Game 7: Lakers vs. Suns

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: InlineFour
why doesn't phil sit odom as well?

maybe phil wants to see how he plays and wants one last hard look at if its worth keeping him. the lakers should've pulled the trigger and dumped odom for artest.

Odom simply isn't living up to his size, ability and contract. at 6'10 he should atleast be getting 15 and 10 a night. he's the invisible man, here one minute, gone the next.

 

[InlineFour]

what i don't unerstand is, why didn't kobe shoot more in the 2nd half? he only attempted 3 shots.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
well.... Unfortunately Kobe has no one while Nash has... well a team

Keep making those excuses. Were you singing the same tune when the Lakers were up 3-1, and everyone in their momma thought Kobe was born again, like Jesus reincarnated in sneakers because he was playing team ball.

well you can't exactly play team ball when no one is making shots LOL

EDIT: Awwww you edited

 

[BrokenVisage]

Suns get it done down 3-1 baby! Bring on Cassell the alien!

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Unfortunately for the Suns, the Clippers have a much more well-rounded team. I fully expect the Clippers to wreck havok on the Suns.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
well.... Unfortunately Kobe has no one while Nash has... well a team

Keep making those excuses. Were you singing the same tune when the Lakers were up 3-1, and everyone in their momma thought Kobe was born again, like Jesus reincarnated in sneakers because he was playing team ball.

I feel the same way as gomez, so I guess I might as well respond... In my case, I was no more impressed by Kobe when he wasn't averaging the points he was during the regular season. I've said it many times, the reason the Lakers were up 3-1 was because the Suns weren't scoring at the rate that they're known for, whether that be due to their own inabilities or the Lakers' defense. The Lakers, through those first 4 games, had offensive numbers virtually identical to their regular season, with guys like Walton making more shots than perhaps they should have. On a team like this, Kwame needs to learn to be patient, and until then Odom and Bryant are just about the only ones that should be shooting the ball :x.

The Suns were just too much. The Lakers don't have the kind of team defense to deal with that high-tempo offense.

 

[sadguy]

I enjoy how Kobe chose to be a baby in the second half and did nothing.

 

[dahunan]

Anyone who tries to blame any of this on Kobe does not deserve to give their opinion about Basketball because they are too ignorant to listen to.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
well.... Unfortunately Kobe has no one while Nash has... well a team

Keep making those excuses. Were you singing the same tune when the Lakers were up 3-1, and everyone in their momma thought Kobe was born again, like Jesus reincarnated in sneakers because he was playing team ball.

I feel the same way as gomez, so I guess I might as well respond... In my case, I was no more impressed by Kobe when he wasn't averaging the points he was during the regular season. I've said it many times, the reason the Lakers were up 3-1 was because the Suns weren't scoring at the rate that they're known for, whether that be due to their own inabilities or the Lakers' defense. The Lakers, through those first 4 games, had offensive numbers virtually identical to their regular season, with guys like Walton making more shots than perhaps they should have. On a team like this, Kwame needs to learn to be patient, and until then Odom and Bryant are just about the only ones that should be shooting the ball :x.

The Suns were just too much. The Lakers don't have the kind of team defense to deal with that high-tempo offense.

It wasn't the high-tempo offense. High-tempo offense takes a lot of things to fall into place to work. Look at the Mavs. They had a solid offense for the past how many years and they always sucked in the playoffs. Same with the Kings a few years back..

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Anyone who tries to blame any of this on Kobe does not deserve to give their opinion about Basketball because they are too ignorant to listen to.

Kobe chose to be baby and did nothing in the second half. Nothing.

 

[DukeN]

Kobe is a psycho and deserved this loss totally. You cannot change your philosophy overnight and expect to succeed.

Nash is the deserving MVP for he doesn't detract from his teammates the way Kobe does. Replace Kobe with Nash on the lakers and Odom probably makes AS game while George and Kwame have career years.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
well.... Unfortunately Kobe has no one while Nash has... well a team

Keep making those excuses. Were you singing the same tune when the Lakers were up 3-1, and everyone in their momma thought Kobe was born again, like Jesus reincarnated in sneakers because he was playing team ball.

Agreed, it's funny seeing the excuses these Kobe fanboys have made.

Originally posted by: dahunan
Anyone who tries to blame any of this on Kobe does not deserve to give their opinion about Basketball because they are too ignorant to listen to.

Kobe didn't even try in the 2nd half...that's pathetic.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: DukeN
Kobe is a psycho and deserved this loss totally. You cannot change your philosophy overnight and expect to succeed.

Nash is the deserving MVP for he doesn't detract from his teammates the way Kobe does. Replace Kobe with Nash on the lakers and Odom probably makes AS game while George and Kwame have career years.

put Kobe next to shawn marion, amare stoudamire (last season), and the rest of the suns

 

[dahunan]

Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

Kobe chose to stop playing. He didn't even try. That's inexcusable.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

hmm. i've nver thought about it that way, but that is a very good possiblity.

]Originally posted by: iamme
put Kobe next to shawn marion, amare stoudamire (last season), and the rest of the suns

hehe, and kobe haters will not even think about the reverse. That team might be actually very exciting to watch. One of three will almost always be open if you double the other. Those 3 can cause extreme matchup headaches. Kobe can break u down in 1v1 or even double teams, but w/ double teams he can pass to an open, streaking marion or amare.

(((prays that i get to see this during olympics)))

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Unfortunately for the Suns, the Clippers have a much more well-rounded team. I fully expect the Clippers to wreck havok on the Suns.

2-2 in the regular season, plus Kurt Thomas will be back. Big help defensively. I don't think you'll see much wreaking.

Oh yeah . . . "That was a royal ass-whipping . . . AGAIN!"

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: frankgomez75
well.... Unfortunately Kobe has no one while Nash has... well a team

Keep making those excuses. Were you singing the same tune when the Lakers were up 3-1, and everyone in their momma thought Kobe was born again, like Jesus reincarnated in sneakers because he was playing team ball.

I feel the same way as gomez, so I guess I might as well respond... In my case, I was no more impressed by Kobe when he wasn't averaging the points he was during the regular season. I've said it many times, the reason the Lakers were up 3-1 was because the Suns weren't scoring at the rate that they're known for, whether that be due to their own inabilities or the Lakers' defense. The Lakers, through those first 4 games, had offensive numbers virtually identical to their regular season, with guys like Walton making more shots than perhaps they should have. On a team like this, Kwame needs to learn to be patient, and until then Odom and Bryant are just about the only ones that should be shooting the ball :x.

The Suns were just too much. The Lakers don't have the kind of team defense to deal with that high-tempo offense.

It wasn't the high-tempo offense. High-tempo offense takes a lot of things to fall into place to work. Look at the Mavs. They had a solid offense for the past how many years and they always sucked in the playoffs. Same with the Kings a few years back..

Just watching the game, that's what I got. The Suns don't play great defense, but they have a great offense (and that's why I don't see them going very far, much like the Mavs). But the Suns, in the first 4 games, averaged something like 8-10 fewer ppg than they did during the regular season, and THAT'S why the series was even brought to a seventh game. These last 3 games, the Suns dominated on offense. You can't just generalize and say that because the Mavericks never advanced far into the playoffs with the up-tempo team that they had, the Suns' reason for winning here wasn't the offense. It was, from what I saw (and I watched parts of each game, admittedly not all the way through).

I did find it odd that Kobe didn't shoot the ball much in the second half... But he was looking for open teammates, I don't know if you can necessarily say he wasn't shooting just to not shoot. He was playing in basically the same way that he had during those games where the Lakers won (because he was 'running the offense better'), and suddenly that's a bad thing? Or, put another way, he stops shooting and tries to get teammates involved, and all of a sudden he should have put the team on his back, when he was chastised for doing just that in game 6? He didn't do much more than pass out of double teams in the first 4 games, and that's not much more than he did in the second half.

 

[Azndude2190]

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

Kobe chose to stop playing. He didn't even try. That's inexcusable.

Why should he?His team sucked tonight and came out with no emotion.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Unfortunately for the Suns, the Clippers have a much more well-rounded team. I fully expect the Clippers to wreck havok on the Suns.

2-2 in the regular season, plus Kurt Thomas will be back. Big helf defensively. I don't think you'll see much wreaking.

Oh yeah . . . "That was a royal ass-whipping . . . AGAIN!"

The way i see it, the 7th seed gave the 2nd seed a hell of a scare and almost knocked them out. Phoenix has shown that it has severe weaknesses that will no doubt be exploited by better, more experienced teams. The Lakers just weren't that team.

 

[InlineFour]

Originally posted by: dahunan

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

phil is known to not call time outs and let his team play through. i guess his philosophy failed him.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

Kobe chose to stop playing. He didn't even try. That's inexcusable.

We differ in opinion..

Did you notice Phil telling him to do anything differently?

Some of these players are Guaranteed to be here next year

Kobe and Phil both knew we could not win.. I know it sounds weak.. but it is true..

Odom did his disappearing act again
Smush was Smush
Kwame was Kwame

George was being George

Ronny skills are not playoff useable..

We had no hope... Kobe and Phil decided to let the scrubs get some experience with playoff basketball... it is different and the value of it is greater than can be explained..

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Kobe didn't even try in the 2nd half...that's pathetic.

You know, maybe if he did, you people would be saying that he shot too many times instead right? I guess you just can't please some people around here.

Plus, it's always funny seeing a fanboy call someone else a fanboy.

Well, at least nobody here seems to be a "fanboy" of the Clippers so I guess all the condescending attitude and hostility will cease when they play the Suns.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Azndude2190

Originally posted by: sadguy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Kobe knew there was absolutely no way this team could win..

SO... since he has TONS of playoff experience.. Finals experience .. etc.. He gave the ball to his team mates constantly.. He tried to let them experience it..

Phil gave up on the team during halftime...

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

Kobe chose to stop playing. He didn't even try. That's inexcusable.

Why should he?His team sucked tonight and came out with no emotion.

he's a professional basketball player making multimillions of dollars per year. that's why he should. pay me 5% of his salary, and i'd be diving for every loose ball for 48 minutes.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: InlineFour

Originally posted by: dahunan

How many timeouts did he call in the 2nd half?

phil is known to not call time outs and let his team play through. i guess his philosophy failed him.

I am not joking when I say this

I think it was Brian Shaw who said something to him midway through the 3rd and I thought I saw Phils mouth say "Fvck Timeouts" ... The way we were playing we didn't deserve a timeout