Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Matt Stoller is hardly credible!! He called Obama and Buttigieg con artists!!
Case closed on the idiot!!
 

Maxima1

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I was responding the @Blackjack200 rat-fucked comment that was under that tweet.

Ah, I glanced over that. Still, I don't understand why something a supporter says leads to souring over a candidate.

I mean, even if Bernie isn't there, the Democratic party needs them to vote. If not Bernie, they'll mostly get behind Warren or whoever they think is most like Bernie.

I'm curious about your "better president" comment, btw. How does Obama fare to you?
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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how could you know that if you didn’t listen to it?
One, because you were claiming it supported a disproven conspiracy theory. Two, I listened to the beginning of it and it was a bunch of BS, whining. I'm not going to listen to a 90 minute podcast from a bunch of people I've never heard of, whining about how Bernie is getting fucked by yet another vast conspiracy that just happens to be affecting every candidate.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Ah, I glanced over that. Still, I don't understand why something a supporter says leads to souring over a candidate.

I mean, even if Bernie isn't there, the Democratic party needs them to vote. If not Bernie, they'll mostly get behind Warren or whoever they think is most like Bernie.

I'm curious about your "better president" comment, btw. How does Obama fare to you?
Like I said, I think his actions helped full the Bernie Bro fire. I think that movement was one of the many shallow cuts that sunk Hillary and gave us Trump. The Bernie Bros seem to be out in full force again, if not worse. I'm afraid they'll do everything they can to sink whoever the nominee is if it isn't Bernie and the deeper he goes, the worse it'll get.

But what @Blackjack200 is actively doing in this thread is attempting to convince people that the DNC is some evil organization that is trying to rig elections as bad or worse than the RNC, which spread disillusionment and suppresses turnout, leading to Trump 2.0. People like him care more about Bernie not losing than Trump not being re-elected.

I have no idea what Obama has to do with me thinking Warren would be a better president than Bernie. I think Warren has shown that she is capable of making compromises required to get stuff done. But Amy is my horse in this race, with Warren as my number 2. I don't really care for the other top 3 as the nominee. Again, to be clear, I'd vote for rubber dog shit if it is the democratic nominee against Trump.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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One, because you were claiming it supported a disproven conspiracy theory.

quote where I said that, liar.

Two, I listened to the beginning of it and it was a bunch of BS, whining. I'm not going to listen to a 90 minute podcast from a bunch of people I've never heard of, whining about how Bernie is getting fucked by yet another vast conspiracy that just happens to be affecting every candidate.

none of it was whining. It’s a humor podcast and they were mocking the Democratic party and celebrating winning the caucus. If you heard any whining it’s because you were projecting your own insufferable, sniveling bitchiness onto the audio.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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I have no idea what Obama has to do with me thinking Warren would be a better president than Bernie. I think Warren has shown that she is capable of making compromises required to get stuff done. But Amy is my horse in this race, with Warren as my number 2. I don't really care for the other top 3 as the nominee. Again, to be clear, I'd vote for rubber dog shit if it is the democratic nominee against Trump.

looooool never mind.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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quote where I said that, liar.

Seriously? "Who me?"

Please explain how the party rat fucked the guy that less votes in 2016?
Listen to the podcast and you'd know.

none of it was whining. It’s a humor podcast and they were mocking the Democratic party and celebrating winning the caucus. If you heard any whining it’s because you were projecting your own insufferable, sniveling bitchiness onto the audio.
This first minute was about them claiming to have a real election, with a bunch of F words dropped in for no reason. Then a bunch of bitching about some model train museum. Considering you said I should listen to it to see the "truth," then it instaintly starts with whining about how the Iowa system isn't real or doesn't follow rules, you primed the projection.

"These god damn mother fuckers trying to convince us this is a real system..."

I've jump around in it a lot too, just an bunch of "Poor Bernie."
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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looooool never mind.
I'm sure she doesn't pass your purity test, even though she would still be the most liberal president in history. And if by some craziness she won the nomination I am sure you'd spend all of your time saying Poor Bernie, doing everything you could to hand the election back to Trump.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Seriously? "Who me?"




This first minute was about them claiming to have a real election, with a bunch of F words dropped in for no reason. Then a bunch of bitching about some model train museum. Considering you said I should listen to it to see the "truth," then it instaintly starts with whining about how the Iowa system isn't real or doesn't follow rules, you primed the projection.

"These god damn mother fuckers trying to convince us this is a real system..."

the first part was a bit that would only make sense if you were a regular listener. That’s why I said to skip to 2:40.
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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So what can we gain from the Iowa caucuses?

I see a couple safe conclusions we can come to:

Bernie supporters are highly motivated to turn out.
Bernies base isn’t enough for him to clinch the nomination.
Everyone else appears to be going with young and safe.

We’ll see if this continues after New Hampshire.
 

Maxima1

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Jan 15, 2013
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So what can we gain from the Iowa caucuses?

I see a couple safe conclusions we can come to:

Bernie supporters are highly motivated to turn out.
Bernies base isn’t enough for him to clinch the nomination.
Everyone else appears to be going with young and safe.

We’ll see if this continues after New Hampshire.

What was this silly expectation of yours? Nate has Bernie with the highest chance of winning nom right now. Bernie has the final vote in Iowa and could still end up winning Iowa. Even if he doesn't meet the stupid metric for winning, they're going to essentially be tied on S.D.E.s. If he wins, he really got screwed. Buttigieg has been getting all the attention on "winning".
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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What was this silly expectation of yours? Nate has Bernie with the highest chance of winning nom right now. Bernie has the final vote in Iowa and could still end up winning Iowa. Even if he doesn't meet the stupid metric for winning, they're going to essentially be tied on S.D.E.s. If he wins, he really got screwed. Buttigieg has been getting all the attention on "winning".

Since you can’t be bothered to read my post and respond appropriately, don’t bother responding at all.
 

Maxima1

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Since you can’t be bothered to read my post and respond appropriately, don’t bother responding at all.

Nate has his voters placing him with a majority of pledged delegates 1 in 2. Plurality at 3 in 5. I think his model right now is assuming a win in Iowa (not clear yet -- essentially a coin flip), and probably giving too much of a bump considering the narrative has already been set that Buttigieg was winning.
 

Xcobra

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Oct 19, 2004
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Establishment democrats and the DNC are like the trumpsters, there's circumstantial evidence some funny business is going on to suppress certain candidate/information but they decide to keep their head in the sand. It's crazy. It's definitely both sides in this case 😂

I like Bernie (his base is extreme sometimes but I'm not voting for them) as I think he will most likely help Americans who are in most need. But you gotta see wtf is going on to keep him out. It's fucked. In the end, I'd vote anything but Trump but the DNC tends to do what the GOP does all the time, except in a more subtle and self-destructive way.
 
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sportage

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Dumbest mother fuckers on the planet!

Comment above not even close to the reality.
I'll tell you other reasons why iOwa was a disgrace and total failure.

THE INTERNET.
iOwa has no internet. iOwa has one cable company offering internet and one DSL company that hardly covers 40% of the major cities and -ZERO- coverage outside the cities.
Cable availability is also very limited.
Quality and reliability for both a coin toss.
One minute you're downloading at 60 and the next at 1.5 (dial-up speed).
80% of the state has no service offered other than satellite internet service. And everyone knows how unreliable, expensive, and slow satellite service can be.
And did I mention very EXPENSIVE?
So, how is a farmer and acting caucus head located in Cowpolk iOwa expected to use the internet and a phone to text let alone submit results?

FARMERS AND OLD FARTS.
iOwa is full of farmers and old people. And they do not like technology. They do not understand technology nor do they have any desire to learn technology. Let me put it this way... the flip-phone is very popular in iOwa.
Just try introducing technology to someone who can hardly operate a TV remote.
There, you have iOwa.
During the primary process, that is why people could not use "THE-APP", could not understand "THE-APP", could not sign-into "THE-APP", or could not successfully enter an access code into "THE-APP". They are stupid! Seriously, stupid. Republican US house rep Steve King stupid. And most of those that ran the various primary caucus locations throughout the state were farmers and old people. You have one old guy putting his doctor appointment ahead of sending in his caucus results. You have another old guy that was so frustrated that he took a photo of the results and emailed the photo into IDH. And you have many that simply did not even try, and gave up, and went home.
Beginning to see the problem?
DAD... you have the remote upside down, that is why it's not working.
DAD... do not hold down the icon, just tap it. Once!

TURNOUT.
NOBODY, absolutely nobody likes the caucus system.
Nobody wants to take the time, or to go out into the frigid cold to meet with strangers then act friendly, or be forced to make up their mind. That was why most caucus go-ers when asked who they liked of the candidates replied I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND. iOwans do not like the caucus process, they will not turn out to participate in the caucus process, and the caucus process makes no sense to anyone including the IDN leadership, which now is so obvious.
Insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over expecting different results.
Welcome to iOwa. Come Caucus with us. Join the insanity.
(queue the Twilight Zone music)

So to say "Dumbest mother fuckers on the planet!" doesn't even come close to the reality of it all.
 
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jmagg

Platinum Member
Nov 21, 2001
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Comment above not even close to the reality.
I'll tell you other reasons why iOwa was a disgrace and total failure.

THE INTERNET.
iOwa has no internet. iOwa has one cable company offering internet and one DSL company that hardly covers 40% of the major cities and -ZERO- coverage outside the cities.
Cable availability is also very limited.
Quality and reliability for both a coin toss.
One minute you're downloading at 60 and the next at 1.5 (dial-up speed).
80% of the state has no service offered other than satellite internet service. And everyone knows how unreliable, expensive, and slow satellite service can be.
And did I mention very EXPENSIVE?
So, how is a farmer and acting caucus head located in Cowpolk iOwa expected to use the internet and a phone to text let alone submit results?

FARMERS AND OLD FARTS.
iOwa is full of farmers and old people. And they do not like technology. They do not understand technology nor do they have any desire to learn technology. Let me put it this way... the flip-phone is very popular in iOwa.
Just try introducing technology to someone who can hardly operate a TV remote.
There, you have iOwa.
During the primary process, that is why people could not use "THE-APP", could not understand "THE-APP", could not sign-into "THE-APP", or could not successfully enter an access code into "THE-APP". They are stupid! Seriously, stupid. Republican US house rep Steve King stupid. And most of those that ran the various primary caucus locations throughout the state were farmers and old people. You have one old guy putting his doctor appointment ahead of sending in his caucus results. You have another old guy that was so frustrated that he took a photo of the results and emailed the photo into IDH. And you have many that simply did not even try, and gave up, and went home.
Beginning to see the problem?
DAD... you have the remote upside down, that is why it's not working.
DAD... do not hold down the icon, just tap it. Once!

TURNOUT.
NOBODY, absolutely nobody likes the caucus system.
Nobody wants to take the time, or to go out into the frigid cold to meet with strangers then act friendly, or be forced to make up their mind. That was why most caucus go-ers when asked who they liked of the candidates replied I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND. iOwans do not like the caucus process, they will not turn out to participate in the caucus process, and the caucus process makes no sense to anyone including the IDN leadership, which now is so obvious.
Insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over expecting different results.
Welcome to iOwa. Come Caucus with us. Join the insanity.
(queue the Twilight Zone music)

So to say "Dumbest mother fuckers on the planet!" doesn't even come close to the reality of it all.

Whew, I guess now that thats been settled we can move on.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Huge difference in Wallace and fucking Hannity.

Word.

Though to be fair a lot of even this administration's flunkies don't know the difference then end up getting shredded by his smart and persistent questioning. Easily a top 5 interviewer in the business.
 
Reactions: Zorba
Feb 4, 2009
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Tough day for me.

The Bros are on fire about Iowa and the app because Hillary and my deplorable friends are on fire about Nancy ripping up the Presidents paper.
So much concern today.
Ugh

*self quote for context*

As of last night two deplorable’s wanted Nancy jailed for not destroying a government document appropriately (document is the Presidents speech). I said I don’t think that’s really a government document, I would assume everything that goes into the trash in the house gets securely shredded and what secrets would a print out of (in my exact words) “A PUBLIC FUCKING SPEECH” contain?

One Bernie Bro is now calling all Bernie supporters to halt donations to Bernie and warn him they won’t vote if he doesn’t face down DNC vote rigging.
I haven’t seen this guy face to face for a while but he is solidly a Gen X’er. While he is acting like a spoiled child is beyond me.
 
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Who? Anyone of relevance of some rando online bot?

Naw just a dude I know from years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if he falls for propaganda.
Pretty sure he tossed his vote away on Bernie in 2016. Now all he does is bitch about Clinton & DNC.
Odd guy, would never vote R but continually complains about D’s.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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I'm getting a sense that the latest explosion of Bernie Bro - anti-Bernie Bro nonsense is being crafted by two guys sharing a cubicle somewhere, getting paid good money, and laughing their butts off. The flux rate of outrage is ridiculous.
 
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