Like Cheezwiz, you're too dumb to even understand the point I was making, which was not at all about Mayor Pete, gay people, or stereotypes, but the specific reason that he used the term "lifestyle". But woke idiots like you love to naval gaze and seize on snips and phrases that look problematic so you can speak the language of inclusion while never learning the first fucking thing about issues that are actually important to vulnerable populations.
Like Cheezwiz, you're too dumb to even understand the point I was making, which was not at all about Mayor Pete, gay people, or stereotypes, but the specific reason that he used the term "lifestyle". But woke idiots like you love to naval gaze and seize on snips and phrases that look problematic so you can speak the language of inclusion while never learning the first fucking thing about issues that are actually important to vulnerable populations.
Like Cheezwiz, you're too dumb to even understand the point I was making, which was not at all about Mayor Pete, gay people, or stereotypes, but the specific reason that he used the term "lifestyle". But woke idiots like you love to naval gaze and seize on snips and phrases that look problematic so you can speak the language of inclusion while never learning the first fucking thing about issues that are actually important to vulnerable populations.
Like Cheezwiz, you're too dumb to even understand the point I was making, which was not at all about Mayor Pete, gay people, or stereotypes, but the specific reason that he used the term "lifestyle". But woke idiots like you love to naval gaze and seize on snips and phrases that look problematic so you can speak the language of inclusion while never learning the first fucking thing about issues that are actually important to vulnerable populations.
BJ2000 is unfortunately just as ignorant and convinced he is right as any Trump supporter here just from the left instead of the right.lol, are you really this delusional? Takes some guts to speak with such authority on things to which you're clearly ignorant. Your attempts to distance yourself from your own comments are in vain.
What's that like, purporting your opinions as facts when they're so ill informed?
BJ2000 is unfortunately just as ignorant and convinced he is right as any Trump supporter here just from the left instead of the right.
I think a lot of Bernie Bros come from the same place as Trumpistas - significant insecurity which causes them to aggressively over compensate. Just my personal opinion.It is certainly odd how insistent he is that he's right and others are wrong. I even offered that my area maybe differs from his, or life experience has influenced interpretation of the terminology. Since this discussion happened, I've asked a handful of people how they feel about it, and they generally agreed with me that it just meant not hiding it, not apologizing for it, etc...
I don't know what else to say, but his abrasive words won't affect me voting for an America that includes a good place for all American citizens.
His interpretation of the terms feels legacy or rooted in a conservative upbringing / environment.
An "openly homosexual lifestyle" does _not_ imply, for me, being visibly promiscuous or camp or any of that stuff.
However... it's a really clumsy and awkward phrase, I'm not convinced it has any meaning at all. I don't think homosexuality as such is a 'lifestyle' at all. So what is the phrase supposed to mean?
People rarely speak of an openly hetereosexual lifestyle, or an openly computer-gamer lifestyle or an openly stamp-collecting lifestyle.
Mayor Pete* is open about being gay. Bringing the word 'lifestyle' into it just confuses things, and could indeed be seen as bringing in all the irrelevant stuff about certain behaviors and tribes.
And actually BJ2000 wasn't the one who first linked the word 'homosexual' to the word 'lifestyle'. As soon as someone talked of the chap having an 'openly homosexual lifestyle', rather than just being open about being homosexual, then you'd already started the discussion off down that path. Almost as if setting a trap.
So I started off disapproving of BJ2000's comments but in the end I think he has a point that this is all rather nit-picking and jumping on someone for not being up-to-speed with the right language and being clumsy in making their point, especially as as far as I can see he was kind of led into that thicket by others.
* circumlocutions employed to avoid having to, for the 100th time, google how to spell that candidate's surname.
I maintain my original stance. Buttigieg is openly gay, and his lifestyle reflects that. He doesn't apologize, he's not ashamed, and he will be attacked by opponents on this topic alone. I don't even think BJ2K disagrees, the phrase definitely invoked a negative connotation for him.
I don't really know how socially-conservative the US population are. I guess that particular issue has never been tested before, I leave it to others, who are more personally familiar with the US population, to judge whether that would hurt him electorally.
For me Buttigieg (I think I can remember the spelling now) seems just a bit too bland and conservative, politically, like a younger, more mentally-with-it Biden.
Every candidate has obvious vulnerabilities in terms of what will happen in the general election, though - this seems like an unusually hard-to-call primary.
I don't remember one like this before (e.g. as I very dimly remember it, when Bill Clinton was selected, it was just a parade of anonymous suits and nobody knew much about any of them, then suddenly he emerged as the obvious front-runner, a charmer with the common-touch)
Sanders too left, too much of a cultic following (and rather old), Warren too female and too wonkishly technocratic elite, Biden too conservative and out-of-touch and even older-seeming than Sanders, Buttigieg too gay and politically inexperienced, etc etc.
But I would be shocked if the Dems go for Bloomberg - to me that would be an admission that the system was hopelessly broken - a choice between two rich old white plutocrats with history of misogyny and racism. To me he seems the worst choice of all. At least Biden has put in the hours.
PS I just think this particular little spat about language got diverted from the real issue because people got angry (understandably so). I wasn't suggesting it was a deliberate trap, but it just seemed to work out that way accidentally.