Game 6: Lakers vs. Suns

[InlineFour]

like phil said, they should have fouled when the suns were scrambling in those last couple of seconds in the 4th quarter.

 

[kalster]

nice game,

Kobe maybe a better player but watching Nash pass the ball to everyone is fun, and he doesnt whine as much either,

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Kobe is the best offensive player I have ever seen. Insane.

You must have never watched the NBA of the 80's and 90's.

Im to young to adequately remember MJ. Kobe is freaking insane though.

Not just MJ. Watch ESPN classic when they show some "average all-star" like Bernard King, or greats like Isiah Thomas or Larry Bird. Back then, the game was a hell of a lot more physical too.

it's kind of a pointless debate, but i really think that Kobe would have ran with the best of them.

Crying for fouls the way he does? These guys played through contact and never expected the call. Sam Cassell said it best today on Rome is Burning, the Raja Bell incident would have been a personal foul back then, nothing more.

Yea, the game is a lot less physical these days, and I don't like how many fouls are being called, but I can't see Bryant NOT being up there. When a guy is good enough that you can defend him perfectly, and he still ends up hitting shots, he has to be given that kind of respect IMO. As a go-to scorer, I would put him over Jordan and the like right now.

Rofl, you said he was being defended perfectly. BY WHO, Barbosa or Marion hahahaha? He was taking off balance circus shots all night and making a lot of them. He thought it was a game of horse, well guess what, Nash's 32 + 13 > 50 + 7 Turnovers. LA not sticking to their power game and letting Kobe chuck up circus shots played right into the hands of PHO.

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: kalster
nice game,

Kobe maybe a better player but watching Nash pass the ball to everyone is fun, and he doesnt whine as much either,

its not like he's getting the calls anyways

tfinch2 and SP33Demon I'm ready to get owned...

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Azndude2190
I hoping the Lakers can regroup this offseason and get some perimeter defenders.

WTF the season isn't over yet. No need to go cry to your momma already.

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Azndude2190
I hoping the Lakers can regroup this offseason and get some perimeter defenders.

WTF the season isn't over yet. No need to go cry to your momma already.

I know...but I still want them to add some perimeter defenders.

 

[sadguy]

The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Kobe is the best offensive player I have ever seen. Insane.

You must have never watched the NBA of the 80's and 90's.

Im to young to adequately remember MJ. Kobe is freaking insane though.

Not just MJ. Watch ESPN classic when they show some "average all-star" like Bernard King, or greats like Isiah Thomas or Larry Bird. Back then, the game was a hell of a lot more physical too.

it's kind of a pointless debate, but i really think that Kobe would have ran with the best of them.

Crying for fouls the way he does? These guys played through contact and never expected the call. Sam Cassell said it best today on Rome is Burning, the Raja Bell incident would have been a personal foul back then, nothing more.

Yea, the game is a lot less physical these days, and I don't like how many fouls are being called, but I can't see Bryant NOT being up there. When a guy is good enough that you can defend him perfectly, and he still ends up hitting shots, he has to be given that kind of respect IMO. As a go-to scorer, I would put him over Jordan and the like right now.

Rofl, you said he was being defended perfectly. BY WHO, Barbosa or Marion hahahaha? He was taking off balance circus shots all night and making a lot of them. He thought it was a game of horse, well guess what, Nash's 32 + 13 > 50 + 7 Turnovers. LA not sticking to their power game and letting Kobe chuck up circus shots played right into the hands of PHO.

By no means was he defended perfectly all night, but on those posessions where he was, he was still able to score (and that's all that I meant). He is one of those perimeter players that can create their own shot (Carter, McGrady, the like), and that makes him 'up there' IMO. And, yea, for sure, those turnovers hurt, but there's no way you can pin this loss on Bryant's scoring - the Lakers lost because of their defense, not their offense. Hell, the Lakers were BETTER offensively (minus those turnovers, of course) than they had been in a while. I think Azndude hit the nail on the head... the Lakers need better perimeter defenders (and, as was said, they should have fouled at some point during that last posession). Kobe, and the rest of the Lakers, turning over the ball and allowing easy perimeter shots killed the Lakers; it wasn't their shot selection.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

 

[EKKC]

you know what's weird, it's like Suns has a 8 of 14 series to go against the city of Los Angeles now that is if they win game 7...

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

but Kobe isn't Nash, he's not a point guard. he's not mr. assist, that is not his game. stop trying to compare the two. the Laker's need a real PG, as Smush is absolutely pathetic as PG.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Azndude2190

Originally posted by: kalster
nice game,

Kobe maybe a better player but watching Nash pass the ball to everyone is fun, and he doesnt whine as much either,

its not like he's getting the calls anyways

tfinch2 and SP33Demon I'm ready to get owned...

Nah, it was a great game. If LA stuck to their power game and slowed the tempo they would have won. You cannot hope to outgun PHO, they are too good on the perimeter. I don't care if you have the best player in the league in Kobe, one man isn't going to beat a whole team built to put more points on the board than you.

This series will probably be 10X more exciting than the finals this year, especially with the storylines and superstars. Worth staying up for.

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

but Kobe isn't Nash, he's not a point guard. he's not mr. assist, that is not his game. stop trying to compare the two. the Laker's need a real PG, as Smush is absolutely pathetic as PG.

I wasn't comparing the two on a position basis.

 

[InlineFour]

the MJ and jackson era didn't really have a PG. scotty pippen pretty much played the PG position. maybe mr. jackson is trying to duplicate the bulls team. :\

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

IMO both teams played great, but Kobe shouldn't have felt like it was all on him and that he had to single handedly outgun PHO. Let's face it, circus shots (low percentage) are not going to fall for him at the rate they fell tonight (a good amount). He needed to slow the tempo and look for Kwame/Odom down low. They were dominating the Suns when they did that. That's really my only (small) criticism on what LA could have done better.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

and they would still miss it, and even if they made it, it wouldn't amount to the shots that kobe makes.

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

and they would still miss it, and even if they made it, it wouldn't amount to the shots that kobe makes.

Easier shots mean a higher FG %.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

But there Lakers were producing offensively. They shot 55% tonight. The only player who did poorly was Smush Parker. And you're talking about TO's? Kobe had 7 of them...Kwame had 2. Doug Collins (who I think is great) even mentioned that the passes being made to Kwame were very difficult passes. The spacing on the floor just wasn't good enough to make those passes (which is partly Kwame's fault). But all in all, he still shot 8 for 9 and had 9 boards, so I think he had a pretty good game.

I just don't think it's a coincidence that whenever kobe goes off on the suns, the suns end up winning. They always mention that they want kobe to have these high scoring games, because they usually win them. Now tonight was a little difference because kobe was shooting a great percentage, but the lakers have such a big size advantage on the inside that they simply can't pass up that oppurtunity.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

IMO both teams played great, but Kobe shouldn't have felt like it was all on him and that he had to single handedly outgun PHO. Let's face it, circus shots (low percentage) are not going to fall for him at the rate they fell tonight (a good amount). He needed to slow the tempo and look for Kwame/Odom down low. They were dominating the Suns when they did that. That's really my only (small) criticism on what LA could have done better.

you really understand very little about basketball. if you watched the rest of the Laker players out there, NONE of them wanted the ball. they all handed it off to Kobe, they wanted him to take this game on his shoulders. he could not be an effective team player because his team simply was not there offensively. The Suns' double team pressure has been huge in disrupting the offensive flow that existed in games 1-3. The Lakers are struggling to find an answer for it. This game was NOT Kobe's fault, not by any means. He kept them close and almost won it for them. The loss can largely be attributed to Smush/Kwame's turnovers and emotionless play and Phil's decision to not foul Marion at the end of the game when the Lakers were up 3.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Let's put it this way. The rest of the lakers would have easier shots if Nash was dishing the ball instead of Mr. 1on1 Kobe.

and they would still miss it, and even if they made it, it wouldn't amount to the shots that kobe makes.

Easier shots mean a higher FG %.

you're right, except if the players still can't make easy shots, then the FG% increase doesn't outdo Kobe's woudl-be contribution

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

But there Lakers were producing offensively. They shot 55% tonight. The only player who did poorly was Smush Parker. And you're talking about TO's? Kobe had 7 of them...Kwame had 2. Doug Collins (who I think is great) even mentioned that the passes being made to Kwame were very difficult passes. The spacing on the floor just wasn't good enough to make those passes (which is partly Kwame's fault). But all in all, he still shot 8 for 9 and had 9 boards, so I think he had a pretty good game.

I just don't think it's a coincidence that whenever kobe goes off on the suns, the suns end up winning. They always mention that they want kobe to have these high scoring games, because they usually win them. Now tonight was a little difference because kobe was shooting a great percentage, but the lakers have such a big size advantage on the inside that they simply can't pass up that oppurtunity.

yes they got their shots in early in the game, but come second half they were completely ineffective. Kwame simply dropped a ton of passes, some difficult some not so difficult. He needs to be able to catch and dunk, that's all we need him to do offensively. There is simply no excuse. The reason our inside game isn't working is because we are trying to post up the bigmen and they are coming strong with the double team and we aren't swinging the ball around and finding cutters.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.

Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.

um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots

Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.

From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.

But there Lakers were producing offensively. They shot 55% tonight. The only player who did poorly was Smush Parker. And you're talking about TO's? Kobe had 7 of them...Kwame had 2. Doug Collins (who I think is great) even mentioned that the passes being made to Kwame were very difficult passes. The spacing on the floor just wasn't good enough to make those passes (which is partly Kwame's fault). But all in all, he still shot 8 for 9 and had 9 boards, so I think he had a pretty good game.

I just don't think it's a coincidence that whenever kobe goes off on the suns, the suns end up winning. They always mention that they want kobe to have these high scoring games, because they usually win them. Now tonight was a little difference because kobe was shooting a great percentage, but the lakers have such a big size advantage on the inside that they simply can't pass up that oppurtunity.

yes they got their shots in early in the game, but come second half they were completely ineffective. Kwame simply dropped a ton of passes, some difficult some not so difficult. He needs to be able to catch and dunk, that's all we need him to do offensively. There is simply no excuse. The reason our inside game isn't working is because we are trying to post up the bigmen and they are coming strong with the double team and we aren't swinging the ball around and finding cutters.

Look, I'm not trying to pin the blame on Kobe for this one, although I think he usually does hurt their team by being such a selfish player. Tonight was different though, as he was shooting such a high percentage. I mean you can't say a player was hurting their team when they shoot 20-35 or whatever it was. I just think you're being a little hard on Kwame. The reason they lost was because of turnovers (of which kobe had the majority) and their inability to slow down the game, which happens by posting up and not taking so many jumpers).