Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

[blackangst1]

Nope. We're talking about someone from the same party running against an incumbant.

I know I know comprehensive subject. Hopefully it's clear for you now.

Which, btw, doesn't happen. Except in Jhhhn's tin foil covered head.

 

[Jhhnn]

Who ran against Obama after his first term? Who ran against Bush? Who ran against Clinton?

You're being very obtuse.

Hey, I'm just trying to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. I think you're right, though, that a return to sanity is too much to expect.

 

[Zorba]

Which, btw, doesn't happen. Except in Jhhhn's tin foil covered head.

1968 and 1980.

 

[blackangst1]

Hey, I'm just trying to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. I think you're right, though, that a return to sanity is too much to expect.

No you're not.

 

[alcoholbob]

What specifically are you referring to?



Capitalism is the free exchange of goods. Slavery is in essence a forceful seizure. That's pretty easily separated. Communism, by far, has more in common with slavery than capitalism.

Capitalism is a government program, just like socialism and communism. It's "voluntary" in a very narrow sense within an involuntary structure.

In an absolute free society people don't exchange goods at all, they give each other things and exchange favors at a later time, which is much closer to a credit system. The vast majority of human history operated like this.

Exchange for money or bartering (which is a breakdown of exchange for money) are systems that were created by the advent of empires. Capitalism is purely a state program where a government under military force creates an artificial construct called a market. The first markets were created by military empires occupying previously stateless agrarian tribal societies under threat of force in order to facilitate an exchange of goods. This is the how capitalist markets developed. If you want to call that narrow definition "voluntary", then sure.

 

[blackangst1]

1968 and 1980.

Again, not my point.

Why is comprehension so difficult?

Good Lord.

 

[blackangst1]

Capitalism is a government program, just like socialism and communism. It's "voluntary" in a very narrow sense within an involuntary structure.

And a successful one at that

 

[alcoholbob]

And a successful one at that

No doubt its successful. But I find the stories right-libertarians weave about capitalism and freedom are basically historically illiterate and bordering on fairy tales. I'm not sure why they have to lie to themselves to "amp up" capitalism.

 

[kage69]

This is just sad. As I understand it there were a lot of great people working very hard on this caucus, and it all got ruined by someone deciding the equivalent of 'let's debut the new POS system (without testing) the morning of Black Friday. I forget which station I heard that on today but it stuck with me.

Here I thought no way they'd drop the ball again after 2012. They don't want to be seen as inept corn patch folk, that'll just hasten them losing their election year poll position.

And they go with a smartphone app and a woefully inadequate back up phone system. Wow.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is just sad. As I understand it there were a lot of great people working very hard on this caucus, and it all got ruined by someone deciding the equivalent of 'let's debut the new POS system (without testing) the morning of Black Friday. I forget which station I heard that on today but it stuck with me.

Here I thought no way they'd drop the ball again after 2012. They don't want to be seen as inept corn patch folk, that'll just hasten them losing their election year poll position.

And they go with a smartphone app and a woefully inadequate back up phone system. Wow.

"I dont always test my code, but when I do, I test it in production"

How very corporate, push it to the field, fix it later

 

[sactoking]

Actually there were a few Republicans who expressed an interest in running against the unindicted co-conspirator but they all essentially dropped out when the state level Republican parties, with the assistance of the national party, rigged the primary in several states to ensure that the voters couldn't overturn the will of the party elite.

 

[blackangst1]

No doubt its successful. But I find the stories right-libertarians weave about capitalism and freedom are basically historically illiterate and bordering on fairy tales. I'm not sure why they have to lie to themselves to "amp up" capitalism.

I've read similar fantasy stories about communism. Your point?

 

[alcoholbob]

I've read similar fantasy stories about communism. Your point?

My point is we really should get money out of politics so fascists like the Kochs and other oligarches can't continue to amplify libertarian bullshit they don't even believe in just to get tax cuts, and poison the minds of the gullible.

 

[blackangst1]

My point is we really should get money out of politics so fascists like the Kochs and other oligarches can't continue to amplify libertarian bullshit they don't even believe in just to get tax cuts, and poison the minds of the gullible.

Aahhh ok. Then I agree with you. But you're blind is you think only the right contribute millions into politics.

 

[Zorba]

Again, not my point.

Why is comprehension so difficult?

Good Lord.

No, I agree with your point. I don't see anyone running against a presidential incumbent any time soon. Especially one well liked by the base.

I was just saying it did happen those two years.

 

[blackangst1]

No, I agree with your point. I don't see anyone running against a presidential incumbent any time soon. Especially one well liked by the base.

I was just saying it did happen those two years.

No. In both cases the one running and won wasn't the same party.

EDIT: My original point o was rebut Jhhhn's statement he pulled out of his ass that the the GOP was like sheep following Trump, and my point was neither party is going to pit one of its own against another incumbent. Thats it.

 

[Zorba]

No. In both cases the one running and won wasn't the same party.

Huh? Both years had a same party challenge for the nomination. If that isn't your point, what is?

Both years the incumbent party did go on to lose.

 

[blackangst1]

Huh? Both years had a same party challenge for the nomination. If that isn't your point, what is?

Both years the incumbent party did go on to lose.

Ah ok I get what youre saying.

 

[kage69]

Nope. We're talking about someone from the same party running against an incumbant.

I know I know comprehensive subject. Hopefully it's clear for you now.

Yeah I didn't notice that qualifier, my bad. That I had just read "No one is going to seriously run against an incumbant from either party. You know this already. " probably factored into it too. Additional disclosure: I probably need sleep.

 

[blackangst1]

Yeah I didn't notice that qualifier, my bad. That I had just read "No one is going to seriously run against an incumbant from either party. You know this already. " probably factored into it too. Additional disclosure: I probably need sleep.

I meant from the same party. It just doesn't happen. There isn't some tin foil hattery as Jhhhn suggested. It's politics as usual.

 

[Blackjack200]

Pretty sure you spread posts that what'shisnameClintonguy is the one responsible for the app that had problems.

I'd think if they were in this thread it would be easy enough to quote them. Maybe you're thinking of this post where I linked a tweet from the late daughter of Eric Garner?

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[Atreus21]

Capitalism is a government program, just like socialism and communism.

How?

 

[Jhhnn]

I meant from the same party. It just doesn't happen. There isn't some tin foil hattery as Jhhhn suggested. It's politics as usual.

Except it does happen, like in 1980-

1980 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shee-it. The GOP loves Trump despite of his depraved immorality. He gives the Party what they want & the base the leadership cult they've craved. Having a liar, a cheat, a thief & a con man as President seems to suit them just fine. Oh, yeh. Oh, Baby! Four more years! Hail Trump!

 

[Jhhnn]

How?

Capitalism requires a functioning legal system to keep the players honest. Corporations are a legal construct of govt.