Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Lamar Odom has been absolutely dominant. Hell, he has 3 inches and 25 lbs on Marion. They have to double him almost every time which opens up tons of options if he doesn't just flat out score through the double or dish to Kwame for an easy layup/jam. I would take my chances on Odom and Kwame's size advantage over Kobe taking low percentage circus shots any day of the week.Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
they need to go back to team basketball, it's the only time they've had a chance against the Suns. make the Suns guard more players than just Kobe Bryant and good looks will open up for the rest of the team.
they've been trying that. people are missing shots or just standing around. team basketball does not mean passing around the 3 point line for 23 seconds then having kobe take an impossible jump shot. i think they might just be running out of energy late.
walton is not great but he is a good junk player, always scrappy and around in the early quarters and then fades into nothing by the 4th. seems that way anyway.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Give the Suns some R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You're pretty dense if you think Kwame isn't going to jump at a desperate 3 with seconds left in the game. Blaming a guy who only had TWO turnovers (Kobe had SEVEN) and shot 8-9 from the field is absurd. Do you know how stupid you look by blaming Kwame?Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
IMO both teams played great, but Kobe shouldn't have felt like it was all on him and that he had to single handedly outgun PHO. Let's face it, circus shots (low percentage) are not going to fall for him at the rate they fell tonight (a good amount). He needed to slow the tempo and look for Kwame/Odom down low. They were dominating the Suns when they did that. That's really my only (small) criticism on what LA could have done better.Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.
Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.
um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots
Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.
From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.
you really understand very little about basketball. if you watched the rest of the Laker players out there, NONE of them wanted the ball. they all handed it off to Kobe, they wanted him to take this game on his shoulders. he could not be an effective team player because his team simply was not there offensively. The Suns' double team pressure has been huge in disrupting the offensive flow that existed in games 1-3. The Lakers are struggling to find an answer for it. This game was NOT Kobe's fault, not by any means. He kept them close and almost won it for them. The loss can largely be attributed to Smush/Kwame's turnovers and emotionless play and Phil's decision to not foul Marion at the end of the game when the Lakers were up 3.
I don't think SP33Demon watched the game. Maybe it started past his bedtime. You can't pin this loss on Kobe scoring 50 pts. In the later parts of the game, the other lakers just werent being effective. Kwame fumbled passes. A couple guys had foul trouble. On screen and rolls, Parker kept getting matched up against bigger players who took him into the post. Despite all this, Kobe was able to put the team in a position to win it at the end of regulation.
Did you see Kwame run right past Thomas right before Thomas hit that three? When you close out on a jump shooter, you never run past the guy. They teach you that in any organized basketball camp. Had he just gotten there, gotten his arms up, Thomas wouldnt have simply pump faked and gotten such an open look. :disgust:
Kobe and Phil are to blame for this loss. They could have stuck with Odom's complete dominance on the inside but chose to chuck and gun more shots than Rambo. One man cannot outgun a run and gun team for 5 quarters, it didn't work in the 8 times they lost before the playoffs and it won't work now. Did you even see the post game analysis? All the announcers (Charles, Kenny, etc) all said it was stupid of LA to try and outgun PHO and not slow the tempo and pound the ball down low (where they have a DISTINCT advantage. You should listen to some of the guys who have actually played the game, instead of thinking Kobe wasn't part of the problem.
Nice rebuttal, keep telling us waaahhhh it was Kwame's fault because he had two turnovers, wahhhhh. Smush was scared, Walton was scared! Odom isn't as good as Kobe so why should he shoot, wahh wahh. I'd love for you or some of the other people who can't use stats to back any rational argument go on ESPN or TNT and tell them what you think, and be laughed off the air. But wait, I already know what you're going to say, those guys "prove how idiotic they are and how little they know about basketball." Give it up.Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You're pretty dense if you think Kwame isn't going to jump at a desperate 3 with seconds left in the game. Blaming a guy who only had TWO turnovers (Kobe had SEVEN) and shot 8-9 from the field is absurd. Do you know how stupid you look by blaming Kwame?Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
IMO both teams played great, but Kobe shouldn't have felt like it was all on him and that he had to single handedly outgun PHO. Let's face it, circus shots (low percentage) are not going to fall for him at the rate they fell tonight (a good amount). He needed to slow the tempo and look for Kwame/Odom down low. They were dominating the Suns when they did that. That's really my only (small) criticism on what LA could have done better.Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: sadguy
The analysts are correct. Kobe is a 1on1 player, while Nash makes the entire team better. Circus shots < Nash's assists and less turnovers.
Nash is clearly the league's MVP, no matter who wins the series.
um, no. more like the rest of the lakers can't make shots
Is that a joke? Kwame was like 8-9 and Odom was like 8-14. That's pretty good shooting if you ask me. The only player who had a really bad game was Smush Parker.
From my perspective, Kobe did what he could to keep the Lakers in the game. Had the rest of Lakers been producing offensively, or even looking alive out there he would have gotten them involved. Instead we have Kwame Brown fumbling every single pass given to him, Smush Parker looking completely lost and dejected (i'm very angry about his pathetic performance), and the rest of the Laker team being largely ineffective except for Odom. I think we can all safely say that this loss was not Kobe's fault by any means.
you really understand very little about basketball. if you watched the rest of the Laker players out there, NONE of them wanted the ball. they all handed it off to Kobe, they wanted him to take this game on his shoulders. he could not be an effective team player because his team simply was not there offensively. The Suns' double team pressure has been huge in disrupting the offensive flow that existed in games 1-3. The Lakers are struggling to find an answer for it. This game was NOT Kobe's fault, not by any means. He kept them close and almost won it for them. The loss can largely be attributed to Smush/Kwame's turnovers and emotionless play and Phil's decision to not foul Marion at the end of the game when the Lakers were up 3.
I don't think SP33Demon watched the game. Maybe it started past his bedtime. You can't pin this loss on Kobe scoring 50 pts. In the later parts of the game, the other lakers just werent being effective. Kwame fumbled passes. A couple guys had foul trouble. On screen and rolls, Parker kept getting matched up against bigger players who took him into the post. Despite all this, Kobe was able to put the team in a position to win it at the end of regulation.
Did you see Kwame run right past Thomas right before Thomas hit that three? When you close out on a jump shooter, you never run past the guy. They teach you that in any organized basketball camp. Had he just gotten there, gotten his arms up, Thomas wouldnt have simply pump faked and gotten such an open look. :disgust:
Kobe and Phil are to blame for this loss. They could have stuck with Odom's complete dominance on the inside but chose to chuck and gun more shots than Rambo. One man cannot outgun a run and gun team for 5 quarters, it didn't work in the 8 times they lost before the playoffs and it won't work now. Did you even see the post game analysis? All the announcers (Charles, Kenny, etc) all said it was stupid of LA to try and outgun PHO and not slow the tempo and pound the ball down low (where they have a DISTINCT advantage. You should listen to some of the guys who have actually played the game, instead of thinking Kobe wasn't part of the problem.
once again you prove how idiotic you are and how little you know about basketball. you consistently point to stats as telling the whole story, when in reality the problems of Game 6 are clear to anyone who actually watched the game. this loss was not Kobe's fault, he TRIED to get his teammates involved but they were not producing. Smush was simply scared of the ball and the rest of the players were standing around not doing anything. your hatred for Kobe blinds you from any rational thought.
Originally posted by: bR
Oh great, the game's over so here comes the e-thugs to see who has a bigger e-penis...
Does your therapist know you talk to yourself?Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: bR
Oh great, the game's over so here comes the e-thugs to see who has a bigger e-penis...
Told you so...