Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

[Blackjack200]

I don’t care who he supports. You are a Bernie supporter and the thing you quoted is dumb/insane.

actually is was insightful and accurate. Why are you mad?

 

[TheVrolok]

I do think general incompetence seems more likely than a conspiracy.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

To these folks the Democratic party is simultaneously a bunch of bumbling idiots and a diabolical cabal running everything behind the scenes.... Mmmkay.

 

[fskimospy]

actually is was insightful and accurate. Why are you mad?

What about saying it was rigged is insightful and accurate? Can you provide evidence for this?

 

[ivwshane]

Matt Stoller is a Warren supporter. He's anti-socialist and generally critical of Sanders.

So he rigged it so warren would come in distant third and Pete and Bernie would be close to first?

That’s some trump grade stupidity right there!

 

[pauldun170]

Butteigeig reaches outside the base

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225187764112674817

20 seconds reading her resume would show that referring to her short stint at Goldman is a tactic

 

[Blackjack200]

What about saying it was rigged is insightful and accurate? Can you provide evidence for this?

Sure! Matt explained it nicely. If you weren't so busy frothing at gums about "Bernie Bros" or whatever, maybe you would have seen it.

"The point of Iowa is a media bounce from the results, the actual votes are basically irrelevant. Releasing a partial count to generate or bury headlines is the rigging."

 

[ivwshane]

I'm beginning to think the whole Bernie Bro thing is astroturf, completely fabricated. All these links, all these responses canned and ready to unleash at a moment's notice. It's like a Stewox diagram in motion.

I think most Dems are smart enough to see that a vote for Bernie isn’t a vote vote for Bernie bro’s.

 

[ivwshane]

20 seconds reading her resume would show that referring to her short stint at Goldman is a tactic

I don’t think you can fix stupid and it appears that you can’t fix gullibility.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure! Matt explained it nicely. If you weren't so busy frothing at gums about "Bernie Bros" or whatever, maybe you would have seen it.

"The point of Iowa is a media bounce from the results, the actual votes are basically irrelevant. Releasing a partial count to generate or bury headlines is the rigging."

Right, and the idea that they released partial results in order to rig it for a candidate is stupid and insane and lacks any evidence.

Like I said, you’re just acting like Infowars - Left

 

[Blackjack200]

Right, and the idea that they released partial results in order to rig it for a candidate is stupid and insane and lacks any evidence.

Like I said, you’re just acting like Infowars - Left

Now to watch 3 hours of Rachael Maddow about how Russia stole our election.

 

[fskimospy]

Now to watch 3 hours of Rachael Maddow about how Russia stole our election.

I don’t know what you mean about ‘stole’ but if you mean ‘interfered with’ then sure, that’s common sense backed up by large amounts of evidence.

If you have evidence that the vote counting problems in Iowa were due to a deliberate effort to harm Bernie Sanders then by all means present it. I’m open to the idea! If not, stop acting like Alex Jones.

 

[Jhhnn]

Now to watch 3 hours of Rachael Maddow about how Russia stole our election.

That's diversion, right?

 

[pmv]

I do think general incompetence seems more likely than a conspiracy.

It seems infinitely more likely. I don't see there's any contest between those two possibilities. The fact that it lends itself to feeding conspiracy-theories, does make it all the more incompetent, mind. Bit like the incompetence around Epstein's suicide, come to think of it. You'd think if the stakes are very high and sensitivities about a situation are turned up to 11, that people would decide to be careful and cautious in managing things. But, no, apparently it just makes people decide 'this is the time to do something new and untested'.

People do love their innovative tech, even if it's pointless or makes things worse.

(I notice this forum still hasn't fixed the issue introduced in the last big udpate where if you put any text anywhere in the post in italics the whole final paragraph turns italic as well)

 

[Maxima1]

If you have evidence that the vote counting problems in Iowa were due to a deliberate effort to harm Bernie Sanders then by all means present it. I’m open to the idea! If not, stop acting like Alex Jones.

Do you know if quality control checks with a total freeze was an already decided upon procedure (from my understanding they had like a quarter when it was first reported, yet still stuck at 0%) or if it was improvised near the date of the caucuses/on the spot? The media people were questioning why they didn't just release what they had on the first night. Because if that wasn't already agreed upon, that could introduce biases.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That doesn’t make any sense either as every candidate has a policy to raise taxes on the rich. If you are a democrat donor, raising taxes on the rich is par for the course.

Biden is going to be as aggressive as Warren or Bernie? I think not, but Joe isn't as in on warming so unless there's no alternative I'll go with the environment.

 

[Blackjack200]

I don’t know what you mean about ‘stole’ but if you mean ‘interfered with’ then sure, that’s common sense backed up by large amounts of evidence.

If you have evidence that the vote counting problems in Iowa were due to a deliberate effort to harm Bernie Sanders then by all means present it. I’m open to the idea! If not, stop acting like Alex Jones.

The evidence is in plain sight, go freak out about some facebook ads. Yeah, like I'm supposed to prove intent when Sanders has been dealing with the same garbage from the Democratic party for four years. You know what the evidence is? It's bofa.

That's diversion, right?

Yeah, sure. Why don't you find your own diversion.

 

[dank69]

Not weird but not all that surprising
I read it on an AP News article which cited LinkedIn resumes of the CEO and other company leaders. So not wrong.

What we know about Shadow, Acronym and the Iowa caucuses

As Iowa Democratic Party officials blamed an app for the delayed release of caucus results, conspiracies started swirlin

www.politifact.com

 

[Atreus21]

The answer is in the rest of the post, anxious teenager.

Nothing in the rest of your post explains how markets are a government program. There's no law mandating a market. The market exists because individuals trade goods, and the government's only involvement is mostly an intrusive one. Taxes, regulations, etc. To the extent governments refrain from intervention, the market operates normally.

 

[fskimospy]

The evidence is in plain sight, go freak out about some facebook ads. Yeah, like I'm supposed to prove intent when Sanders has been dealing with the same garbage from the Democratic party for four years. You know what the evidence is? It's bofa.

Great, so you have nothing. Good job being like Alex Jones.

 

[Blackjack200]

Great, so you have nothing. Good job being like Alex Jones.

I told you I have bofa. I don't know why you like Alex Jones so much, I don't really know anything about him.

 

[fskimospy]

I told you I have bofa. I don't know why you like Alex Jones so much, I don't really know anything about him.

I don’t like him at all, I think he’s very dumb because he embraces conspiracy theories when reality doesn’t tell him what he wants.

 

[Blackjack200]

You must like him or you wouldn't keep bringing him up.

 

[fskimospy]

You must like him or you wouldn't keep bringing him up.

It’s weird that we agree on so much but you fight me so much more than you fight the people we both oppose.

 

[ivwshane]

It’s weird that we agree on so much but you fight me so much more than you fight the people we both oppose.

That’s because he’s a troll.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I'm not a Bernie supporter, I'm not even a registered Democrat, but I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. And, I will probably get flamed for posting this...

But...From a pragmatic point of view I don't see the point of insulting the Bernie supporters. When has anyone changed someone's mind by insulting them. I would generalize there are two types Bernie supporters. There are those that irrationally decide they will only vote for Bernie. "The Democrat are running a conspiracy nutters". These people cannot, or at least likely won't be convinced otherwise. The other group is probably more reasonable supporters who are planning to vote for the nominee regardless. If you jump on this second group and start calling them 'Bernie Bros' and telling them they're cult members you might just move them into the former group.

I don't see anything positive coming out of having disdain for a youth movement more involved in politics than anything we’ve seen since, probably the 1960s. Nothing good will come for the party if you take a whole generation of very enthusiastic, very politically active young people and insult them, demoralize them, alienate them, and try to crush their enthusiasm. You’re talking about a sizable politically active movement and some Democrats are brow beating them instead of trying to integrate them into the party. How does that even advance the party's political agenda? Here you have your next generation of political support, far more politically active and more likely to vote than kids in previous generations, and they'd rather alienate them than to try to integrate them into the party.

I can’t believe that even after 4 years of Trump, Some Democrats are still doing they're best to discourage people from joining the coalition and trying to beat the enthusiasm out of them. It’s toxic.

If you're a Bernie supporter that obviously supports liberal ideals it is irrational to stay home or vote for Trump. Sadly people do irrational things when they're angry. I don't see how insulting Bernie supporters - making them angry will lead them to making a more rational decision. I get that plenty of them will be idiotic and obstinate. But some may have their minds changed. Not necessarily to not primary for Bernie but to vote for whomever wins the nomination. So, for the Democrats - the small amount of influence each of them have, you might as well as try to get something positive out of it. Even if the chance is small. The Democrats are going to have figure out a way to integrate these people into the party eventually - right?