers can add to current plans, which may be less). Bill Credit: Both lines must be on the same account and be active and in good standing for 30 days for credits to start. Total available bill credit varies by manufacturer. To get all bill credits, eligible device must remain on AT&T Next agreement with qualifying service for 30 months. If you upgrade or pay up/off agreement early, your credits may cease. Return: If one device is returned, you are not eligible for offer. Restocking fee up to $35 each. See Blue Shirt for offer details.
 

Red Storm

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Tried them out at BB today. Fantastic phone and really well designed, minus the location of the finger print scanner. I don't even mind ones that are on the back, as I've been used to the one on the 6p for a while... but to put it beside the camera instead of below it and centered is simply mind boggling. It's like they put it in as an afterthought assuming you'll only want to use the iris and face scanner now, but I don't expect them to work well with my glasses. I couldn't demo the iris scanner either because in demo mode you can't register an iris, so I still don't know if it'll work or not. It's the one thing that makes me 2nd guess my preorder, but everything else is so nice I still don't think I'll cancel it. With the security tether on it I couldn't say 100% I couldn't reach it, but it sure didn't seem likely.

It was absolutely impossible to reach on the s8+. Not sure what they were thinking.
From what I understand, they were trying to have the fingerprint sensor embedded in the display but that didn't work out, so they had to come up with a backup plan late in development. They couldn't put it in the center back because apparently that's where the samsung pay tech is, so the fingerprint sensor went next to the camera.
 

rh71

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I still have a Note 3 so forgive my noobness - what are the practical uses for the fingerprint sensor other than unlocking the phone? Having it on the back is a problem since I'll have it in a case. I need a case for it that also holds a few credit cards on the back so the pickens' will be slim. I got rid of my wallet a long time ago. How are cases for these edge screens? The idea of exposing the edge seems counter-intuitive to their purpose.

I'm going to have to look at the S8+ in person too. I'm not convinced I can live without a physical home button since I use it to turn the screen on in the first place, the majority of the time. And are the software buttons active on every single screen regardless of app? If not, that will be another issue. I don't want to have to hit 2 times to do something that used to take 1.
 
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Commodus

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From what I understand, they were trying to have the fingerprint sensor embedded in the display but that didn't work out, so they had to come up with a backup plan late in development. They couldn't put it in the center back because apparently that's where the samsung pay tech is, so the fingerprint sensor went next to the camera.

I can't help but wonder if that will be Apple's ace in the hole if the fabled OLED iPhone arrives this year: "we have an all-screen phone as well, but ours doesn't make you smudge your camera trying to find the fingerprint reader." Just put your thumb on the bottom part of the screen.

Not to disparage the S8 too much, though... even knowing Samsung's software habits (massively late updates, a tendency to bog down over time), it's a slick device.
 

gorcorps

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I still have a Note 3 so forgive my noobness - what are the practical uses for the fingerprint sensor other than unlocking the phone? Having it on the back is a problem since I'll have it in a case. I need a case for it that also holds a few credit cards on the back so the pickens' will be slim. I got rid of my wallet a long time ago. How are cases for these edge screens? The idea of exposing the edge seems counter-intuitive to their purpose.

I'm going to have to look at the S8+ in person too. I'm not convinced I can live without a physical home button since I use it to turn the screen on in the first place, the majority of the time. And are the software buttons active on every single screen regardless of app? If not, that will be another issue. I don't want to have to hit 2 times to do something that used to take 1.

I can only answer some of this.

Once you get used to having a fingerprint reader, it's very nice to have. It's been pretty standardized so apps have integrated it into their login as well (like banking apps, etc). You don't have to use a password, pin or pattern, it's a very quick unlock with the fingerprint.

For phones with fingerprint readers, cases are designed to leave them exposed. This is where the odd placement of the reader in the S8 is actually a perk for you, as they just expand the hole for the camera to accomodate the sensor and you still have room for credit cards below. See: http://www.cm4.com/shop/p-120-galaxy-s8-wallet-case-q-card-case-for-galaxy-s8-s8-plus.aspx

The s8 screens are pressure sensitive, so while the software buttons aren't always on the bottom, if you wanted to hit the "home button" you just push harder in that spot and it's like you're pushing the home button. I'm not sure if you can wake the phone up this way, but since it has an always-on screen technology, I think you can.
 
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Zaap

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I'll have to make a Best Buy run today to check this thing out.

My only fear is wanting one! The + looks pretty damn nice. Almost everything I'd want, just no s-pen.

But no... must hold out for the N8...
 

dainthomas

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From what I understand, they were trying to have the fingerprint sensor embedded in the display but that didn't work out, so they had to come up with a backup plan late in development. They couldn't put it in the center back because apparently that's where the samsung pay tech is, so the fingerprint sensor went next to the camera.

If they're going to keep the no-button design for the Note 8, hopefully they can get the on-screen scanner to work by then.
 
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Red Storm

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I can't help but wonder if that will be Apple's ace in the hole if the fabled OLED iPhone arrives this year: "we have an all-screen phone as well, but ours doesn't make you smudge your camera trying to find the fingerprint reader." Just put your thumb on the bottom part of the screen.

Not to disparage the S8 too much, though... even knowing Samsung's software habits (massively late updates, a tendency to bog down over time), it's a slick device.
I don't think it's going to be much of an issue at all really, it's just a design gripe IMHO. I don't see many people complaining about smudging up their cameras right now with phones that have both the camera and sensor in the middle, so with the sensor being off center I think people will quickly adjust to its location.
 

gorcorps

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I don't think it's going to be much of an issue at all really, it's just a design gripe IMHO. I don't see many people complaining about smudging up their cameras right now with phones that have both the camera and sensor in the middle, so with the sensor being off center I think people will quickly adjust to its location.

I don't understand the gripe about fingerprints on the camera lens... but I do agree that it's in a bad spot from a reach perspective. I'm sure I'll get used to it
 

Oyeve

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I don't think it's going to be much of an issue at all really, it's just a design gripe IMHO. I don't see many people complaining about smudging up their cameras right now with phones that have both the camera and sensor in the middle, so with the sensor being off center I think people will quickly adjust to its location.
Its actually the main reason I couldn't use my LGv20. The one on the V10 was ok as you had to press the rear button in to use the FP sensor, on the V20 you just touched it so even if any part of skin touched or rubbed on it it would attempt to unlock. Was really annoying as the phone kept triggering in my pocket.
 

Commodus

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I don't think it's going to be much of an issue at all really, it's just a design gripe IMHO. I don't see many people complaining about smudging up their cameras right now with phones that have both the camera and sensor in the middle, so with the sensor being off center I think people will quickly adjust to its location.

The issue is that it's both off-center and difficult to identify by feel. On other phones with rear fingerprint sensors, it's typically below the camera (and thus more likely the thing you'll touch first) and sufficiently indented that you know you're touching the right thing. It's the difference between unlocking your phone by instinct versus having to put some thought into it.
 

Red Storm

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The issue is that it's both off-center and difficult to identify by feel. On other phones with rear fingerprint sensors, it's typically below the camera (and thus more likely the thing you'll touch first) and sufficiently indented that you know you're touching the right thing. It's the difference between unlocking your phone by instinct versus having to put some thought into it.
But I don't think it's going to be an issue long term. The same way when the sensors were first being put on the back and people were saying that they wouldn't be able to quickly find it, that proved to be a non issue. I think it's the same situation here, long term it won't be an issue because people will quickly adapt to the sensor's location.

Its actually the main reason I couldn't use my LGv20. The one on the V10 was ok as you had to press the rear button in to use the FP sensor, on the V20 you just touched it so even if any part of skin touched or rubbed on it it would attempt to unlock. Was really annoying as the phone kept triggering in my pocket.

That's odd, I had the Nexus 6P and I never experienced that. I actually liked that you didn't have to press anything and it instantly took you into your phone.
 

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I have a 6P, so I don't mind the rear mounted fingerprint sensor. What I don't like is that it's way too high up the phone (specifically on the larger S8+). The S8+ and Nexus 6P have a similar height, and my index finger finds its way to the 6P fingerprint sensor every time. Who knows...if I buy a S8+ (and it'd only be the S8+ for the larger battery), I might get used to it.
 

Commodus

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But I don't think it's going to be an issue long term. The same way when the sensors were first being put on the back and people were saying that they wouldn't be able to quickly find it, that proved to be a non issue. I think it's the same situation here, long term it won't be an issue because people will quickly adapt to the sensor's location.

It probably won't be a deal breaker, but it does strike me a poor design choice guided more by aesthetics than real-world use. Ideally, you shouldn't have to adapt -- it should be intuitive enough that anyone can grasp it quickly.
 

Ackmed

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I am pretty excited about this and replacing my 7 Edge. The screen is pretty captivating, and the other enhancements are pretty good. I plan to get one the first week. Although, I may just get a Note later too, I do like them better.

Now I am just curious if I should trade my old school unlimited data for the new with Verizon? It'd be cheaper, but I feel like it may be a trap and try to take away from me again.
 

lupi

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Don't see any reason to replace my edge with this. Given how difficult it was to find an ok plastic screen protector and that no glass ones exist for these, that makes it even less likely for me.
 

Red Storm

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It probably won't be a deal breaker, but it does strike me a poor design choice guided more by aesthetics than real-world use. Ideally, you shouldn't have to adapt -- it should be intuitive enough that anyone can grasp it quickly.
Oh I completely agree, it's definitely bad design, but I think that's because they couldn't get the embedded solution working in time and so they had to come up with something quick. But I do think people will get over it, and the Note 8 having it be embedded in the display will be a defining feature of that phone come later this year.
 
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